One of the thunder reporters tweeted out that Ibaka left the team plane in a walking boot and an assistant coach was holding crutchesHow is Parker's hamstring?
It's a grade 1 strain which means it's less injured than what happened to him during last year's finals when he had a grade 2 strain
I legitimately think the NBA just doesn't want me to get invested in it or take it seriously as a pro sport. I am debating if I will even bother to do so after this year. If the charade continues and the Zombies chip then I'm done for good.
I think we're past the point where the conspiracy stuff is transparently untrue.
The Knicks, Lakers and Celtics didn't even make the playoffs. Among the other big markets, Houston and Chicago, got bounced in the first round. And I don't know why the NBA would rather have Oklahoma City win that series rather than the inspiring we-banded-together-and-defeated-racism Clippers, who have two mega-marketable stars, play in a huge, glamorous market. And oh yeah, they're about to go on sale, and winning never hurts market value, the one thing owners prize above all else.
The conspiracy stuff for the most part just doesn't wash. Yeah, KD might be headed to the finals - he's also having the best season of anyone since Jordan, so so what?
And I say this as a fan of the team that got knocked out on by far the sketchiest non-call of the post season.
I disagree with that, Lebron had the better season. Anyways I remember when I believed in conspiracies and whatnot. Hilarious.
A+ Troll Effort
On a side note, I'm a big fan of putting basketball people in GM type roles. So I support the Phil hiring and the SVG hiring. But it really REALLY worries me that we keep seeing people like that EXCLUSIVELY hire people they've worked with.
Steve Kerr, now possibly Rambis (really?) or Fisher. And SVG going after Otis Smith?
Stop being lazy, cast a wide net and interview 15-20 people. It's not that hard and there's absolutely no rush!
Lastly, I know Phil took this job as a personal proving ground that "fuck analytics" and "I'm still the best in the game" and that's why he wants everything to be triangle triangle and "my guys"...but still dude. You're the coach god. Every coach would learn the triangle. Bring an experienced and super competent coach, run training camp, teach them the triangle. You're done.
WCF
LeBron 2012-2013 is pretty close to the best regular season ever. Maybe there's Jordan '91, Wilt '67, and Kareem '72 though.
Maybe Durant passes that LeBron season overall with his play in the playoffs, but I don't think he's been as good as LeBron was last postseason.
Maybe Durant passes that LeBron season overall with his play in the playoffs, but I don't think he's been as good as LeBron was last postseason.
Because his performance as the worst freethrow shooter ever made you block that out.Shaq '00 belongs on that list.
You're right, not sure how I forgot that one.
LeBron 2012-2013 is pretty close to the best regular season ever. Maybe there's Jordan '91, Wilt '67, and Kareem '72 though.
Maybe Durant passes that LeBron season overall with his play in the playoffs, but I don't think he's been as good as LeBron was last postseason.
That's just crazy talk. You're going ga-ga over his FG%. You don't get best regular season ever when you coast for half the season, which is what he did for the first half.
4-30 point games over the first 20 games.
13-30 point games over the first 40 games.
2 - Triple Doubles over the first 40 games.
7 Double Digit Assist Games over the first 40 games.
No 40 point games. And he missed 6 games during the season. Didn't even play a full 82
Lastly, the dude plays as a Power Forward. He plays a perimeter game so his 56% shooting was insane, but for an elite power forward, that's par for the course.
LeBron had a 40 point,16 assists game last seasonLeBron 2012-2013 is pretty close to the best regular season ever. Maybe there's Jordan '91, Wilt '67, and Kareem '72 though.
Maybe Durant passes that LeBron season overall with his play in the playoffs, but I don't think he's been as good as LeBron was last postseason.
That's just crazy talk. You're going ga-ga over his FG%. You don't get best regular season ever when you coast for half the season, which is what he did for the first half.
4-30 point games over the first 20 games.
13-30 point games over the first 40 games.
2 - Triple Doubles over the first 40 games.
7 Double Digit Assist Games over the first 40 games.
No 40 point games. And he missed 6 games during the season. Didn't even play a full 82
Lastly, the dude plays as a Power Forward. He plays a perimeter game so his 56% shooting was insane, but for an elite power forward, that's par for the course.
Dude put up insane numbers last season and led his team to the best record in the league and the second longest winning streak in league history.
LeBron is not a PF.
He's not, but he played as one all last season when they moved Bosh over at the 5 and put a frontcourt of Him and Battier. The same Battier who is the same height but weighs about 50 pounds less than Lebron.
