By reilo Go To PostSign and trades are so hyper rare, to begin withWhat? No they're not, what's rare is a player making it to free agency as a UFA (this usually only happens with breakout 2nd round picks like Brunson). But if they do make it to free agency and end up on another team it's almost always via a sign and trade.
Plus the Knicks don't even have to work with Dallas they could use the same assets to dump 2 of Rose Noel Burks and just sign him outright. I was just trying to be nice...
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostMavs need a two way center but tbh there aren't many around these days.A double sign and trade of Brunson for Mitchell Robinson would be interesting but I don't know how that would/could work with the salaries.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostMavs need a two way center but tbh there aren't many around these days.I can't think of a time where they were common. Even in the big man glory days of the late 80s and early 90s, there were just a handful of them and then a bunch of stiffs to try to slow them down.
Phase by two way do you mean can catch lobs and offensive rebound? Cause if not those guys get paid 20 mill plus and the Mavs have that money earmarked for Davis Bertans...
By masud Go To PostWhat? No they're not, what's rare is a player making it to free agency as a UFA (this usually only happens with breakout 2nd round picks like Brunson). But if they do make it to free agency and end up on another team it's almost always via a sign and trade.They're super rare, what are you on about? There's like 1, maybe 2, sign and trades per off-season, and none as recently as 2018.
Yes but in the situation that Brunson is currently in they are not rare at all, the situation is what's rare. Even if he doesn't go to the Knicks if Brunson is not on the Mavs next season it's going to be because a sign and trade was done.
What's most likely going to happen is that Dallas signs Brunson and then trades him later. In exchange for something from the Knicks? There's no way Dallas would take a deal centered around Mitchell Robinson -- $1.8mil/yr -- and take on Fournier or Rose/Noel/Burks and other trash to fill out the contracts to match Brunson's $20-25mil/yr.
All of those Knicks guys have negative value these days and become much more difficult for Mavs to move over Brunson's single contract for a better package.
All of those Knicks guys have negative value these days and become much more difficult for Mavs to move over Brunson's single contract for a better package.
By reilo Go To PostThey're super rare, what are you on about? There's like 1, maybe 2, sign and trades per off-season, and none as recently as 2018.Lonzo was a SnT, iirc. It is rare, though, ever since they changed how they worked on the last CBA.
By reilo Go To PostWhat's most likely going to happen is that Dallas signs Brunson and then trades him later. In exchange for something from the Knicks? There's no way Dallas would take a deal centered around Mitchell Robinson – $1.8mil/yr – and take on Fournier or Rose/Noel/Burks and other trash to fill out the contracts to match Brunson's $20-25mil/yr.Robinsons a UFA too, he's not making 1.8 mil next year, that would have to be a double sign and trade which (like I said) I'm not even sure would be possible with the contracts theyre likely to get. No the sign and trade would be for 2 of Rose, Noel, Burks (all useful players on expiring contracts with team options for a possible 2nd year) and draft compensation.
All of those Knicks guys have negative value these days and become much more difficult for Mavs to move over Brunson's single contract for a better package.
By Kibner Go To PostLonzo was a SnT, iirc. It is rare, though, ever since they changed how they worked on the last CBA.The Knicks did a sign and trade for Fournier too. I think they are going to be more common since teams are no longer hording capspace for free agency.
I said that double sign and trade would be interesting in response to Phaze saying the Mavs need a center and then said I didn't even know if it would be possible. Jfc is right...
By Kibner Go To PostLonzo was a SnT, iirc. It is rare, though, ever since they changed how they worked on the last CBA.I think both Hayward and Rozier were too
By Kibner Go To PostLonzo was a SnT, iirc. It is rare, though, ever since they changed how they worked on the last CBA.
Think Lowry was too
Don't think the Mavs let Brunson go. They've finally got a piece outside Luka that has value. Even if they want to trade him, they're going to want a genuine piece back.
The Mavs don't have a choice, they don't "have him" hes unrestricted. They could blow him away with a crazy contract (which would be dumb) but even then he could just leave.
Like if he wants to go to the Knicks the package they offer might not be enough for the Mavs in a normal trade but it would be enough to clear the cap space it would take to sign him outright. They'd have to take it at that point.
Like if he wants to go to the Knicks the package they offer might not be enough for the Mavs in a normal trade but it would be enough to clear the cap space it would take to sign him outright. They'd have to take it at that point.
By masud Go To PostThe Mavs don't have a choice, they don't "have him" hes unrestricted. They could blow him away with a crazy contract (which would be dumb) but even then he could just leave.Of course. All that's possible. And this could be the most he's desired in his entire life. his one big contract where he makes $100m.
