By Crusher Go To PostInteresting that in such an evenly split market regulators seem cool with such a significant move. Doesn’t this mean Sony can do the same?Nobody was ever stopping Sony from doing whatever they want in terms of acquisitions, just their bank balance.
I don't think they have the cash for a major publisher
Nah. Sony ain't got 100 billion to spunk on 2 publishers.
MS won't stop - industry Consolidation is on the cards.
MS won't stop - industry Consolidation is on the cards.
“Fuck MS for chasing after Activision Blizzard!”
By s y Go To PostIf it goes through I imagine Sony will pull the trigger on Capcom, Square and others.“Yay! Square Enix is with Sony!”
By Not Go To PostWhy is Nintendo marketing Breath of the Wild
Why do people need tips lol ?
At this point they're promoting Tears of the Kingdom like Barbarian
It's just gonna be another Zelda game dammit. Link swings a sword and hits a Ganon
It's just gonna be another Zelda game dammit. Link swings a sword and hits a Ganon
By data Go To PostSony will fund sleeping dogs 2 believe datYou’re a terrible person, data, and should be ashamed.
By Scum Go To Post“Fuck MS for chasing after Activision Blizzard!”“Yay! Square Enix is with Sony!”Reading comprehension is hard.
By Kibner Go To PostEvenly split market? How so?
In the UK they are neck and neck.
By Lupercal Go To PostSony doesn't have the money for that though.
MS/Xbox can spend 70 Billy without blinking and without the shareholders having concerns lol.
If Sony even thought of proposing 70 billion, the shareholders would immediately halt it.
I was thinking something smaller. Capcom, Ubisoft. Even something big like T2 would be half that no?
By JesalR Go To PostNobody was ever stopping Sony from doing whatever they want in terms of acquisitions, just their bank balance.
I don't they have the cash for a major publisher
I always thought they wouldn’t because they would get blocked. They should’ve consolidated the industry when everything was cheaper and they were on top then. Short guy energy from Sony imo
By s y Go To PostIf it goes through I imagine Sony will pull the trigger on Capcom, Square and others.
I guess they could get SE, but they’re already a first/second party when it comes to their AAA stuff anyway. Capcom I highly doubt. Sony will lose any bidding war against MS and the fact that they’re first in the industry will draw a lot of scrutiny, but they won’t have the ability to punch themselves in the face explaining how bad they are like MS was able to do.
Sony doesn't need to buy any publishers really, they can just keep doing these console exclusive game deals, that they get a much better rate on than Microsoft because they sell more copies.
By Crusher Go To PostIn the UK they are neck and neck.They are not neck and neck at all. In fact, the difference is quite substantial, like 33%+ and growing now that supply constraints are over.
By Laboured Go To Postinky eatingFinally both the IP rights and the Publishing rights to Black & White* and The Movies are under the same roof again.
You have any idea what this means m9?
There's hope for wooden and me. *actually, fuck me, that's EA. Uncle Phil, buy EA next pls.
By inky Go To PostThey are not neck and neck at all. In fact, the difference is quite substantial, like 33%+ and growing now that supply constraints are over.
Oh come on, we are going by weekly sales now?
Lol @ Sony trying to buy Capcom drawing the regulators hammer. Would be insane after ABK.
MS WaRcHEsT was memed for years. It gets used, now it’s
Still weird how much of af regulators give about cloud though
Still weird how much of af regulators give about cloud though
It's not weekly sales. It's install base and total annual software sales. It's really not that close (it was during the 360 era).
The reality is that, regardless of the amount of money MS has, Sony is the overwhelming market leader globally in what they call the "high end console market" which yes, is a stupid segmentation of the market, but one that Sony themselves pushed for, not Microsoft. So if regulators are sticking to the same parameters there would be more regulatory scrutiny on Sony trying to acquire a big player than Microsoft based on that.
It's kinda like the Epic thing and Valve. Epic is more valuable than Valve because it's open to private & foreign investment, but the latter has an overwhelming position on the market. Epic can make the publisher split 88-12% to entice publishers to make their games exclusive. If Valve were to do something like that, they would probably invite all sorts of anti-trust lawsuits and regulatory scrutiny because that would make it pretty much impossible for anyone else to compete as that margin is too low to operate a store, as Epic has found out.
The reality is that, regardless of the amount of money MS has, Sony is the overwhelming market leader globally in what they call the "high end console market" which yes, is a stupid segmentation of the market, but one that Sony themselves pushed for, not Microsoft. So if regulators are sticking to the same parameters there would be more regulatory scrutiny on Sony trying to acquire a big player than Microsoft based on that.