Bron was been the defacto power forward in the Miami Heat "one big" lineup. Which is what they usually play
That stretch last season where he was on fire and scoring 30 a game while shooting above 60% was one of the best stretches of basketball ever. And if a season was just one month, he would have had the best season in the history of the league probably. But he still coasted through the first 40 games.
I don't give "best season of all time" award to a dude and a team that coasts for half the season, no matter how good their second half is.
it begins...LeBron 2012-2013 is pretty close to the best regular season ever. Maybe there's Jordan '91, Wilt '67, and Kareem '72 though.
Maybe Durant passes that LeBron season overall with his play in the playoffs, but I don't think he's been as good as LeBron was last postseason.
That's just crazy talk. You're going ga-ga over his FG%. You don't get best regular season ever when you coast for half the season, which is what he did for the first half.
4-30 point games over the first 20 games.
13-30 point games over the first 40 games.
2 - Triple Doubles over the first 40 games.
7 Double Digit Assist Games over the first 40 games.
No 40 point games. And he missed 6 games during the season. Didn't even play a full 82
Lastly, the dude plays as a Power Forward. He plays a perimeter game so his 56% shooting was insane, but for an elite power forward, that's par for the course.
it begins…LeBron 2012-2013 is pretty close to the best regular season ever. Maybe there's Jordan '91, Wilt '67, and Kareem '72 though.
Maybe Durant passes that LeBron season overall with his play in the playoffs, but I don't think he's been as good as LeBron was last postseason.
That's just crazy talk. You're going ga-ga over his FG%. You don't get best regular season ever when you coast for half the season, which is what he did for the first half.
4-30 point games over the first 20 games.
13-30 point games over the first 40 games.
2 - Triple Doubles over the first 40 games.
7 Double Digit Assist Games over the first 40 games.
No 40 point games. And he missed 6 games during the season. Didn't even play a full 82
Lastly, the dude plays as a Power Forward. He plays a perimeter game so his 56% shooting was insane, but for an elite power forward, that's par for the course.
Just highlighting what we all know, he coasted for about the first 40 games. But if ya'll wanna hand out "best season ever" awards for an incredible 30 game stretch, that's fine.
Just highlighting what we all know, he coasted for about the first 40 games. But if ya'll wanna hand out "best season ever" awards for an incredible 30 game stretch, that's fine.im not dispusting anything you say, just anytime you get into a statistical debate, i bring out the popcorn. <3
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2544&Season=2012-13
Such Power Forward.
Lebron 2012-13 TS%: .640
All-Star PF Blake Griffin: .572
All-Star PF LaMarcus Aldridge: .530
All-Star PF David Lee: .560
Par for the course indeed.
Such Power Forward.
Lebron 2012-13 TS%: .640
All-Star PF Blake Griffin: .572
All-Star PF LaMarcus Aldridge: .530
All-Star PF David Lee: .560
Par for the course indeed.
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2544&Season=2012-13they aren't elite enough bro /vag
Such Power Forward.
Lebron 2012-13 TS%: .640
All-Star PF Blake Griffin: .572
All-Star PF LaMarcus Aldridge: .530
All-Star PF David Lee: .560
Par for the course indeed.
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2544&Season=2012-13
Such Power Forward.
Lebron 2012-13 TS%: .640
All-Star PF Blake Griffin: .572
All-Star PF LaMarcus Aldridge: .530
All-Star PF David Lee: .560
Par for the course indeed.
I said FG%. not TS%. Stop trying to be clever. I also said:
He plays a perimeter game so his 56% shooting was insane.
The point of him playing a "perimeter game" was that he hits 3's and shoots Ft's better than most power forwards, which leads to the INSANE TS%. But a 56% FG% is par for the course for PF's.
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2544&Season=2012-13
Such Power Forward.
Lebron 2012-13 TS%: .640
All-Star PF Blake Griffin: .572
All-Star PF LaMarcus Aldridge: .530
All-Star PF David Lee: .560
Par for the course indeed.
I said FG%. not TS%. Stop trying to be clever. I also said:He plays a perimeter game so his 56% shooting was insane.
The point of him playing a "perimeter game" was that he hits 3's and shoots Ft's better than most power forwards, which leads to the INSANE TS%. But a 56% FG% is par for the course for PF's.
I don't get it, you point out how important it is to consider how Lebron gets his points and then immediately dismiss it by making a lazy out-of-context FG% comparison?
http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2544&Season=2012-13
Such Power Forward.
Lebron 2012-13 TS%: .640
All-Star PF Blake Griffin: .572
All-Star PF LaMarcus Aldridge: .530
All-Star PF David Lee: .560
Par for the course indeed.
