By reilo Go To Post3.5bl customers were locked out today because of a single owner3.5bl customers that had viable alternatives
By diehard Go To Post3.5bl customers that had viable alternativesI very much doubt 3.5bl customers had reasonable access to viable alternatives. Especially in third world countries.
By diehard Go To Post3.5bl customers that had viable alternativesThis is true. Telegram, TikTok, twitter(according to wooden), Viber etc.
By s y Go To PostI very much doubt 3.5bl customers had reasonable access to viable alternatives. Especially in third world countries.There isn't really any additional barrier of entry for competitors in 3rd world countries that wouldn't also exist elsewhere.
WhatsApp has a dominant position in many countries that i guess you could argue is a form of a monopoly but what anti-competitive practices did they use to get there?
By diehard Go To Post3.5bl customers that had viable alternativesi dont think i can teach my grandma how to download telegram and make an account or whatever
By diehard Go To PostThere isn't really any additional barrier of entry for competitors in 3rd world countries that wouldn't also exist elsewhere.You're not aware that Facebook created fake VPNs to collect analytics on teenagers that lead them to buy WhatsApp in its infancy?
WhatsApp has a dominant position in many countries that i guess you could argue is a form of a monopoly but what anti-competitive practices did they use to get there?
https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/
By reilo Go To PostYou're not aware that Facebook created fake VPNs to collect analytics on teenagers that lead them to buy WhatsApp in its infancy?Nah i had heard that
https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/
By DY_nasty Go To PostI genuinely can't tell if diehard is attempting sy-tier trolling and it keeps throwing me off 😂We should break up Facebook and WhatsApp so that if WhatsApp goes down people can use a viable alternative like Facebook, then we can post about it via another alternative.
Yes because at least then Facebook would have to compete for their service which is the fucking point my dude
By reilo Go To PostYes because at least then Facebook would have to compete for their service which is the fucking point my dudeWhatApp would be in the same dominant position that it always and Facebook would join the list of competitors that people already won't switch to because WhatApp is ubiquitous in certain countries. How would be the impact be of availability of services to consumers improve?
By diehard Go To PostWhatApp would be in the same dominant position that it always and Facebook would join the list of competitors that people already won't switch to because WhatApp is ubiquitous in certain countries. How would be the impact be of availability of services to consumers improve?How do we even know that when we never got to see WhatsApp compete from a dominant or even secondary position? Facebook swooped in early and put their serious resources behind it and by de facto helped to pick a winner. You're discussing like either path was coequal and that's clearly not the case.
By reilo Go To PostHow do we even know that when we never got to see WhatsApp compete from a dominant or even secondary position? Facebook swooped in early and put their serious resources behind it and by de facto helped to pick a winner. You're discussing like either path was coequal and that's clearly not the case.I mean yeah that's a good point, especially to be used against Facebook ever acquiring WhatsApp.
I still think breaking them up now doesn't really effect something like what happened today though.
As far as the argument for breaking up these Facebook owned properties? Thus far the traditional legal argument against its monopoly hasn't gone anywhere because it had to take into account that Facebook owning these properties hasn't been bad for the consumer (it's all free, after all!). So if the monopoly isn't suppressing competition, nor inducing customer friction, then it cannot be monopolistic... or so the argument went until today.
Facebook having all of it under its umbrella created a single point of failure. So what was the disservice to the customer? Literally it not being available and causing bad downstream impact.
If WhatsApp, Instagram, et al were on their own (or even owned by someone else), then (presumably) these service would've been available today and (presumably) only Facebook itself would have been down.
And as far as the larger argument if Facebook's dominant position is causing harm to competitors? That clearly was also answered as other messaging apps and social networks saw a huge boon in traffic today by Facebook and its properties literally not existing.
And who knows, maybe along the way they can start competing with each other which within every capitalistic theory dictates that it should lead to even better products for better experiences for its customers...
Break it the fuck up.
Facebook having all of it under its umbrella created a single point of failure. So what was the disservice to the customer? Literally it not being available and causing bad downstream impact.
If WhatsApp, Instagram, et al were on their own (or even owned by someone else), then (presumably) these service would've been available today and (presumably) only Facebook itself would have been down.
And as far as the larger argument if Facebook's dominant position is causing harm to competitors? That clearly was also answered as other messaging apps and social networks saw a huge boon in traffic today by Facebook and its properties literally not existing.
And who knows, maybe along the way they can start competing with each other which within every capitalistic theory dictates that it should lead to even better products for better experiences for its customers...
Break it the fuck up.