It's kinda like the Epic thing and Valve. Epic is more valuable than Valve because it's open to private & foreign investment, but the latter has an overwhelming position on the market. Epic can make the publisher split 88-12% to entice publishers to make their games exclusive. If Valve were to do something like that, they would probably invite all sorts of anti-trust lawsuits and regulatory scrutiny because that would make it pretty much impossible for anyone else to compete as that margin is too low to operate a store, as Epic has found out.
Win/win for most consumers
We can play Diablo for free, and if you have no taste in video games you can play CoD for free. In like 3 years smart toasters are gonna have the ability to play game pass games so you don’t even need an Xbox or PC
Sony will do just fine they don’t need to buy anyone. When people stopped caring about Killzone, Resistance, etc. they put those series in the bin and moved on to other things. Now they have Horizon which is one of their biggest games and Spider-Man/Wolverine. MS out here still trying to make Fable happen and no one cares about Gears (and I like it) but they still keep trying. That’s why they get to spend 70 BILLION while being able to admit they have no idea what they’re doing so it wouldn’t be an unfair advantage
We can play Diablo for free, and if you have no taste in video games you can play CoD for free. In like 3 years smart toasters are gonna have the ability to play game pass games so you don’t even need an Xbox or PC
Sony will do just fine they don’t need to buy anyone. When people stopped caring about Killzone, Resistance, etc. they put those series in the bin and moved on to other things. Now they have Horizon which is one of their biggest games and Spider-Man/Wolverine. MS out here still trying to make Fable happen and no one cares about Gears (and I like it) but they still keep trying. That’s why they get to spend 70 BILLION while being able to admit they have no idea what they’re doing so it wouldn’t be an unfair advantage
By inky Go To PostIt's not weekly sales. It's install base and total annual software sales. It's really not that close (it was during the 360 era).
For the UK this isn’t true at all. It wasn’t for the PS4 and it won’t be for the PS5 either. Software sales maybe because Xbox people don’t buy games anymore.
Lol nah
Majority of IPs in the hands of fewer and fewer megacorps is not a win for consumers.
Consolidation has never worked out for any industry.
Majority of IPs in the hands of fewer and fewer megacorps is not a win for consumers.
Consolidation has never worked out for any industry.
if this really does just trigger Sony to buy more companies I am just gonna get a steam deck and be done with it hopefully they release a OLED model soon
By jjasper Go To Postif this really does just trigger Sony to buy more companies I am just gonna get a steam deck and be done with it hopefully they release a OLED model soonI don’t think Sony can buy anyone. Like someone said, the only reason MS can buy Activision is because Sony decided to not include Nintendo as a competitor. MS was then able to use their own logic against them
By Pho Kew Go To PostWin/win for most consumers
We can play Diablo for free, and if you have no taste in video games you can play CoD for free. In like 3 years smart toasters are gonna have the ability to play game pass games so you don’t even need an Xbox or PC
Sony will do just fine they don’t need to buy anyone. When people stopped caring about Killzone, Resistance, etc. they put those series in the bin and moved on to other things. Now they have Horizon which is one of their biggest games and Spider-Man/Wolverine. MS out here still trying to make Fable happen and no one cares about Gears (and I like it) but they still keep trying. That’s why they get to spend 70 BILLION while being able to admit they have no idea what they’re doing so it wouldn’t be an unfair advantage
The 70B wasn’t even brought up but for a split second on the shareholder call or whatever after it happened lol
The reality is Sony was fine with (and still is) throwing money around to lock away titles from other platforms under the guise of “this is normal” or “organic”, when MS wasn’t fully in on gaming as they are now. Street Fighter 5, one of the most popular franchises in the world, skipped a whole MS system, and seems to me the FGC has never recovered on Xbox because of it (slaent fighting experts except sy, correct me if I’m wrong). So sure SF6 is coming but the damage on Xbox’s platform has already been done with regard to that scene. They moneyhatted Forspoken for 2 years ffs. Just about any major AAA game they’ve partnered up with or threw money at. Warchest gets unlocked and MS goes on the offensive as a response, and now ohthatwasdifferent.jpg
Owning publishers and their IP forever = third party exclusives/timed exclusives is not the kind of take I expect here.