I said FG%. not TS%. Stop trying to be clever. I also said:He plays a perimeter game so his 56% shooting was insane.
The point of him playing a "perimeter game" was that he hits 3's and shoots Ft's better than most power forwards, which leads to the INSANE TS%. But a 56% FG% is par for the course for PF's.
I don't get it, you point out how important it is to consider how Lebron gets his points and then immediately dismiss it by making a lazy out-of-context FG% comparison?
Either we're universally disregarding FG% forevermore in every single basketball discussion. Or we're not. Last I checked, it's still used. So me saying Lebron shoots 56% from the field
and that's comparable to other elite PF's BUT acknowledging that his skill set and perimeter oriented game make that number more impressive is just me stating the facts.
Homeboy taking my valid point about FG% and then switching it to TS% which everyone understands and I already implied, as If I wouldn't notice the difference is the lazy move here.
Wait, FG% is a better measure of efficiency than TS%?
When did this happen?
Really? that's what you got out of everything I said?
The slick move you just tried to pull is the basketball equivalent of:
Me: "Barack Obama lowered the deficit, Reagan raised it"
You: "Really Pfftt, look at how much more the government spends now than in the 80's"
It's related, but not what I said, and a fact I already put in as a disclaimer in the first place.
What George Said to Beal:“I told him, man, I’ve been through this four years now being in the playoffs.” George said. “I know he was worn out as well, and I just told him, man, ‘You’re gonna have to really push yourself this summer,’ you know, working on his conditioning, just for these moment when he’s gonna need that extra energy, and just relive it. Relive this whole playoff experiment going into the summer.”
Paul
;_;
you have my sword
Either we're universally disregarding FG% forevermore in every single basketball discussion. Or we're not. Last I checked, it's still used. So me saying Lebron shoots 56% from the field
and that's comparable to other elite PF's BUT acknowledging that his skill set and perimeter oriented game make that number more impressive is just me stating the facts.
Homeboy taking my valid point about FG% and then switching it to TS% which everyone understands and I already implied, as If I wouldn't notice the difference is the lazy move here.
Really? that's what you got out of everything I said?
The slick move you just tried to pull is the basketball equivalent of:
Me: "Barack Obama lowered the deficit, Reagan raised it"
You: "Really Pfftt, look at how much more the government spends now than in the 80's"
It's related, but not what I said, and a fact I already put in as a disclaimer in the first place.
Wow. the rhetorical gymnastics on display here. Nadia Comaneci-esque.
Here's a thought:
Your argument is the sole reason why TS%/eFG% statisic is created.
But obviously we don't need any nuance in a discussion about statistics.
56% is comparable to elite PFs, maybe.
how about we condense this, how many PFs have shot 56% while averaging over 20PPG?
you're being a little disingenuous when you say that it's par for course with other elite PFs. It's kinda par for course for all time great PFs.
but using FG% is pretty outdated.
how about we condense this, how many PFs have shot 56% while averaging over 20PPG?
you're being a little disingenuous when you say that it's par for course with other elite PFs. It's kinda par for course for all time great PFs.but using FG% is pretty outdated.
Either we're universally disregarding FG% forevermore in every single basketball discussion. Or we're not. Last I checked, it's still used. So me saying Lebron shoots 56% from the field
and that's comparable to other elite PF's BUT acknowledging that his skill set and perimeter oriented game make that number more impressive is just me stating the facts.
Homeboy taking my valid point about FG% and then switching it to TS% which everyone understands and I already implied, as If I wouldn't notice the difference is the lazy move here.
Really? that's what you got out of everything I said?
The slick move you just tried to pull is the basketball equivalent of:
Me: "Barack Obama lowered the deficit, Reagan raised it"
You: "Really Pfftt, look at how much more the government spends now than in the 80's"
It's related, but not what I said, and a fact I already put in as a disclaimer in the first place.
Wow. the rhetorical gymnastics on display here. Nadia Comaneci-esque.
Here's a thought:
Your argument is the sole reason why TS%/eFG% statisic is created.
But obviously we don't need any nuance in a discussion about statistics.
At this point. You have nothing to contribute. If you think your post contributed anything other than what I already implied and everyone already clearly knows regarding his "insane" efficiency. Well, yea.
Either we're universally disregarding FG% forevermore in every single basketball discussion. Or we're not. Last I checked, it's still used. So me saying Lebron shoots 56% from the field
and that's comparable to other elite PF's BUT acknowledging that his skill set and perimeter oriented game make that number more impressive is just me stating the facts.
