By Burt The Samurai Go To Post
:lol
Not surprised one bit.
By Burt The Samurai Go To PostSomeone should take one of Shanks expensive umbrellas and shove it up Draghi's ass.
:lol
they should rename the EU to union of the bitch mades.
Meanwhile...
By Batong-curling Go To PostFlabber called it
By s y Go To Postmmm, i dont know if that was the right call
Die fast from being attacked by a warship or die slow and painful in a Russian prison.
By DY_nasty Go To Postfinally, the end of racism
That'll decrease the price of oil, rejoice.
One of my coworkers left work cuz his family back home is being bombed apparently. I couldn’t even imagine that feeling..
Quick glance doesn’t seem to include any fuckery. Dying @ her shutting down 3 Trump executive orders against AFGE and other federal unions and yet the government is still full of Trump loving shitheads
Man literally tried to fuck you over but your hatred of minorities means you’ll gladly accept worse working conditions. Gonna bring that up next time some asshole rants about how this job was so much better under Trump
By Fenderputty Go To Post
Quick glance doesn’t seem to include any fuckery. Dying @ her shutting down 3 Trump executive orders against AFGE and other federal unions and yet the government is still full of Trump loving shitheads
Man literally tried to fuck you over but your hatred of minorities means you’ll gladly accept worse working conditions. Gonna bring that up next time some asshole rants about how this job was so much better under Trump
By Laboured Go To PostAh.So what's stopping Russian from doing that?
By s y Go To PostSo what's stopping Russian from doing that?open and clear neutrality more or less
How neutral is neutral enough?
Nothing. They've already created the pretext. Ukraine was nowhere near joining NATO and they weren't neutral enough for Putin.
This is a completely unfettered land grab and treating it otherwise is to take Putin at face value, and I like to think the posters here are at least smarter than that.
By s y Go To PostSo what's stopping Russian from doing that?
Nothing. They've already created the pretext. Ukraine was nowhere near joining NATO and they weren't neutral enough for Putin.
This is a completely unfettered land grab and treating it otherwise is to take Putin at face value, and I like to think the posters here are at least smarter than that.
By DY_nasty Go To Postnowhere near? they applied for NATO lolRevisionist history going on here. It's literally in Ukraine's constitution that it is their intention🤣
By DY_nasty Go To Postnowhere near? they applied for NATO lol
By Lunatic Go To PostRevisionist history going on here. It's literally in Ukraine's constitution that it is their intention🤣
Sure, but am I wrong in thinking its membership was not imminent?
everyone is on the same page. shit is fucked up. but a you touch one of us, you touch us all military union inching closer to your borders? every major player on the planet would flip out. and they all have through history. hell, we STILL on cuba's neck lmao
the chest beating is whatever, but its still been a situation that could've been handled a lot better than what we have now - which was gassing up ukraine to think that they really had allies if push came to shove.
this was plainly not an instance of clear, deliberate long-term deescalation at work. x superpower saying "yal can get this work too if you play this game too" is out of the same playbook as well
the chest beating is whatever, but its still been a situation that could've been handled a lot better than what we have now - which was gassing up ukraine to think that they really had allies if push came to shove.
this was plainly not an instance of clear, deliberate long-term deescalation at work. x superpower saying "yal can get this work too if you play this game too" is out of the same playbook as well
By Laboured Go To PostSure, but am I wrong in thinking its membership was not imminent?it stopped being imminent back in like 2014. russia didn't fire their first shot this week. that's why so many politicians acting surprised or unnerved is absurd
They can get a shadow government in there for a bit sure, but if they want to keep the optics that Ukraine is independent, it's inevitable that "the people's party" would end up taking back control at some point which would put them back at square 1. 10, 15, 20 years down the road sure, but eventually yea.
I guess my main thing is why would Ukraine do anything to upset Russia vs maintaining neutrality?
Was Russia constantly on their neck over the years wanting to take over? Did they think NATO countries would send in military support?
This seems like a lose lose for Ukraine.bos there a good write up on the relationship history here?
Was Russia constantly on their neck over the years wanting to take over? Did they think NATO countries would send in military support?
This seems like a lose lose for Ukraine.bos there a good write up on the relationship history here?
By Laboured Go To PostSure, but am I wrong in thinking its membership was not imminent?You are not wrong. The requirements for it are quite high in stuff like GDP and particularly political system and corruption, as well as NATO membership requires all members’ approvals. Greece was holding up North Macedonia for years due to the name dispute. Ukraine was definitely on the path and had interest in joining but it still had a long way to go even before 2014.
There were a lot of the Nato partners early on that wanted Ukraine to join after the USSR collapse, but fraulein Merkel shut that down (would threaten Russia to much) and that has not changed.
