Russell isn't falling beyond Philly. They seem to be in love with the kid. No situation leaves Russ on the board at 4. It's more likely LA reaches on Mudiay or Russ and that Okafor falls to 4th.
It's Mudiay/Winslow/Mario/Kristaps
I think Winslow is worth talking about, then you can run Melo at the 4.
It's Mudiay/Winslow/Mario/Kristaps
I think Winslow is worth talking about, then you can run Melo at the 4.
I'd honestly see if Sacramento wants Randle + the 27th for the 6th pick.
WCS+Okafor intrigues me, and of course WCS+Towns would be legit.
WCS+Okafor intrigues me, and of course WCS+Towns would be legit.
Kings FO has done some dumb shit and as much as I think Randle can develop into a legit big man in this league, no way a swap like that ever happens.
The nice part about the Kings getting fucked over yet again from moving up in the draft (we've kept our lottery position of anywhere between the 4-15 spot 9 times and moved down 1-3 spots 10 times over the past 26 years) is that at #6 this year, it's very hard to fuck up the pick. Almost no chance we draft another guard. WCS or Winslow are the best, easiest and safest picks.
Tables will be flipped if I hear the name "Porzingis" when the Kings are on the clock on draft day.
The nice part about the Kings getting fucked over yet again from moving up in the draft (we've kept our lottery position of anywhere between the 4-15 spot 9 times and moved down 1-3 spots 10 times over the past 26 years) is that at #6 this year, it's very hard to fuck up the pick. Almost no chance we draft another guard. WCS or Winslow are the best, easiest and safest picks.
Tables will be flipped if I hear the name "Porzingis" when the Kings are on the clock on draft day.
By SamuraiX- Go To PostKings FO has done some dumb shit and as much as I think Randle can develop into a legit big man in this league, no way a swap like that ever happens.
The nice part about the Kings getting fucked over yet again from moving up in the draft (we've kept our lottery position of anywhere between the 4-15 spot 9 times and moved down 1-3 spots 10 times over the past 26 years) is that at #6 this year, it's very hard to fuck up the pick. Almost no chance we draft another guard. WCS or Winslow are the best, easiest and safest picks.
Tables will be flipped if I hear the name "Porzingis" when the Kings are on the clock on draft day.
The Kings shouldn't draft WCS, he don't compliment DMC. Porzingis/Winslow and Mario would be better fit.
By KumaJG Go To PostThe Kings shouldn't draft WCS, he don't compliment DMC. Porzingis/Winslow and Mario would be better fit.
I'm sorry but where the hell does his nonsense come from? WCS gives the Kings the rim protection that nobody else had been able to provide since we drafted DMC. He gives the team a center that can actually defend the PNR, rotate on defense, and disrupt any penetration in the paint.
But no, you're totally right, let's instead draft a soft, tweener Euroslav Jumpshootacic.
By SamuraiX- Go To PostI'm sorry but where the hell does his nonsense come from? WCS gives the Kings the rim protection that nobody else had been able to provide since we drafted DMC. He gives the team a center that can actually defend the PNR, rotate on defense, and disrupt any penetration in the paint.
But no, you're totally right, let's instead draft a soft, tweener Euroslav Jumpshootacic.
lol fuking do it then
see what happens
By SamuraiX- Go To PostI'm sorry but where the hell does his nonsense come from? WCS gives the Kings the rim protection that nobody else had been able to provide since we drafted DMC. He gives the team a center that can actually defend the PNR, rotate on defense, and disrupt any penetration in the paint.
But no, you're totally right, let's instead draft a soft, tweener Euroslav Jumpshootacic.
WCS not a threat a offense which is needed for a player like DMC. If you looking for defense then the Kings are better off filling that role by drafting Winslow, Mudiay or Stanley Johnson.
If WCS becomes a lob threat, then that helps DMC. It's impossible for him to develop a mid range jumper either.
Cousins needs a floor space on offense, but someone to help him on defense so he's not the rim protector, post defender, pick n roll guy, and primary rebounder all at once. It's rare to get both the offensive and defensive element, and if the Kings really struggled on one end as opposed to the other, then it was on defense. The defense fell off when Malone was axed, and fell off the entire season when Cousins/Collison were not on the floor.
If McLemore/Stauskas were more reliable from range then it would help a lot. Ball movement would help a lot as well. You need a decent passer at PF/C along Cousins as much as you need a shooting threat. One of the team's offensive struggles was that they never got a decent High/Low game going because Landry and Thompson are not ideal high post passers. So they'd inverse and make Cousins the high post passer. You do that with a lob target rather than a 6'5 PF? It's more of a threat.