Most of Activision's IP was already consolidated through 3 mergers and Activision was sitting on it not doing anything. What's really the front facing IP they were putting out? If we are going by IP count, this isn't even close to giving Microsoft an IP advantage either. Embracer has bought more IP in the past few years than anyone can count, and more and more is getting developed every year.
WoW, Diablo, Overwatch, Hearthstone, Call of Duty, Candy Crush. None of this IP is being pulled from any platform it's already on, including PS for this generation.
Like, 99% of gaming IP is not some precious thing that needs to be cherished and protected. It gets exploited, run to the ground and new IP takes its place. Like Pho says, even Sony studios drop consistently successful IP in favor of new offerings because creativity and the market itself demands new things all the time.
If you ask me, Activision was incredibly overvalued already on back of a few money printing, milquetoast and broadest appeal, lowest common denominator products: CoD, Candy Crush. Is this really what we are worried about here?
WoW, Diablo, Overwatch, Hearthstone, Call of Duty, Candy Crush. None of this IP is being pulled from any platform it's already on, including PS for this generation.
Like, 99% of gaming IP is not some precious thing that needs to be cherished and protected. It gets exploited, run to the ground and new IP takes its place. Like Pho says, even Sony studios drop consistently successful IP in favor of new offerings because creativity and the market itself demands new things all the time.
If you ask me, Activision was incredibly overvalued already on back of a few money printing, milquetoast and broadest appeal, lowest common denominator products: CoD, Candy Crush. Is this really what we are worried about here?
By Crusher Go To PostOwning publishers and their IP forever = third party exclusives/timed exclusives is not the kind of take I expect here.
It’s not but if you keep buying up timed exclusivity using by using your position in the market, the user base for those titles on a competitors platform naturally dwindles or goes away. SF is back on Xbox but it and fighting games are now associated with Sony (and then bought Evo). Same happened with COD to a lesser extent, but Sony leaned on an IP they didn’t own, way too hard. Even saying the money from COD helped them make their 1P titles. Sony didn’t mention any other IP in their garbage defense but COD so stands to reason they themselves don’t care about any of the other IP being “taken away”.
You have to respect people pretending that PlayStation was the only company signing timed exclusivity deals...even the comparison of such deals with this mega acquisition is in bad faith.
People melted down over an exclusive spider-man character, yet they try to convince you that one of the wealthiest companies on the planet buying a massive third party publisher is okay because "c0mPetItiOn".
COD will 100% get pulled from competing platforms once the heat dies down and contracts expire. This is MS we are talking about.
People can pretend otherwise but this is detrimental long term and in the short term expect even more consolidation (good thing if you ask a certain fanbase that primarily benefits from it)
At least PlayStation and Nintendo gamers have had a good steady release schedule of first party titles to fall back on. MS failure to deliver was only on themselves. To be fair they have released the yearly installment of "Wait til next year" for over a decade now, so there is that.
People melted down over an exclusive spider-man character, yet they try to convince you that one of the wealthiest companies on the planet buying a massive third party publisher is okay because "c0mPetItiOn".
COD will 100% get pulled from competing platforms once the heat dies down and contracts expire. This is MS we are talking about.
People can pretend otherwise but this is detrimental long term and in the short term expect even more consolidation (good thing if you ask a certain fanbase that primarily benefits from it)
At least PlayStation and Nintendo gamers have had a good steady release schedule of first party titles to fall back on. MS failure to deliver was only on themselves. To be fair they have released the yearly installment of "Wait til next year" for over a decade now, so there is that.
Wasn't the fighting market always PS because of how bad the Xbox d-pad was?
Also, COD was DLC first on Xbox for the entire 360 generation, when that actually mattered.
Not like I give a shit, if this means I can try Diablo 4 and Phil can get someone to built me and Pho a new THPS game, I'm good until the industry drowns
Also, COD was DLC first on Xbox for the entire 360 generation, when that actually mattered.
Not like I give a shit, if this means I can try Diablo 4 and Phil can get someone to built me and Pho a new THPS game, I'm good until the industry drowns
By Eternity Go To PostCOD will 100% get pulled from competing platforms once the heat dies down and contracts expire. This is MS we are talking about.
People can pretend otherwise but this is detrimental long term and in the short term expect even more consolidation (good thing if you ask a certain fanbase that primarily benefits from it)
We’ll have the receipts pulled from sy in 10 years. Big bad Microsoft. Only thing missing from this is the $ in MS.
