By Laboured Go To Post
Speaking with some of the military people I've volunteered with it sounds like I shouldn't be surprised to be on an FSB list somewhere. Although, I was probably on one before for my hentai porn.
Can you lads explain to me why abortion is still such a very hot topic in the US? I don’t follow the history of it too closely but it feels like most liberal democracies have already solved the issue there but in the US it’s still arguably the most vocal social issue.
By Old King Rob Go To PostIt wins Republicans electionsThat’s more of a result of abortion being such a wedge issue. I guess I’m essentially asking why does it win Republicans elections.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostThat’s more of a result of abortion being such a wedge issue. I guess I’m essentially asking why does it win Republicans elections.Religion
There’s not a real answer to that from my experience. It’s not even something they truly believe in, as anyone I’ve ever discussed that with has eventually changed their stance.
It’s just some bullshit talking point to get people going “yeah! Fuck the dumbocrats!” and nothing more.
It’s just some bullshit talking point to get people going “yeah! Fuck the dumbocrats!” and nothing more.
It's complicated. You'll see reasons that lean on religious/moral grounds that its basically murder. You'll see arguments that it destabilizes communities by encouraging non-nuclear households. Other stuff such as abortion being offered allows doctors to undercut and act against a family's wishes/open abortion encouragement etc.... A lot of it is dumb. But overall it gives you a lot of angles to attack different progressive platforms all at the same time.
I'd actually be okay with a few individual anti-abortion stances from folks if they weren't tied to larger efforts to prevent that access to others.
I wouldn't say its a purely republican thing either tbh. Way too many democrats have proven time and time again that its one of the first areas they're willing to give ground.
I'd actually be okay with a few individual anti-abortion stances from folks if they weren't tied to larger efforts to prevent that access to others.
I wouldn't say its a purely republican thing either tbh. Way too many democrats have proven time and time again that its one of the first areas they're willing to give ground.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostThat’s more of a result of abortion being such a wedge issue. I guess I’m essentially asking why does it win Republicans elections.Because they're poor defenceless babbies who need to be cared for, nurtured and protected.
Until they're born.
By Old King Rob Go To PostThere’s not a real answer to that from my experience. It’s not even something they truly believe in, as anyone I’ve ever discussed that with has eventually changed their stance.I've met folks that genuinely believe that abortion is murder in the womb and straight up atrocity. The argument that life starts at birth and "trust science" is never going to counter it because tbh it is dismissive of those types of feelings. There's better ways to work around strong religious or moral (not logical) lines in the sand... Its been done before. American politics just make some things worse because we kinda need to have persistent issues.
It’s just some bullshit talking point to get people going “yeah! Fuck the dumbocrats!” and nothing more.
Like for example I DO believe that education towards abortion is critical. Encouraging it at the very first glimmer of possible inconvenience is also really fucked up. As a voter, what type of plate am I going to be forcefed in election season? After 5 years? 20?
We're jackasses lol
By DY_nasty Go To PostThere's better ways to work around strong religious or moral (not logical) lines in the sand… Its been done before. American politics just make some things worse because we kinda need to have persistent issues.Thanks for the responses.
This part specifically gets to what my question is. I understand and am aware of the reasons certain people are against abortion but it seems to me efforts to convince them of it have been failing badly compared to other social issues.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI've met folks that genuinely believe that abortion is murder in the womb and straight up atrocity. The argument that life starts at birth and "trust science" is never going to counter it because tbh it is dismissive of those types of feelings. There's better ways to work around strong religious or moral (not logical) lines in the sand… Its been done before. American politics just make some things worse because we kinda need to have persistent issues.I've had this debate with people and eventually they switch stances. My approach to opening their eyes was never about whether its life or not. I don't believe it's life, but I know that won't convince them like you said. The thing with abortion though, whether you're looking at it from a moral perspective, financial, science, none of that really matters. There's no benefit to forcing people keep kids, they just need help realizing that.
Like for example I DO believe that education towards abortion is critical. Encouraging it at the very first glimmer of possible inconvenience is also really fucked up. As a voter, what type of plate am I going to be forcefed in election season? After 5 years? 20?
We're jackasses lol
The only stance that really can't be argued against is "fuck them, I just wanna see them suffer" but I'm not rich enough to be around those kind of people.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostThanks for the responses.
This part specifically gets to what my question is. I understand and am aware of the reasons certain people are against abortion but it seems to me efforts to convince them of it have been failing badly compared to other social issues.
The political groups that should be doing the convincing haven't leveraged anything worth a damn to educate on the subject. There is no sort of push-back against the propaganda. No campaigns. No video messaging. No usage of social media. Just "vote for me, and we'll fix it" vibes, or none at all.
If you didn't vote for me, I'm not spending money to try and change it, so hold that: you're a lost cause. Biggest thing I relearned, being in the south, during the pandemic.
By Old King Rob Go To PostI've had this debate with people and eventually they switch stances. My approach to opening their eyes was never about whether its life or not. I don't believe it's life, but I know that won't convince them like you said. The thing with abortion though, whether you're looking at it from a moral perspective, financial, science, none of that really matters. There's no benefit to forcing people keep kids, they just need help realizing that."Suffering builds character. Look at my gift to the people. I am generous, and my love is their bedrock - how could you take away their purpose?" is definitely a rant I've sat through once or twice.
The only stance that really can't be argued against is "fuck them, I just wanna see them suffer" but I'm not rich enough to be around those kind of people.
Religious folk have started claiming science states human life starts at conception, which technically it does. The issue has absolutely become weaponized by republicans which makes it worse. Fuck … we got folk in the US donating to Israel to speed up the apocalypse. Pat Robertson was just bloviating about it with Russian and Ukraine.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostThe political groups that should be doing the convincing haven't leveraged anything worth a damn to educate on the subject. There is no sort of push-back against the propaganda. No campaigns. No video messaging. No usage of social media. Just "vote for me, and we'll fix it" vibes, or none at all.the bolded has definitely intensified lol.... right along with the folks wondering how such a thing could ever backfire
If you didn't vote for me, I'm not spending money to try and change it, so hold that: you're a lost cause. Biggest thing I relearned, being in the south, during the pandemic.
By DY_nasty Go To Postthe bolded has definitely intensified lol…. right along with the folks wondering how such a thing could ever backfireIt legit infuriates me. I have blown up at people because of it around the 2016 election.
By Pedja Go To PostBecause they're poor defenceless babbies who need to be cared for, nurtured and protected.Not even then, they don't care about prenatal care either. Forced birthers make me ill.
Until they're born.
By Perfect Blue Go To Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-seeks-answers-india-after-crash-mystery-flying-object-2022-03-10/This is just fucking stupid.
Oyyyyyy
By Perfect Blue Go To Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-seeks-answers-india-after-crash-mystery-flying-object-2022-03-10/
Oyyyyyy
"oops"
What in the hell. As if there isn't enough going on, atm.
By Perfect Blue Go To Posthttps://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-seeks-answers-india-after-crash-mystery-flying-object-2022-03-10/This is the one thing we didn't want to happen
Oyyyyyy
By i can get you a toe Go To Postcan't wait for state sanctioned memesit's been happening for years now
what a timeline
By Elchele Go To Postit's been happening for years nowIsn't that what the DNC twitter account is
By Elchele Go To Postit's been happening for years nowYeah but this is more tryhard grassroots style instead of lame shit from the top.
also india wtf are you doin' man
