By Frustrated_me Go To PostI thought this was interesting for various reasons:If you include all top 31 leagues in Europe.
- big money clubs like PSG, Madrid, Barca* have a strong youth system but integrate big player purchases with their youth. More Madrid and Barca given their financial setup, less PSG
- it is no coincidence that there are so many Ligue 1 young talent everywhere given this list, they really are in some golden generation
- surprised to see Arsenal in there, would be interesring to see them with a competent manager to develop their youth
- kinda surprised the other big EPL clubs aren't listed but I guess when you have so much money it doesn't really matter
You wonder just how much wealth must be generated in those 31 leagues sheesh, must be near a $.5 trillion economy.
The biggest barrier to English teams generating a lot of academy talent across the big 5 leagues is probably just English itself. UK players are too reluctant to go abroad, probably because so many have had trouble integrating over the years.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostWe currently have Nacho, Carvajal, Vasquez, Miguel and Mariano in our team from the academy. It's safe to say La Fabrica is a good cash cow for Madrid.Ahh, wiki has Miguel down in the reserve team section still so I wasn't aware of him being a first team player now. Mariano had his pro debut for Badalona before moving to Madrid, so I wouldn't entirely consider him an academy prospect, but it's borderline. It looks like that metric above uses who played for them at all before they were 21 so he definitely qualifies that way. Hopefully for your sake some of those other promising guys come through and make their mark.
Some promising kids coming up include:
Arribas
Blanco
Bruno Iglesias (probably our best prospect right now)
and Miguel (he already broke into the first team)
I wish they'd let B teams in England. It would make such a huge difference. The comparisons of English clubs to non are somewhat unfair because of the lack of this.
By Laboured Go To PostLess chat more sack.
I don't think Conte has a history of falling out with entire squads ala Mourinho. They're probably more wary of him because he won't take their shit. He'll go nuclear on them as soon as they miss out on a target they promised they'd sign.
Look, I'm just going to be up front about this: if there is even a semi-credible rumour that we're looking at G_Pottz I will just go absolutely buck wild.
That Ogden article also says that Rodgers has a buy out clause of £14m. I think he's a good coach and one who'd improve the side immeasurably from where we are right now.
Not sure we'd pay the fee tho.
Not sure we'd pay the fee tho.
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp353/en/
From this official CIES list, City are 2nd among PL clubs with 37, Utd and Chelsea tied for 3rd with 35. Spurs next at 24. If you limit it to Top 5 leagues, Utd and Chelsea have 23, City have 20, Spurs have 14.
There are apparently 55 active players right now who had their debut at City, but some of them perhaps were released or sold before qualifying for their system. I'm sure there is also a bit of guesswork involved as well.
From this official CIES list, City are 2nd among PL clubs with 37, Utd and Chelsea tied for 3rd with 35. Spurs next at 24. If you limit it to Top 5 leagues, Utd and Chelsea have 23, City have 20, Spurs have 14.
There are apparently 55 active players right now who had their debut at City, but some of them perhaps were released or sold before qualifying for their system. I'm sure there is also a bit of guesswork involved as well.
By Daz Go To PostRodgers?The man is a walking meme, but he's a good coach. Leicester have developed a habit of petering out in the final months of the season. But he's done a good job of turning them from mid table team into a top 6 one.
The real answer is that there's no list of candidates and no work has been done on that front.
We appointed Ole because we couldn't think of anyone else ffs. That was 3 years ago.
We appointed Ole because we couldn't think of anyone else ffs. That was 3 years ago.
By Daz Go To PostRodgers?
Would love him to be honest, dream catch right there.
By n8 dogg Go To PostImagine if it’s Southgate.
Conte doesn’t fall out with squads lol, he falls out with CEOs.
Precisely why they're actually hesitant. Still not sure I'm that keen tho.
By Laboured Go To PostPrecisely why they're actually hesitant. Still not sure I'm that keen tho.
