By FootbalIFan Go To PostI agree.Imo var should be removedImo football should be abolished
By Laboured Go To PostImo football's rules should be re-written by someone with a functioning prefrontal cortex.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostLooking at Scum's posts, it would be hard to tell that Spurs are actually top of their group.
By Laboured Go To PostImo football's rules should be re-written by someone with a functioning prefrontal cortex.That could also be a solution.
People used to(and still do) argue about wrong calls all the time pre-VAR.
And it's not changed. Offside var and goal line technology both fine. But I feel how penalties are randomly given or not given, red cards are given or not given, hand balls given or not given, goals disallowed due to an instance in the build up either 10 seconds ago or 2 minutes ago, is just up to the interpretation of the rules from the VAR ref.
It's the inconsistency that kills.
And that is why I'm glad for Europa league.
Yup, luckily none of that happens in the Europa League. Only sunlit uplands and objectively correct decisions from here on out.
I’d rather have the decisions be in the hands of humans who can review footage in slow motion than be at the mercy of what a single dude can see at full speed.
VAR has its faults but it’s correct far more often than it isn’t.
VAR has its faults but it’s correct far more often than it isn’t.
By Laboured Go To PostYeah but what if it affects the team you support?Yeah odd, think deeper
I don't mind VAR when the right decisions are made, but more often than not, it's the wrong decisions, and it ruins the emotions of footy imo
imo just use it for red cards
imo just use it for red cards
By Oddinho Go To PostI’d rather have the decisions be in the hands of humans who can review footage in slow motion than be at the mercy of what a single dude can see at full speed.
VAR has its faults but it’s correct far more often than it isn’t.
Absolutely. People tend to forget that it was actually even worse before, and by quite a margin as well. I can think of the first many very important times where VAR changed something for Copenhagen, both against and for, but where it was absolutely correct and would have had a big impact on the result, and probably with Chelsea as well.
Also remember some shocking decisions, especially in the Danish league. But positives really outweighs the negatives, especially now that it's rare it takes forever to review the footage.
It is annoying sometimes it stops the game for a bit. But so is players wasting time when in front by faking injuries or whatever. Get rid of that first, give yellows for that stuff, and give reds/bans to players faking head injuries.
I was pro-VAR before it was setup, but afterwards it's been nothing but extra-steps to reach the same or worse wrong decisions.
Booth refs being dumb cunts, the rules being changed every season in ridiculous ways and their inability to apply them consistently hasn't changed and just hurting the viewing experience are my main arguments to call it a mess. It's probably worse for stadium audiences too.
Booth refs being dumb cunts, the rules being changed every season in ridiculous ways and their inability to apply them consistently hasn't changed and just hurting the viewing experience are my main arguments to call it a mess. It's probably worse for stadium audiences too.
I have to say that if the rules (and all the stupid interpretations that aren't even in the rulebook - like the current handball fuckery and "oh it's not a pen because it's not enough of a foul when it's in the penalty box" etc.) don't get a thorough revision then VAR will remain problematic. I mean even the "clear and obvious error" thing was a huge red flag at the outset. "pls don't hurt the refs' feelings"
I think the “same or worse result” line of thinking is really just confirmation bias. You definitely notice the ones that stick out as wrong, but the amount of flatly incorrect decisions the ref and linesmen made every match before VAR was implemented was tragic, and the vast majority of VAR decisions are good spots. I’m in agreement with Wooden.
Not that it can’t be improved. As Horse says, the rules themselves are at fault for some of the wonky shit that happens even under VAR review.
Not that it can’t be improved. As Horse says, the rules themselves are at fault for some of the wonky shit that happens even under VAR review.
By inky Go To PostI was pro-VAR before it was setup, but afterwards it's been nothing but extra-steps to reach the same or worse wrong decisions.keep goal line tech
Booth refs being dumb cunts, the rules being changed every season in ridiculous ways and their inability to apply them consistently hasn't changed and just hurting the viewing experience are my main arguments to call it a mess. It's probably worse for stadium audiences too.
bin the rest.
Out for a work related conference for the week so I haven’t kept up. How’d the week go?
Just saw the first Bayern goal… Bellerin is something else.
Chuopu-Moting has one of the most interesting careers.
Just saw the first Bayern goal… Bellerin is something else.
Chuopu-Moting has one of the most interesting careers.
VAR is excellent. Seems aa bit arbitrary when they decide to use it, but when they do it is pretty accurate.
I said we should have just played on without it against Leeds, but in the end it awarded them a penalty and also a red and penalty overturned for us. Those were pretty huge moments in the game.
I said we should have just played on without it against Leeds, but in the end it awarded them a penalty and also a red and penalty overturned for us. Those were pretty huge moments in the game.
I like VAR when it’s in favor of Arsenal and I hate it when it’s not.