Homeboy taking my valid point about FG% and then switching it to TS% which everyone understands and I already implied, as If I wouldn't notice the difference is the lazy move here.
Really? that's what you got out of everything I said?
The slick move you just tried to pull is the basketball equivalent of:
Me: "Barack Obama lowered the deficit, Reagan raised it"
You: "Really Pfftt, look at how much more the government spends now than in the 80's"
It's related, but not what I said, and a fact I already put in as a disclaimer in the first place.
Wow. the rhetorical gymnastics on display here. Nadia Comaneci-esque.
Here's a thought:
Your argument is the sole reason why TS%/eFG% statisic is created.
But obviously we don't need any nuance in a discussion about statistics.
At this point. You have nothing to contribute. If you think your post contributed anything other than what I already implied and everyone already clearly knows regarding his "insane" efficiency. Well, yea.
56% is comparable to elite PFs, maybe.
how about we condense this, how many PFs have shot 56% while averaging over 20PPG?
but using FG% is pretty outdated.
Good post. Getting 56% FG% is par for the course for PF's. Obviously his TS% was insane, and obviously he's an all time great. But I didn't know how few PF's hit 20 ppg at that efficiency.
Of course using efficiency to measure players before the last 5 years is disingenuous too.
At this point. You have nothing to contribute. If you think your post contributed anything other than what I already implied and everyone already clearly knows regarding his "insane" efficiency. Well, yea.
Wait why is that in air quotes? Lebron's efficiency is insane, no irony at all.
Of course using efficiency to measure players before the last 5 years is disingenuous too.
You lost me.
At this point. You have nothing to contribute. If you think your post contributed anything other than what I already implied and everyone already clearly knows regarding his "insane" efficiency. Well, yea.
Wait why is that in air quotes? Lebron's efficiency is insane, no irony at all.
I said that in my first post. Used that exact word. Not ironic, serious. Keep repeating it because homeboy over there thinks I don't understand nuances in efficiency or the difference between a center getting 56% and a perimeter oriented 3 point weapon getting that. Oh and he introduced the TS% concept to me.
Of course using efficiency to measure players before the last 5 years is disingenuous too.
You lost me.
Sports VU, Hardcore Analytics in every organization, Shot Charts widely available and a focus on efficiency across the league that no one ever cared about before. I can't blame AI or Isiah Thomas for their poor efficiency because no one cared about it back then. Their game isn't worse than Wade's, he just has a different focus and new and improved data they didn't have.
Lebron is on a team where he can take 15 shots and they still win 55 games. He's in a crappy conference, his team's defense is stifling, he has a complete offensive game and he has all this data and this level of focus on efficiency no one had before. He's the perfect candidate to pick and choose 95% of his shots based solely on whether it's an efficient shot, never hoist a 3 quarters court shot to end a quarter, almost NEVER need to go for 40 because he knows he's chasing Jordan and efficiency is where he'll beat him, not raw ppg. etc.
The idea of not taking mid range shots as a pervasive NBA philosophy is literally like 3 years old. If that. Just by never hoisting a quarter ending shot from beyond half court and taking few, if any mid range shots, your efficiency goes through the roof. But NBA teams and NBA players didn't used to play that way. Everyone thought the Kareem sky hook (contested mid range shot) and the Jordan fadeaway (contested mid range shot) were the best shots in basketball of all time. We think differently now, so measuring players efficiency post 2010-2011 ish to players before is just unfair. Like measuring longevity now with an era that included cocaine, smoking, and far worse medical understanding
And people were worried we'd have nothing to argue about during the off-season!we're going to need a mega thread for PF efficiency alone!
Sorry Thunder fans. I wanted my team to beat yours, but not with a major rotation player out
Btw, I originally came to post this. It came from a Spurs beat writer, and its why I thought Spurs/Thunder was a toss up before Ibaka. Might still be depending on how healthy Parker is.
Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN 20m
Spurs were 9-0 in last nine vs. Dallas, went seven games. Were 7-14 since 2008 vs. POR, obliterated Blazers in five.
Btw, I originally came to post this. It came from a Spurs beat writer, and its why I thought Spurs/Thunder was a toss up before Ibaka. Might still be depending on how healthy Parker is.
Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN 20m
Spurs were 9-0 in last nine vs. Dallas, went seven games. Were 7-14 since 2008 vs. POR, obliterated Blazers in five.
RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Thunder say forward Serge Ibaka is expected to miss the remainder of the 2014 postseason with a left calf injury.