Me neither. Pochettino for me, as before Ole, as before Mourinho.
By Feorax Go To PostCan’t believe we’ve got another United manager sacked.He's not sacked yet, but Klopp is definitely our worthiness test.
By Cleff Go To PostThe man is a walking meme, but he's a good coach. Leicester have developed a habit of petering out in the final months of the season. But he's done a good job of turning them from mid table team into a top 6 one.I guess you're right.
But I doubt he'd come.
I think I heard that Rodgers was reluctant to take a position at United because of his past with Liverpool, but perhaps that will change if they offer enough.
Also as much as it would delight me for Southgate to head there, there's no way he'd abandon the chance to win the WC for United
Also as much as it would delight me for Southgate to head there, there's no way he'd abandon the chance to win the WC for United
I feel a bit for McKenna. He did good work with our u18's, but looks like he wasn't ready for the step up to senior level coaching. Tbf to him he never should have been put in the position of being one of the primary coaches of a side with ambitions of winning a league title. He was only 32 when appointed by Solksjaer. Clearly wasn't ready.
Enrique or Ten Hag. Give them keys to the city and build them a mansion.
Genuinely think Ole could have had something if he got in some actual coaches and not newbies learning the job with him. Just a mess all around. Go out there and enjoy yourself and being reliant on individual ability every game is a short lived hell.
Genuinely think Ole could have had something if he got in some actual coaches and not newbies learning the job with him. Just a mess all around. Go out there and enjoy yourself and being reliant on individual ability every game is a short lived hell.
By Willkiller Go To PostOh so now United care about style? After appointing Ole 💀Getting hung up about style at this point is insane. Just get a manager who knows how to coach a team who tf cares about the style.
Meh hope United sticks with Olé, would be very unlike the club to be so trigger happy. Can't get rid of him when he's come this far and is this close.
Conte would be a disaster, he's a ticking time bomb. Even if he won the treble at United in his first season, he'd leave next summer because the board doesn't sign that player he wants. He won't deal well with some egos either.
Rodgers would totally go though, reckon he's desperate for a top 6 job. He would probably deal better with the tremendous characters in the United dressing room.
At the end of the day, Olé is the only one who truly understands the spirit of United, the guy is pretty much the reincarnation of Fergie.
Conte would be a disaster, he's a ticking time bomb. Even if he won the treble at United in his first season, he'd leave next summer because the board doesn't sign that player he wants. He won't deal well with some egos either.
Rodgers would totally go though, reckon he's desperate for a top 6 job. He would probably deal better with the tremendous characters in the United dressing room.
At the end of the day, Olé is the only one who truly understands the spirit of United, the guy is pretty much the reincarnation of Fergie.
By Fergie Go To PostEnrique or Ten Hag. Give them keys to the city and build them a mansion.Valverde!
Genuinely think Ole could have had something if he got in some actual coaches and not newbies learning the job with him. Just a mess all around. Go out there and enjoy yourself and being reliant on individual ability every game is a short lived hell.
This is kind of where I am now. We haven't been coached towards any particular style since LVG left. We need a coach to drill these players relentlessly. I'd just much rather it wasn't Conte. Fear we'd utterly waste the likes of Sancho and even Greenwood.
Conte would transform every United player under him and turn them into world beaters like he’s done every where he has gone. Like, the man is a tactical genius and the best in the world at getting the best out of his specific squad. If the man wasn’t a lunatic he’d be the most wanted coach in football.
By BlindCom Go To PostConte would be a disaster, he's a ticking time bomb. Even if he won the treble at United in his first season, he'd leave next summer because the board doesn't sign that player he wants. He won't deal well with some egos either.So what?
If he wins the treble with United they would build a statue for him - who cares what happens in a couple years. I don't think he's the ideal choice in a perfect world, but he's available now. He would get results immediately and get the players working like dogs.
Trophies and winning matter more than an obsession with 'the United way.'