I don't understand why it’s so difficult to have consistent decisions.
I don't understand why it’s so difficult to have consistent decisions.
By LFMartins86 Go To PostUnbelievable Jeff
By Plasma Go To PostThis is the worst aspect of for sure. Abolish VAR
People shouldn’t take anything managers say seriously. They’re just doing the bare minimum fulfilling their media duties
By LFMartins86 Go To PostI am in Lisbon on the day of the match against Frankfurt, booked my trip for the day and had to pay around 100€ more for that, club decided to only sell tickets for club members, something they never did in the previous Champions League matches…It's because of Frankfurt's fans last year in the EL. We had the same for our game the other week, the only matchday where the resale tickets could only go to members. Hopefully you can find someone with a spare membership
By Batong Go To PostI for one trust all the managers in expressing their true intentions.
By LFMartins86 Go To Post
People still crying about that correct decision in that thread 💀
Sometimes it feels like they’re just looking for any reason to disallow a goal. Imagine some of the great goals we’d have missed out on from our childhoods for a foul 45 seconds before in the build up. Or a millimetre offside.
VAR is not the problem. The problems are:
a) some of the laws make zero sense
b) those laws are applied inconsistently
c) referees are terrified of admitting mistakes so they often use VAR to suppress that rather than act in the name of clarity
a) some of the laws make zero sense
b) those laws are applied inconsistently
c) referees are terrified of admitting mistakes so they often use VAR to suppress that rather than act in the name of clarity
By n8 dogg Go To PostVAR is not the problem. The problems are:Yeah exactly, it's not the var itself it's the inconsistency that the rules cause that's annoying.
a) some of the laws make zero sense
b) those laws are applied inconsistently
c) referees are terrified of admitting mistakes so they often use VAR to suppress that rather than act in the name of clarity
The problem is that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it is VAR or an on field ref, it is still humans making subjective decisions based on the evidence they have. Technology works great for the objective things, goal line tech is perfect, automated offside seems to work very well (at applying the binary law, which i personally don't like).
But VAR is still just people. They have the benefit of leveraging tech to view incidents multiple times and from multiple angles but they are still subjective decisions, that's where the inconsistency stems from. That won't change either, I don't think there's a way to write a lot of the laws to be objective, then you end up with "if the ball touches an arm at all it is a foul", which is a terrible solution.
I still think the best idea is to timebox things. If something has to go to VAR (and I would reduce the things that do go to VAR), they should be given some short timeframe to make a decision, if they can in a short space of time it implies an obvious error. If not the original decision of the on field ref stands. Yes you'll get wrong decisions occasionally, but that to me is unavoidable. It has to be accepted that VAR is going to get things wrong, but the flow of the game doesn't need to suffer in the pursuit of the right decision, because there are times when there probably isn't one.
But VAR is still just people. They have the benefit of leveraging tech to view incidents multiple times and from multiple angles but they are still subjective decisions, that's where the inconsistency stems from. That won't change either, I don't think there's a way to write a lot of the laws to be objective, then you end up with "if the ball touches an arm at all it is a foul", which is a terrible solution.
I still think the best idea is to timebox things. If something has to go to VAR (and I would reduce the things that do go to VAR), they should be given some short timeframe to make a decision, if they can in a short space of time it implies an obvious error. If not the original decision of the on field ref stands. Yes you'll get wrong decisions occasionally, but that to me is unavoidable. It has to be accepted that VAR is going to get things wrong, but the flow of the game doesn't need to suffer in the pursuit of the right decision, because there are times when there probably isn't one.
why don't you mfers LEARN? it's too soon for enzo.
it was too soon for renato, it was too soon for felix. too soon for darling. too soon for markovic. the reason why rúben, cancelo and bernardo are at the level they are is they arrived in the epl with experience. rúben was here for 3 years. bernardo was in monaco for a couple of years or whatever. cancelo was nowhere near the player he has become in valencia.
be patient. you'll ruin enzo, take him in a couple of years. chill the fuck out. enzo is 21.
it was too soon for renato, it was too soon for felix. too soon for darling. too soon for markovic. the reason why rúben, cancelo and bernardo are at the level they are is they arrived in the epl with experience. rúben was here for 3 years. bernardo was in monaco for a couple of years or whatever. cancelo was nowhere near the player he has become in valencia.
be patient. you'll ruin enzo, take him in a couple of years. chill the fuck out. enzo is 21.
speaking of felix, damn I hope we can get a loan in january. the boy needs some love and his confidence back. patetico are just destroying their investment.
plus he clearly wants to come back.
we can fix him and rebuild him. he needs to be close to his younger brother. this is the way it must be.
may allah guide us on our way.
plus he clearly wants to come back.
we can fix him and rebuild him. he needs to be close to his younger brother. this is the way it must be.
may allah guide us on our way.