Cousins needs a floor space on offense, but someone to help him on defense so he's not the rim protector, post defender, pick n roll guy, and primary rebounder all at once. It's rare to get both the offensive and defensive element, and if the Kings really struggled on one end as opposed to the other, then it was on defense. The defense fell off when Malone was axed, and fell off the entire season when Cousins/Collison were not on the floor.
If McLemore/Stauskas were more reliable from range then it would help a lot. Ball movement would help a lot as well. You need a decent passer at PF/C along Cousins as much as you need a shooting threat. One of the team's offensive struggles was that they never got a decent High/Low game going because Landry and Thompson are not ideal high post passers. So they'd inverse and make Cousins the high post passer. You do that with a lob target rather than a 6'5 PF? It's more of a threat.
As a resident nearby Orlando...can I chime in on this pick too? We only have one other Orlando bruh here.
You can give you opinion on every pick but Red Blaster is getting final say.
Pistons/Pacers/Bucks are the only teams without representation here I think, you can hash that out with Blackace.
Pistons/Pacers/Bucks are the only teams without representation here I think, you can hash that out with Blackace.
Knicks-Age picked the least triangle ready player in the entire damn draft?
Phil ain't swerving off that shit. Dude has more faith in the system than Thibs does in Noah's knees.
You pick Mario or package the pick for Marc Gasol. Everything else is silly assuming Towns/Okafor/Russell are off the board.
Phil ain't swerving off that shit. Dude has more faith in the system than Thibs does in Noah's knees.
You pick Mario or package the pick for Marc Gasol. Everything else is silly assuming Towns/Okafor/Russell are off the board.
By Vahagn Go To PostKnicks-Age picked the least triangle ready player in the entire damn draft?
Phil ain't swerving off that shit. Dude has more faith in the system than Thibs does in Noah's knees.
You pick Mario or package the pick for Marc Gasol. Everything else is silly assuming Towns/Okafor/Russell are off the board.
I think Phil is moving down myself based on the rumors and the fact the knicks actually have team infrastructure to get a bunch of young guys ( they own a D league team, hired a bunch of the Thunder developmental coaches, every trade Phil's has made involves the knicks getting picks) but trading down requires them to take mudiay at #4 so fuck it.....
Then again if we waited until the workouts were done maybe we would have a real clue....
By Moris Go To PostKnicks-Slaent still acting like they aren't just gonna end up picking Mudiay.I'm terrified that we wont.
Edit:Oh you mean us not the team.
And someone needs to explain how Mudiay doesn't fit the triangle. Cause he apparently can't shoot? Ron Harper couldn't shoot but Jackson managed to start him on a championship team. Mudiay is a large point with a post game, I'm sure they could work him into some triangle stuff pretty easily. If not they can just work in a bunch of pnr stuff like Jackson did for Kobe/Pau and like they tried to do with Larkin/Shved at the end of this season. Jackson's triangle has been successful with lots of different types of players so I don't really get it. Screw drafting for system get the best player, if you can't make it work then you need to tweak the system.
If Phil/Fish are going to be stubborn and insist on using the triangle, you draft for the triangle. It won him 11 rings, I don't see him changing his philosophy. There's no point in drafting someone who wouldn't fit just because he was the best player available. All you're accomplishing is making your team worse and ruining a young man's career like so many other rookies that go into shitty situations.
oh and as for Ron Harper, that team also had someone by the name of Michael Jordan who could pretty much score whenever he want. As for the Knocks, they don't.
oh and as for Ron Harper, that team also had someone by the name of Michael Jordan who could pretty much score whenever he want. As for the Knocks, they don't.
By masud Go To PostScrew drafting for system get the best player, if you can't make it work then you need to tweak the system.
man they were asking kids "what do you know about the triangle offense?" at the combine.
By Moris Go To PostDraft Express dropped Mudiay from 4th to 6th it's now
Towns
Okafor
Russell
Winslow
WCS
Mudiay
This draft is so good, love that top 5.
Eric Pincus has been calling WCS to NY for a week or so now. Believed Mudiay being such an unknown/not being able to blow minds at workout would eventually drop him from the top 4/5 and if Phil has to pick a defensive specialist he'd go for the 7 footer 10 times out of 10.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Postman they were asking kids "what do you know about the triangle offense?" at the combine.and that's trifling as fuck
or phil and fish are straight up robbing dolan's dumbass
WCS to Orlando? I would think they want to get a SF who could shoot well since they need shooting and probably are going to lose Tobias
By DY_nasty Go To Postand that's trifling as fuck
or phil and fish are straight up robbing dolan's dumbass
how is that trifling?
