Realizing I'm officially old now because I just saw someone saying attacks on controversial VP picks don't do anything and I realized half the people I see discussing politics have zero memory of the 2008 election cycle.
By Sharp Go To PostRealizing I'm officially old now because I just saw someone saying attacks on controversial VP picks don't do anything and I realized half the people I see discussing politics have zero memory of the 2008 election cycle.Tbf Palin was the outlier of outliers. None of the VP picks before or since ever got that kind of backlash.
I think historically speaking it's a true statement.
Vance just might be Palin 2.0 though lol
By Sharp Go To PostRealizing I'm officially old now because I just saw someone saying attacks on controversial VP picks don't do anything and I realized half the people I see discussing politics have zero memory of the 2008 election cycle.
Palin is interesting because she was an initial boost of energy into McCain's campaign until she did her first TV interview. I think, mostly, the VP pick doesn't move the needle in a positive way very much much. It can, however be a drag on the ticket. It's like a pass fail test. You should pass the test but if you don't it's not good.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostCan he actually get booted off the ticket?
Trump doesn't admit he did something wrong. He doubles down. He should dump Vance for like a Nikki Haley but I don't think he has that in him.
Firing Vance would create a focal lens on Trumps hiring decision making, which has been catastrophic. I don't think any of the other candidates beyond maybe Haley make up for the negative conversation that would occur around the replacement.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostFiring Vance would create a focal lens on Trumps hiring decision making, which has been catastrophic. I don't think any of the other candidates beyond maybe Haley make up for the negative conversation that would occur around the replacement.Everyone is very used to Trump throwing his own selections in the bushes on a whim
Vance is interesting because he's of his age and his constant online persona. Younger politicians who've spent a ton of time online will be more easily vetted for oppo research than the previous gens. Could you imagine if Bill Clinton had the internet as a young man? Dude probably never gets elected.
This is very true. At least for the base. If anything stops him, it will be his ego. Vance is also willing to carry trumps water and do whatever trump wants. Maybe a couple more weeks of bad polling and online couch / dolpin rumors change things though LMAO
By DY_nasty Go To PostEveryone is very used to Trump throwing his own selections in the bushes on a whim
This is very true. At least for the base. If anything stops him, it will be his ego. Vance is also willing to carry trumps water and do whatever trump wants. Maybe a couple more weeks of bad polling and online couch / dolpin rumors change things though LMAO
By Patriotism Go To PostMan looks like his face is too small for his head.SNL gonna get Haley Joel Osment to play as JD Vance
By Perfect Blue Go To PostI can’t imagine being a fence sitter. Who tf are these people unsure at this point.They mostly think Trump's presidency was fine and the economy was better for them. I would say his biggest barrier to winning these people over with Harris on the ticket is that, instead of focusing on Biden being too old, he and Vance remind everybody how unpopular their platform is whenever they're given airtime.
I'm waiting for the Democrat messaging to focus on, for instance, how Project 2025 actually raises taxes for everybody except the ultra wealthy.
Trump is literally untouchable lol. Doesn’t matter what he does. His voters will vote for him.
Think he could stuff Osama Bin Laden’s soul into John McCain’s body like Elden Ring as his VP and people would vote for him.
Think he could stuff Osama Bin Laden’s soul into John McCain’s body like Elden Ring as his VP and people would vote for him.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostI can’t imagine being a fence sitter. Who tf are these people unsure at this point.Theres more fence sitting than ever this time around. Trump wasn't even supposed to be able to finance a campaign let alone run this time last year fr.
Sustained volatility has a lasting effect on voters. Agility is kind of a necessity for campaigns now instead of tripling down on ezpz talking points too.
Omfg there’s tweet of Vance going around now about him and his kids explaining to his wife tentacle porn exists
By reilo Go To PostVance just might be Palin 2.0 though lolI might be remembering wrong but Palin had a somewhat energetic and pretty typical convention speech and had good support at first. Without much bad background stuff. It wasn’t until she did interviews later where people realized she had no idea about anything and was actually incredibly dumb. Vance didn’t even start off ok. At least Palin made sense in that McCains campaign was already in the dumps and he took a risk to try and energize it. Vance should have never gotten past the vetting process.
By Fenderputty Go To PostOmfg there’s tweet of Vance going around now about him and his kids explaining to his wife tentacle porn exists
That's just someone repurposing the old Kurt Eichenwald tweet.
By jjasper Go To PostI might be remembering wrong but Palin had a somewhat energetic and pretty typical convention speech and had good support at first. Without much bad background stuff. It wasn’t until she did interviews later where people realized she had no idea about anything and was actually incredibly dumb. Vance didn’t even start off ok. At least Palin made sense in that McCains campaign was already in the dumps and he took a risk to try and energize it. Vance should have never gotten past the vetting process.
Had Biden not dropped out, Vance was the way they shored up their base and would be a dude who would do whatever trump wanted. It was a cocky play thinking they had it in the bag and a "lets run up the numbers" play. They didn't think they would have to try and appeal to fence sitters.
By Laboured Go To PostThat's just someone repurposing the old Kurt Eichenwald tweet.
Son of a ...
By DY_nasty Go To PostEveryone is very used to Trump throwing his own selections in the bushes on a whim
Two big differences now though are:
1. Kamala's team seems sharp. She's all over the place and is actually on the attack. Biden would miss layups constantly.
2. The media had enough distractions with Biden/Clinton to both sides everything and let everyone easily go to their own echo chambers. But Kamala being as clean as she is forces the media to focus more on Trump as that's where the news is. As a result, the news media will be "biased" against Trump moving forward unless Republicans can find their own version of Benghazi/Hunters laptop.
By jjasper Go To PostI might be remembering wrong but Palin had a somewhat energetic and pretty typical convention speech and had good support at first. Without much bad background stuff. It wasn’t until she did interviews later where people realized she had no idea about anything and was actually incredibly dumb. Vance didn’t even start off ok. At least Palin made sense in that McCains campaign was already in the dumps and he took a risk to try and energize it. Vance should have never gotten past the vetting process.Which kinda makes Vance look worse
By Fenderputty Go To PostHad Biden not dropped out, Vance was the way they shored up their base and would be a dude who would do whatever trump wanted. It was a cocky play thinking they had it in the bag and a "lets run up the numbers" play. They didn't think they would have to try and appeal to fence sitters.Yeah, it was apparently a play orchestrated by his kids as Trump himself wanted Doug Burgum. They figured Dem/independent turnout would be really depressed, which is backed up by Trump's team not doing get out the vote events.
I think he'll eventually have to do the debates because the alternative is that he looks weak and Harris gets more free air time by herself.
Him not doing a get out of the vote game is definitely indicative of their confidence prior to Biden leaving. Trump will be the get out the vote effort and all their money will go to funding election watchers at polling places. Which mean this election will be just as big of a shit show as the last one. Even with Dems in control of two houses. Create controversy and lawsuits and let the speaker of the house muck it up more.
By Fenderputty Go To PostOmfg there’s tweet of Vance going around now about him and his kids explaining to his wife tentacle porn existsRussia don’t play
By C4-621 Go To PostAll he had to say was parents should get a tax credit lol... they already do
Literally called the Child Tax Credit
By DY_nasty Go To Postcat lady vote > youth progressive voteUnfortunately the youth progressive vote is currently getting worked by Russian twitter bots on Palestine
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