Feel that the current problems Russia sees in Ukraine are more that they look more to the West (Europe) for their future than east. And I do not believe a political system like the one in moskou can survive next to a blossoming Ukraine that's fully democratised, as in getting rid of the old corrupted/oligarch way of doing things.
The, we have to take stance against Nato expanding, is just a nice scapegoat. Putin has at least bought Nato and the countries close to Russia more together than they since the ussr collapse.
Feel that the current problems Russia sees in Ukraine are more that they look more to the West (Europe) for their future than east. And I do not believe a political system like the one in moskou can survive next to a blossoming Ukraine that's fully democratised, as in getting rid of the old corrupted/oligarch way of doing things.
The, we have to take stance against Nato expanding, is just a nice scapegoat. Putin has at least bought Nato and the countries close to Russia more together than they since the ussr collapse.
By Laboured Go To PostAh.
By markao Go To PostThere were a lot of the Nato partners early on that wanted Ukraine to join after the USSR collapse, but fraulein Merkel shut that down (would threaten Russia to much) and that has not changed.i mean, the first and last bits line up yeah?
Feel that the current problems Russia sees in Ukraine are more that they look more to the West (Europe) for their future than east. And I do not believe a political system like the one in moskou can survive next to a blossoming Ukraine that's fully democratised, as in getting rid of the old corrupted/oligarch way of doing things.
The, we have to take stance against Nato expanding, is just a nice scapegoat. Putin has at least bought Nato and the countries close to Russia more together than they since the ussr collapse.
a lot of countries want to say flowery stuff. but if there was any inclination to protect a partner/applicant nation, then it would've been clearly expressed a long time ago. that card got pulled already. but it wasn't a scapegoat then, its not now either.
Going after Finland and Sweden will start WW3, no joke.
Gotta love the fact that *cof* some countries are ok with Russia being cut off from Swift. It’s beautiful to see all the politics play out in parallel, using tragedy to gain advantage.
Gotta love the fact that *cof* some countries are ok with Russia being cut off from Swift. It’s beautiful to see all the politics play out in parallel, using tragedy to gain advantage.
Fuck I'm so happy the individual made it out alive, can't believe the cunt in the tank squashed a civilian.
By Daz Go To PostThis meme will never be topped
I saw a Russian tank swerving to intentionally flatten a Ukrainian car, speeding in the opposite direction, was my morning dose of "what-the-shit-is-going-on!".
By Laboured Go To PostThis is a completely unfettered land grab and treating it otherwise is to take Putin at face value, and I like to think the posters here are at least smarter than that.It's some Dunning-Kruger shit for any of us to believe we have a strong grasp on Putin's intentions and plans.
Where's the supposed land being grabbed - the separatists republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, the entirety of Donbas, or the whole of Ukraine? And in what capacity is it being grabbed - to become part of Russian territory, to operate as proxies, or some other arrangements, potentially varying across different regions of what we currently consider the whole of Ukraine? Pretending we know the answers to any of these questions at this point is foolish.
Like others have mentioned, the repeated expansions of NATO over the past few decades have unquestionably created the surrounding circumstances for this issue. And all of this was foreseeable and preventable from the beginning. I think it's worth returning to the famous warning by George Kennan - the guy who engineered the US's containment policy for the USSR during the cold war - about what would happen if NATO expanded in the 90s when Russia was an ally, not an enemy:
Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere of the cold war to East-West relations, and to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.Instead of heeding any of this advice, the US and its allies have spent decades manufacturing a needless conflict - expanding NATO in four successive waves, arming Russia's neighbors, probably aiding and inflaming the so-called color revolutions (considering the long sordid history of the CIA), and withdrawing from treaties regarding drone spycraft, anti-ballistic missiles, and intermediate-range nuclear weapons.
The saddest part is that it's the Ukrainians who receive the worst of it - yet another people crushed under the endless proxy wars between Washington and Moscow.
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By MF Coom Go To PostI saw a Russian tank swerving to intentionally flatten a Ukrainian car, speeding in the opposite direction, was my morning dose of "what-the-shit-is-going-on!".
By Lunatic Go To PostProbably didn't need to see that today 😕Tweets say that it was a Ukrainian tank. Idk what to believe.
Twitter just makes everything blurrier
By Pedja Go To PostI am not willing to die in a nuclear holocaust for the Swedes or the Finnish.Always knew you were a bastard
By Laboured Go To PostAlso think this move would just inevitably push more countries to NATO.
Ehhh though I do think this forced NATO countries stat taking security more seriously
By LFMartins86 Go To PostViktor Orban to the rescue!
Hungary are the only ones resisting now, I think.
By Batong-curling Go To PostAlways knew you were a bastardI, for one, I'm willing to let nonja die for you m9. <3