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Posthow is that trifling?the triangle isnt so good that it won rings without some of the best players to ever suit up behind it. draft the bpa and adapt
By DY_nasty Go To Postthe triangle isnt so good that it won rings without some of the best players to ever suit up behind it. draft the bpa and adapt
So your saying Phil needs to scrap the system he won 11 championships with for the BPA at #4 in the 2015 draft before he even knew he was going to get #4 in the 2015 draft?
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostSo your saying Phil needs to scrap the system he won 11 championships with for the BPA at #4 in the 2015 draft before he even knew he was going to get #4 in the 2015 draft?phil didn't win those championships with role players and system guys. he won em with some of the best players ever - and they were all great with and without the triangle
drafting for a system fit when you just had the worst record in the league is moronic
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostSo your saying Phil needs to scrap the system he won 11 championships with for the BPA at #4 in the 2015 draft before he even knew he was going to get #4 in the 2015 draft?
Kobe Shaq MJ Pip none of them knew how to play the triangle... so why would it matter? lol
By DY_nasty Go To Postphil didn't win those championships with role players and system guys. he won em with some of the best players ever - and they were all great with and without the triangle
drafting for a system fit when you just had the worst record in the league is moronic
The triangle needs talent, every system does, but if you run a system and get players who don't work in that system your shooting yourself in the foot. Anyhow this conversation is pointless Mudiay hasn't worked out for anyone at all. He might come out with a decent shot and then get drafted by the knicks. We won't know until after the workouts....
By DY_nasty Go To Postfuck a system man lol
thats why your team stays in the lottery
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Postthats why your team stays in the lotterylike you didn't just go through this exact same shit with larry brown lmao
yal abused as fuck. phil robbing dolan and the people with a smile on his face and yal couldn't be happier
It wasn't the triangle that wont those championships it was Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe and Pau. All very different players that Phil adapted that system to. Historically the triangle hasn't done shit without really good players so bpa should be the priority.
By DY_nasty Go To Postlike you didn't just go through this exact same shit with larry brown lmao
yal abused as fuck. phil robbing dolan and the people with a smile on his face and yal couldn't be happier
your going to bring up Larry Brown when your team brought him after the knicks because he was a basement bargain.
Anyhow whats the hornets draft strategy? Get a guy who can't shoot.... again
By masud Go To PostIt wasn't the triangle that wont those championships it was Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe and Pau. All very different players that Phil adapted that system to. Historically the triangle hasn't done shit without really good players so bpa should be the priority.
Jordan and Kobe fit in the triangle about the same.
the real odd thing was how well Shaq fit
By Kuma Go To PostWCS not a threat a offense which is needed for a player like DMC. If you looking for defense then the Kings are better off filling that role by drafting Winslow, Mudiay or Stanley Johnson.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hE8EazdRScM
Yup. I'm with eti this year.
WCS at #6.
Yo, #fuckthemagic for real if they fuck us on this. Ya'll motherfuckers have Aaron Gordon and Vucevic. Live with it, bitches.
By DY_nasty Go To Postphil didn't win those championships with role players and system guys. he won em with some of the best players ever - and they were all great with and without the triangle
drafting for a system fit when you just had the worst record in the league is moronic
This would be true, if it wasn't absurdly false. Yea they were great players, but they weren't championship teams. Except for the fact that none of them save Shaq once chipped without the Triangle. There's always tons of talk of how bad piss poor talent teams do with the triangle. But never talk about how those "all time greats" never won without it.
He's got 11 rings with that talent. That talent has 1 ring without him. Take off your glasses and appreciate the system, son.
In any case, it's a damn moot point. If you don't want the Triangle in NY, Fire Phil and Fish. But having them on and then bitching they're running the Triangle is like hiring D'Antoni and then bitching your team doesn't post up enough.
By masud Go To PostIt wasn't the triangle that wont those championships it was Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe and Pau. All very different players that Phil adapted that system to. Historically the triangle hasn't done shit without really good players so bpa should be the priority.
Historically no system has done shit without really good Players. Pop tanked his way to the damn 1st pick when Robinson was out. Riley won like 20 games with Shaq and Wade out. D'Antoni underachieved in every year post Phx.
11 chips with those guys. Those guys win 1 chip without him. But stay talking about Kurt Rambis' shitting coach/talent level. (Btw, Adelman, Flip haven't done shit with better talent either)
I don't even know how Dekker fits at all on our team, lol.
Fourth wing getting 12 MPG behind Hayward? Stanley Johnson makes sense in that he could backup Hayward and Favors.
Frank is a possibility though...
But Chad Ford has the Jazz getting Myles Turner in this week's mock :D.
Fourth wing getting 12 MPG behind Hayward? Stanley Johnson makes sense in that he could backup Hayward and Favors.
Frank is a possibility though...
But Chad Ford has the Jazz getting Myles Turner in this week's mock :D.