Fuuuuck
Fuuuuck
We'll still give it a shot (and I think we can push it to 6 against the Spurs) but it's a massive blow.
Serge was super-important on both ends of the floor.
Serge was super-important on both ends of the floor.
I've talked about this before. But some basic numbers.
If a superstar plays 80 games in a year. Shoots 5 threes a game. Shoots it at 40%. They're 160/400 for the season.
Now if they have the ball and hoist up 40 quarter ending past half court shots instead of dribbling out the clock or letting someone else take it (that's one every two games) and make 5 of them.
They go to 165/440. All of a sudden they're 37.5% instead of 40% AND THEY MADE THE RIGHT BASKETBALL PLAY AND DIDN'T HURT THEIR TEAM IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY.
If they take one a game and make the same % - they're 170/480 or 35.4%.
But nothing AT ALL has changed, in fact, they've made better decisions and not worse ones. It also makes sense, if you're going for efficiency, to NEVER EVER take that shot. Which superstars no longer do.
So one guy can shoot 35.4% and the other guy can shoot 40% and the 35.4% guy is the better shooter and the better basketball player and helps his team more. But no way to tell. So that's one loophole in efficiency and 3 point shooting and one of the reasons so many people shoot it so much better now.
Edit: Fuck that sucks about Ibaka. Sorry Thunder fans, last couple years just not been going well.
If a superstar plays 80 games in a year. Shoots 5 threes a game. Shoots it at 40%. They're 160/400 for the season.
Now if they have the ball and hoist up 40 quarter ending past half court shots instead of dribbling out the clock or letting someone else take it (that's one every two games) and make 5 of them.
They go to 165/440. All of a sudden they're 37.5% instead of 40% AND THEY MADE THE RIGHT BASKETBALL PLAY AND DIDN'T HURT THEIR TEAM IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY.
If they take one a game and make the same % - they're 170/480 or 35.4%.
But nothing AT ALL has changed, in fact, they've made better decisions and not worse ones. It also makes sense, if you're going for efficiency, to NEVER EVER take that shot. Which superstars no longer do.
So one guy can shoot 35.4% and the other guy can shoot 40% and the 35.4% guy is the better shooter and the better basketball player and helps his team more. But no way to tell. So that's one loophole in efficiency and 3 point shooting and one of the reasons so many people shoot it so much better now.
Edit: Fuck that sucks about Ibaka. Sorry Thunder fans, last couple years just not been going well.
fucking fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
Meanwhile watch TP aggravate his injury and Manu continue to suck complete balls on his way to a matchup with the Heat.
Meanwhile watch TP aggravate his injury and Manu continue to suck complete balls on his way to a matchup with the Heat.
Ibaka done? OKC Done.
And i don't say that cause ibaka is that good. Their frontline is just that thin.
And i don't say that cause ibaka is that good. Their frontline is just that thin.
Full court shots taken by Kobe in 2006: 4
Full court shots taken by LeBron this year: 1
Those three shots change everything.
As a whole, full court shot attempts haven't gone down at all in the NBA since 2006 looking at the data on NBA.com.
Full court shots taken by LeBron this year: 1
Those three shots change everything.
As a whole, full court shot attempts haven't gone down at all in the NBA since 2006 looking at the data on NBA.com.
We'll still give it a shot (and I think we can push it to 6 against the Spurs) but it's a massive blow.
Serge was super-important on both ends of the floor.
Perry Jones to get some time at SF if Durant plays a lot PF this series?
that would be rough defensively.We'll still give it a shot (and I think we can push it to 6 against the Spurs) but it's a massive blow.
Serge was super-important on both ends of the floor.
Perry Jones to get some time at SF if Durant plays a lot PF this series?
Brooks should roll out the no fucks iso ball lineup
Reggie-Westbrook-Butler-Durant-Perkins.
I've talked about this before. But some basic numbers.
If a superstar plays 80 games in a year. Shoots 5 threes a game. Shoots it at 40%. They're 160/400 for the season.
Now if they have the ball and hoist up 40 quarter ending past half court shots instead of dribbling out the clock or letting someone else take it (that's one every two games) and make 5 of them.
They go to 165/440. All of a sudden they're 37.5% instead of 40% AND THEY MADE THE RIGHT BASKETBALL PLAY AND DIDN'T HURT THEIR TEAM IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY.
And now you know why no superstar does that. They hand it off to the 3rd option guy, who waits until the exact moment the horn goes off to let it out of his hands, just to make sure that miss won't count. Oops!
LOL watch this, NBA Game of Thrones : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St5PLcxZy44