Are Facebook (and other companies like Google, eBay and Apple) actually legally beholden at all to the consumer to provide their free services? Obviously so many people are reliant on them that it's pretty disastrous when they aren't accessible, but I'm surprised that there's any legal recourse.
I assume that'd be the backbone of any anti-monopoly suit.
I assume that'd be the backbone of any anti-monopoly suit.
They're trying to redefine monopoly away from the chicago school definition of collaborating to drive up the price, because that's clearly not a factor at all anymore
It's just going to take even longer for the ancient powers that be to stop making the same stupid arguments that they did in 1986
It's just going to take even longer for the ancient powers that be to stop making the same stupid arguments that they did in 1986
Right, how do we make sure this doesn't happen to slaent when doicare gets pissed off again and attacks the site?
By Lunatic Go To PostAll of those tech giants will be broken up within the next 10 years.How can I make money from it?
By Pedja Go To PostHow can I make money from it?As main street? Just buy the shares. It's not really that difficult.
By Lunatic Go To PostAll of those tech giants will be broken up within the next 10 years.big doubt
By DY_nasty Go To Postbig doubtWell if slaent is here in 10 years we will see. Honestly believe we will start seeing it by 5.
2008 crash led to rise of popular leftist movements for the first time in decades but banks are more powerful than ever and wealth is even more consolidated
It'll take a financial event bigger than that to unplug the machine now
The problem with tech is they buy off the blue
It'll take a financial event bigger than that to unplug the machine now
The problem with tech is they buy off the blue
By Lunatic Go To PostWell if slaent is here in 10 years we will see. Honestly believe we will start seeing it by 5.i think they're in too deep to ever be broken up in any real sense at this point.
By Not Go To Post2008 crash led to rise of popular leftist movements for the first time in decades but banks are more powerful than ever and wealth is even more consolidated2008 wasn't about shit looking back. and tech bullies buy off both sides of the fence too. they essentially make elected officials cockfight for the right to appease them lol
It'll take a financial event bigger than that to unplug the machine now
The problem with tech is they buy off the blue
that south park clip reminds me that people said nomadland was romanticising working at amazon and i'm like what movie did you watch it looked soul crushingly miserable.
I mean considering our housing crisis and America in general an Amazon Company Town would be a boon for some lots of people. Warehouse on the bottom and housing either around it or on top? Maybe even a store like WF? Beats commuting 2-3 hours for minimum wage and feeling like you could be evicted at any moment so the landlord can raise rent.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostI mean considering our housing crisis and America in general an Amazon Company Town would be a boon forYou would essentially be working for free, as any money you earn is spent on an Amazon owned store, which means the money Amazon paid you just goes back to Amazon.somelots of people. Warehouse on the bottom and housing either around it or on top? Maybe even a store like WF? Beats commuting 2-3 hours for minimum wage.
we could also eat amazon branded sludge that provides us with all the nutrients the top amazon scientists have deemed necessary to walk the warehouses
By DiPro Go To Postgood lord, where is this?
By Old King Rob Go To PostYou would essentially be working for free, as any money you earn is spent on an Amazon owned store, which means the money Amazon paid you just goes back to Amazon.Yes that's what a company town is... I'm not even happy about this. We're going backwards. But shelter is shelter.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostI mean considering our housing crisis and America in general an Amazon Company Town would be a boon forsomelots of people. Warehouse on the bottom and housing either around it or on top? Maybe even a store like WF? Beats commuting 2-3 hours for minimum wage and feeling like you could be evicted at any moment so the landlord can raise rent.
It'll be cool to see those towns in 100 years, just like the empty mining ghost towns of today.
Oh wait, it won't. We'll all be dead and buried in an Amazon branded cardboard coffin.
Oh wait, it won't. We'll all be dead and buried in an Amazon branded cardboard coffin.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostYes that's what a company town is… I'm not even happy about this. We're going backwards. But shelter is shelter.Honestly "going backwards" nails it. America: sure we'll build you living quarters. Just participate in slavery!
It's a scary feeling when all your hard work is suddenly inaccessible and even worse when it's out of your control. I'm sure it's extra concerning when it's related to #deletefacebook - no one likes to think about their data being compromised. I wanted to add another tip - if you're ever resetting your password, it's always a good idea to change it to something unique and difficult to guess. Additionally, if you're doing a verification step, consider using united states temporary phone number. It'll help you keep your private data confidential and avoid spamming your personal number. It's a great way to stay secure and still get access to the services you need.
By diehard Go To Postthese bots are actually fascinating to me
who is paying to spread a #deletefacebook message?