But also since Sony overplayed their hand and didn’t want to sign a contract that was offered to them plenty of times, it’d be their own fault if COD 25 wasn’t on the PS6
By Smokey Go To PostThe 70B wasn’t even brought up but for a split second on the shareholder call or whatever after it happened lolStreet Fighter 5 would not have been made without Sony lol. Capcom was in the GUTTER after their countless ps360 era flops, near bankruptcy. Sony had to ask them to make SF5 lmao. Even still, SF5 was the worst fighting game launch in history. Street Fighter hasn't been one of gamings most popular franchises since the 80s breh.
The reality is Sony was fine with (and still is) throwing money around to lock away titles from other platforms under the guise of “this is normal” or “organic”, when MS wasn’t fully in on gaming as they are now. Street Fighter 5, one of the most popular franchises in the world, skipped a whole MS system, and seems to me the FGC has never recovered on Xbox because of it (slaent fighting experts except sy, correct me if I’m wrong). So sure SF6 is coming but the damage on Xbox’s platform has already been done with regard to that scene. They moneyhatted Forspoken for 2 years ffs. Just about any major AAA game they’ve partnered up with or threw money at. Warchest gets unlocked and MS goes on the offensive as a response, and now ohthatwasdifferent.jpg
Xbox is dead last for fighting games because they're dead last in Japan and they've historically had awful D-Pads. Not because Poverty Fighter 5 didn't come out on Xbox.
MS did(and still does) timed exclusives. I remember the shit storm when they locked up Tomb Raider(for over 100m), Xbox got all the COD dlc before PS, etc. Sony didn't start or invent that strategy. None of that is even near equivalent to buying Activision. Microsoft shot itself with the Xbox one and they still can't turn things around after buying 20 odd studios. Microsoft's failings are nobody's fault but their own.
Why all this caping for the trillion dollar megacorp?
If/when this acquisition goes through, it only gets worse.
By s y Go To PostStreet Fighter 5 would not have been made without Sony lol. Capcom was in the GUTTER after their countless ps360 era flops, near bankruptcy. Sony had to ask them to make SF5 lmao. Even still, SF5 was the worst fighting game launch in history. Street Fighter hasn't been one of gamings most popular franchises since the 80s breh.
The next entry in one of most popular fighting series had no chance of being greenlit without Sony 💀
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By Smokey Go To PostThe next entry in one of most popular fighting series had no chance of being greenlit without Sony 💀
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And it's taken them 7 years and being sold for $10 to reach 7 million copies sold.
Oh God, how will Xbox recover???
Damn.
I want to get involved but Actiblizz has nothing I care about.
But you'd be blinkered to think a trillion dollar megacorp eating the industry is good.
Let's enjoy Diablo while we can I say.
Let's fill up on the goodness still in offer so we can watch the heat death of the gaming industry with full stomachs.
I want to get involved but Actiblizz has nothing I care about.
But you'd be blinkered to think a trillion dollar megacorp eating the industry is good.
Let's enjoy Diablo while we can I say.
Let's fill up on the goodness still in offer so we can watch the heat death of the gaming industry with full stomachs.
I will find it funny though when the US part really gets going and congress members (esp ones from washington state) getting MS donor money get involved and start going after the FTC and or sony.
By Smokey Go To PostMS WaRcHEsT was memed for years. It gets used, now it’sImagine being rich and being bad at life
Still weird how much of af regulators give about cloud though
By Eternity Go To PostThe deal will 100% go through at the FTC. The lobbying done by team green is insane.Democrats:
"Tech corporations are too big and need to be split up because they hold undue influence and power, especially after they acquired competitors"
Also, Democrats:
"Microsoft is the little guy and can't compete with Sony's high-end gaming, we should allow them to acquire companies worth 2/3rd of Sony's market cap"
By reilo Go To PostImagine being rich and being bad at lifehttps://slaent.com/thread/1532087/page/50/#p2569732
Oh Reilo. You just don't get it.
If there's anyone who's owed a divine right to compete it's 2 TRILLION DOLLAR megacorp MS.
If there's anyone who's owed a divine right to compete it's 2 TRILLION DOLLAR megacorp MS.
By Smokey Go To PostThe high end gaming that Sony defined btwInnovator in industry gets crushed by a competitor that's worth 20x more because they suck at competing
By reilo Go To PostImagine being rich and being bad at lifeYou see, you don't get it. It's all Jimbo and PlayStations fault that Xbox failed generation after generation to create a good cadence of quality releases with a steady stream of new original IPs, and that they could not manage their studios successfully is also probably Jimbos fault.
That Jimbo really is a bad man. Glad we have uncle phil to save us to be honest.