I don't get that Cleff
We've had a couple of months of moaning about Sancho being a systems player (and VdB), now he'd be wasted under the ultimate systems manager? Maybe he wouldn't fit into a 3-5-2, but surely he can in a 3-4-3?
We've had a couple of months of moaning about Sancho being a systems player (and VdB), now he'd be wasted under the ultimate systems manager? Maybe he wouldn't fit into a 3-5-2, but surely he can in a 3-4-3?
By Hitch Go To PostI don't get that CleffHe played well in a 3-5-2 and 3-4-3.
We've had a couple of months of moaning about Sancho being a systems player (and VdB), now he'd be wasted under the ultimate systems manager? Maybe he wouldn't fit into a 3-5-2, but surely he can in a 3-4-3?
By Hitch Go To PostI don't get that CleffTo add to that, I think Sancho and Greenwood both would thrive under Conte. Don’t really understand this view that they’re coddled children in need of protection or that they’d be “wasted” under him - they are top-tier professional athletes at the literal peak of their craft. They didn’t get here by being coddled and protected. They want to be pushed to their best and reach that extra level.
We've had a couple of months of moaning about Sancho being a systems player (and VdB), now he'd be wasted under the ultimate systems manager? Maybe he wouldn't fit into a 3-5-2, but surely he can in a 3-4-3?
Conte won several titles with Juve while they were by far the best team in the league with no competition. Then he won a title with Chelsea with Guardiola and Klopp just getting started. The next season he was thoroughly average. In Italy he won a title after Juventus completely imploded.
I don't doubt that he's extremely talented but in England no one is a guaranteed trophy winner given the current competition. So it's not surprising that United aren't willing to throw it all at a 1/3 chance of a title
I don't doubt that he's extremely talented but in England no one is a guaranteed trophy winner given the current competition. So it's not surprising that United aren't willing to throw it all at a 1/3 chance of a title
By Fergie Go To PostThe problem with people like GNev is that they think it's personal.
Under Conte I think:
- Unless he thrives as an RCB then I think AWB dies a death.
- Lingard gets more time.
- Dalot gets more time.
- Martial will not get a reprieve.
- Donny will not get a reprieve.
- Henderson will not get a reprieve.
- One of Matic or McTom gets bombed out.
- One of CR7 or Cavani gets bombed out.
- Phil Jones will beome a balon d'or winner within months.
- Unless he thrives as an RCB then I think AWB dies a death.
- Lingard gets more time.
- Dalot gets more time.
- Martial will not get a reprieve.
- Donny will not get a reprieve.
- Henderson will not get a reprieve.
- One of Matic or McTom gets bombed out.
- One of CR7 or Cavani gets bombed out.
- Phil Jones will beome a balon d'or winner within months.
By Hitch Go To PostI don't get that CleffI'm more looking at the way he set up at Inter with wing backs. Think it forces our wide forwards out of the side.
We've had a couple of months of moaning about Sancho being a systems player (and VdB), now he'd be wasted under the ultimate systems manager? Maybe he wouldn't fit into a 3-5-2, but surely he can in a 3-4-3?
Of course, right now beggars can't be choosers. We need someone to come in and actually modernise our system.
By Andrew Go To PostSo what?
If he wins the treble with United they would build a statue for him - who cares what happens in a couple years. I don't think he's the ideal choice in a perfect world, but he's available now. He would get results immediately and get the players working like dogs.
Trophies and winning matter more than an obsession with 'the United way.'
Because deep down, United fans are hoping their next manager will be like Klopp or Pep, someone who can make the squad play entertaining football AND win trophies AND stay there for the long term to build a great team. I'm sure the club will be desperate enough at some point to get someone like Cunte and it might have reached that point already but can't blame the fans to want someone who is less volatile than Conte.
It's also why Poch is so popular for the N8s of this world, the guy might have not won anything but he made Spurs play some nice football, built his team over the years and came close enough. The idea being that if he was given more money and better players, he'd win something with that same brand of football.