Has going all in on a guy who has had one playoff break out, ever really worked out well? Can't think of many.
The Mavs cap sheet is hell. They're gonna waste Lukas rookie extension years. They better hope he likes BBQ...
Brunson has a lot of ties to the Knicks and New York and the Knicks actually have a decent record of attracting non top tier free agents especially for a team thats never good. So we'll just have to wait and see...
edit: he should be suspended for as long as GP is out.
edit: he should be suspended for as long as GP is out.
By reilo Go To PostNot surprising. Also saw a golden state fan asking if they can appeal it so he has to play lol.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostMavs need a two way center but tbh there aren't many around these days.Those are like unicorns these days
By masud Go To PostBrunson has a lot of ties to the Knicks and New York and the Knicks actually have a decent record of attracting non top tier free agents especially for a team thats never good. So we'll just have to wait and see…
Because they always want to be seen as a FA destination so overpay for guys they shouldn't.
By giririsss Go To PostBecause they always want to be seen as a FA destination so overpay for guys they shouldn't.Eh many teams overpay guys. No I think the allure of New York and being "the guy" there plays a role, a bad Cavs team isn't signing a Marcus Morris for example. To be clear I think this is a bad thing for the Knicks. Since they're always able to cobble together the 20th best team in the league via free agency they rarely get to pick at the top of the draft. A bad small market team has no choice but to stay in that top 5 lottery range until they draft themselves out of it.
By reilo Go To PostGood. I'm actually surprised the league did it tbh
I don't think Brooks is true scumbag. The moment in his head probably got bigger than he realized, but you have to make guys hold suspensions over that kind of shit. Really big gap between recklessness and deliberate.
By DY_nasty Go To PostGood. I'm actually surprised the league did it tbhBasically. Think kerr said it? Dont think brooks is a dirty player, but that was a dirty play. Hopefully doesn't turn into a trend for him.
I don't think Brooks is true scumbag. The moment in his head probably got bigger than he realized, but you have to make guys hold suspensions over that kind of shit. Really big gap between recklessness and deliberate.
By giririsss Go To PostBasically. Think kerr said it? Dont think brooks is a dirty player, but that was a dirty play. Hopefully doesn't turn into a trend for him.Kerr said he was breaking a code and some pretty hypocritical stuff considering some of the stuff that has happened under his watch but whatever he was taking up for an injured player.
Calling it dirty depends on your definition of dirty. I think it was more reckless, dangerous, and under the circumstances completely unnecessary than “dirty.” The truth is Dillon is a moron, aggressive, and overestimates his abilities. All of which lead to the play
clubbing someone on the head (that damn sure wasnt a basketball play) in a vulnerable position like that is about as dirty as it gets. He is officially a dirty player to me now
If that happened to Ja y’all would be ready to file assault charges
If that happened to Ja y’all would be ready to file assault charges
I would want someone suspended for sure. Boo the shit out of him, would be at the top of my hate list and would be worried every time we played the team. I would be hesitant to label someone a dirty player. Especially if they had never been involved in something before. Really I think most players more reckless than dirty. Dirty I think of purposely trying to take someone out. Some people might have a different definition but I just have a hard time thinking there are many players in the nba that are actually dirty with malice maybe I am naive.
But really I have no time for someone to be lecturing from some moral high ground like Kerr did considering some of the shit I have seen Draymond do.
But really I have no time for someone to be lecturing from some moral high ground like Kerr did considering some of the shit I have seen Draymond do.
By domino Go To Postclubbing someone on the head (that damn sure wasnt a basketball play) in a vulnerable position like that is about as dirty as it gets. He is officially a dirty player to me nowYou ain't wrong. He's on the list for the next 5 years. Hope he finds his way off
If that happened to Ja y’all would be ready to file assault charges
By DY_nasty Go To PostYou ain't wrong. He's on the list for the next 5 years. Hope he finds his way offIn 5 years the man will be in China and no one will remember
By DY_nasty Go To PostYou ain't wrong. He's on the list for the next 5 years. Hope he finds his way off
Never give a lightskin dude with that haircut the benefit of the doubt, I say that as a lightskin person.
By jjasper Go To PostNot surprising. Also saw a golden state fan asking if they can appeal it so he has to play lol.
Those are like unicorns these days
By Burt The Samurai Go To Postn8 don't put out this violent energy
it will back in the form of knee and achilles injuries.
I'm telling you as a master if the dark arts.
Dark side energy has benefits bust also goddamned huge consequences
Also once again way behind on this thread
Players from the bench have never otherwise been on the floor during actual gameplay, we can all agree on this. Not once. Not even one damn time.
Except for every game that has ever been played.
Except for every game that has ever been played.
