we played with chaos agent tavares 90 minutes
elneny-xhaka midfield
if we clank our way to the cl with these injuries ill be extremely happy, we can get a couple midfielders in summer so if partey gets injured again the drop in quality won't be that much
elneny-xhaka midfield
if we clank our way to the cl with these injuries ill be extremely happy, we can get a couple midfielders in summer so if partey gets injured again the drop in quality won't be that much
I would like to apologise to the Arsenal fans on Slaent for shitting on their parade. Beating this United side is truly a momentous occasion and should be celebrated for the incredible feat that it is.
Also our U18s are playing two games in less than 24hrs. Good to see the unhealthy amount and frequency of games is making its way down to the youth levels
Also our U18s are playing two games in less than 24hrs. Good to see the unhealthy amount and frequency of games is making its way down to the youth levels
By Scum Go To PostPray for Horse.Nah, got himself to blame for all the Sancho spam.
By n8 dogg Go To PostMou was a miserable fucking cunt who only cared about his own legacy.
Will just prepping himself for the inevitable return of Bobby’s most loyal Wormtail to St James
I'm being flippant. That said I do think it....explains Mou's attitude at United more. If anything his tenure was the most reflective of the actual state of the club, much better than Ole smiling over it
By Burt The Samurai Go To Postno pity for horseAgreed
he deserves every miserable man red thing that happens
You all make me regret every moment I choose not to be more insufferable. Not a mistake I intend to make in future.
By Willkiller Go To PostI'm being flippant. That said I do think it….explains Mou's attitude at United more. If anything his tenure was the most reflective of the actual state of the club, much better than Ole smiling over itYeah, it's not that he was wrong.
It's that it was mostly to clear his own ass despite the fact he started the trend of buying players in their 30s.
By Daz Go To PostYeah, it's not that he was wrong.
It's that it was mostly to clear his own ass despite the fact he started the trend of buying players in their 30s.
He literally signed one player in their 30s. Zlatan.
By Willkiller Go To PostHe literally signed one player in their 30s. Zlatan.That was the start innit.
Just ignore Schweinsteiger
By Willkiller Go To PostHe literally signed one player in their 30s. Zlatan.Lee Grant m8
By Daz Go To PostMatic turned 30 like ten days later.Matic signed when he was 28.
By Daz Go To PostMatic turned 30 like ten days later.
Wanted Perisic at 29 as well.
Well he didn’t.
And we’re moving the goalposts to players he wanted? Ole signed way more players over 30.
Pls.
Mourinho's United was consistently the best iteration of the club in the post-Fergie era. Mourinho was an annoying wanker like always sure, but how is that different than the way Fergie behaved. Or Moyes, or LVG, or Ole, etc.
By maxpower Go To PostDoesn't bode well if ETH thinks De Gea is a problem.De Gea is a problem. His distribution is poor, he's crap with the ball at his feet, and he's a keeper in his 30s who relies heavily on his reactions to make up for his less than stellar positioning and reluctance to come off his line, reactions that will only get slow.
But his position isn't a priority due to our atrocious mid and defence so we can deal with that later.
By maxpower Go To PostDoesn't bode well if ETH thinks De Gea is a problem.
He is. Can’t play out from the back, and is fixed to his six yard line which invites pressure on our defence and CMs.
By n8 dogg Go To PostBecause Mourinho cares about one thing, and one thing only: Mourinho.I don't know man, I'm pretty sure that's exactly how other managers and players look at it too. These people are all out for a good salary and do it by performing well at football. Perhaps they "care" about the club, but only really to the extent that it matches their own personal ambition and interests. I couldn't care less if a player has some weird devotion to what is essentially their employer.
Manchester United specifically at this point is a corporate, commercial product that's been hollowed and transformed out by the current owners and even above that, by forces stronger than it such as how the game itself changed and morphed into this monstrosity in the last 15-20 years. We can discuss if that is good or bad all day, but I reckon it's more important to re-calibrate your own views and relationship with the club and perhaps would enjoy the games more too.
Just my thoughts though, pls don't hate me
By Willkiller Go To PostWell he didn’t.Not moving the goal post, and I never mentioned Ole.
And we’re moving the goalposts to players he wanted? Ole signed way more players over 30.
Pls.
It is on record that I was one of the first Ole outers. I think he did more damage than Mou in many respects.
The original point I was rebutting was the idea of Mou criticising the club out of anything other a self-preservating vain glorious facade.
Ralf can offer long term frameworks and solutions, that's his thing. Mou be like get me nearly 30s to win some cups before set this whole thing ablaze and quit or get sacked.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostMatic signed when he was 28.I use the Korean ageing method.
By Daz Go To PostI use the Korean ageing method.He still wouldn’t have been 10 days away.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostI don't know man, I'm pretty sure that's exactly how other managers and players look at it too. These people are all out for a good salary and do it by performing well at football. Perhaps they "care" about the club, but only really to the extent that it matches their own personal ambition and interests. I couldn't care less if a player has some weird devotion to what is essentially their employer.
Manchester United specifically at this point is a corporate, commercial product that's been hollowed and transformed out by the current owners and even above that, by forces stronger than it such as how the game itself changed and morphed into this monstrosity in the last 15-20 years. We can discuss if that is good or bad all day, but I reckon it's more important to re-calibrate your own views and relationship with the club and perhaps would enjoy the games more too.
Just my thoughts though, pls don't hate me
I think Mourinho has a duty of care to his employers, his players, the youth teams, the fans, whoever else. Of course football is a business, but it doesn’t mean you treat it like every other business: you don’t have millions of people celebrating and/or commiserating when one pizza joint makes more money than the other. You be cognisant of the fact that it’s primarily about having fun and making people’s weekends memorable, and picking fights with players, making everyone who works for you hate you and playing rank, dull football is not the way to do that.
The majority of Rangnick’s ire has been aimed at the powers above him; why wouldn’t one respond to rebellious spirit? Mourinho wasn’t happy with Woodward or the Glazers, but would have rather played mind games and dropped subtle comments which cast him as the one true genius rather than call them out directly.
I don’t need every player to care about United above all else. I do want them to recognise that it isn’t just them who suffers when the team loses or plays poorly. There’s too many in that dressing room who think only about themselves, and they have to recognise they are in a profession where that isn’t possible, no matter how commodified and commercialised it’s become.
By n8 dogg Go To PostI think Mourinho has a duty of care to his employers, his players, the youth teams, the fans, whoever else. Of course football is a business, but it doesn’t mean you treat it like every other business: you don’t have millions of people celebrating and/or commiserating when one pizza joint makes more money than the other. You be cognisant of the fact that it’s primarily about having fun and making people’s weekends memorable, and picking fights with players, making everyone who works for you hate you and playing rank, dull football is not the way to do that.I think the players do understand all that on some level. And with Rangnick it's nice that he's calling out the owners but he's got literally nothing to lose in the position he's in... Mourinho and other full-time managers didn't have that kind of privilege. It's also a very convenient way for Rangnick to divert any attention from himself and the rather poor job he has done as interim.
The majority of Rangnick’s ire has been aimed at the powers above him; why wouldn’t one respond to rebellious spirit? Mourinho wasn’t happy with Woodward or the Glazers, but would have rather played mind games and dropped subtle comments which cast him as the one true genius rather than call them out directly.
I don’t need every player to care about United above all else. I do want them to recognise that it isn’t just them who suffers when the team loses or plays poorly. There’s too many in that dressing room who think only about themselves, and they have to recognise they are in a profession where that isn’t possible, no matter how commodified and commercialised it’s become.
With Mourinho it all went to shit once the results were going poorly but until that point, I reckon he was pretty good for you guys even if he isn't playing the United Way (tm).
Marco van Basten gives advice to Erik ten Hag: “Don’t listen to the media. Focus on your team. Build around Ronaldo, he may be an individual player, but if he keeps performing as he has, let him play how he wants. Erik, you can change everything at United.”👍👍👍
By Daz Go To PostNot moving the goal post, and I never mentioned Ole.
It is on record that I was one of the first Ole outers. I think he did more damage than Mou in many respects.
The original point I was rebutting was the idea of Mou criticising the club out of anything other a self-preservating vain glorious facade.
Ralf can offer long term frameworks and solutions, that's his thing. Mou be like get me nearly 30s to win some cups before set this whole thing ablaze and quit or get sacked.
I think you've, to an extend, proved my actual point though (I don't think Ragnick is just doing what Mou did obviously) which is that Mou's time could be viewed differently now that the Ole and post-Ole eras have played out.
Mou acted like a moody fucking prick while he was there....but he is a proper manager that like his successors, probably had no idea just how much of a fucking state United was in. Both in terms of squad personality and upper management. I get that people like N8 make off the cuff remarks that he only cares about his personal stature, I think that misses a fair bit of nuance tbh. I mean don't get me wrong...I agree with it, but I think it's just as true of LVG/Moyes/ETH. Why would they have some deep connection to United? If you think ETH is in it for any other reason than making him successful....you're wrong. United becoming successful again would just be a by product of a job well done.
I guess my point can be boiled down to....Mou was right...a bit.
By n8 dogg Go To Postwhat do you mean ‘people like n8’
fat white bitches?
discrimination
I guess I meant "people who share the opinion that Mou literally doesn't care about any clubs he works for"....but I did specifically also mean fat white bitches funnily enough
Again, I don’t care that Mou doesn’t care about the club. I care that he doesn’t seem to feel a duty of care to anyone else. What I like about Pochettino, and Klopp, and even Howe or Potter, is that semblance of culture building, that football is more than just winning: it’s about the experience of enjoying watching your team, pulling for them because they seem like affable people. It costs a lot of money and time and emotional energy to follow football, and someone like Klopp recognises that. I don’t think Mourinho gives a shit. What he cares about - and only cares about - is bolstering his CV.
Mourinho bolstering his CV by winning trophies aligns pretty much 1:1 with what United want out of a manager, so I don't really understand the issue. Ditto those other managers... they only manage that way because they believe it's the best way of gaining success which also aligns 1:1 with the club. That's all there is to it.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostMourinho bolstering his CV by winning trophies aligns pretty much 1:1 with what United want out of a manager, so I don't really understand the issue. Ditto those other managers… they only manage that way because they believe it's the best way of gaining success which also aligns 1:1 with the club. That's all there is to it.
Because I look at teams like Liverpool who can win and play good football, and have a likeable manager who doesn’t go scorched earth on every single person who crosses their path, and recognises that football is not about JUST winning.
Ferguson defended his squads. He loaded them with youth. Some of my formative years watching football, specifically 2006-11, I enjoyed watching the football we played.
I don’t think Mourinho adopted many of the qualities I liked about my football club. And I think my football club has forgotten many of them too.
I don’t really understand what we’re arguing about here now to be quite honest with you.
hurry the fuck up and switch to Arsenal so you can support the #project with me and dean, you mango.
By Pedja Go To Postpb just wants Mou back at ChelseaIf only. This would be hilarious... Mourinho at Chelsea is always entertaining af for better or for worse. I have fun and get into it no matter how good we are.
By Burt The Samurai Go To Postwe trashed salzburg in the final
incredible
Finally, European glory.
By Plasma Go To PostI think we would be in an infinitely stronger position as a club if we could actually sell players.
We'll be lucky to even get a 10th of that back.
Harder to open the chequebook when incomings for a lot of these players is 0.