#OleOut
5-0 is the final straw for him I assume. Mou would perhaps have done better in that specific game but overall I don't think he would have made the same progress ole has. Ole was a good choice at the time, just not anymore.
Though, like Ronaldo, Mourinho knows the feeling of 5-0 in a big derby so he might not have been immune to Salah either.
5-0 is the final straw for him I assume. Mou would perhaps have done better in that specific game but overall I don't think he would have made the same progress ole has. Ole was a good choice at the time, just not anymore.
Though, like Ronaldo, Mourinho knows the feeling of 5-0 in a big derby so he might not have been immune to Salah either.
By inky Go To PostHas a manager ever gone: "I'm not good enough for the job" then resigned?Probably 60-70 years ago but who would do that now when there are millions to be earned by getting a payoff instead?
By inky Go To PostHas a manager ever gone: "I'm not good enough for the job" then resigned?I'm sure many have, just not ones who who realised this is as good as it would get for them.
Tbh I think the caretaker route is the way to go. Conte would get results, but we'd probably see Sancho, VDB etc remaining on the bench.
We've a very strong forward line. Being in a coach who would actually use it. If we have to wait until the summer to do so then fine.
We've a very strong forward line. Being in a coach who would actually use it. If we have to wait until the summer to do so then fine.
Conte would fall out with the superstar players after a year or two. Utd should go for Deschamp as at least he knows how to get a tune out of Pogba
By Diego! Go To PostConte would fall out with the superstar players after a year or two. Utd should go for Deschamp as at least he knows how to get a tune out of PogbaIt's fine, the superstar players will leave in a year or two anyway. Heck, Lingard is out of contract next summer.
Caretaker in October, with everything still to play for, is madness.
Perhaps if United had a longterm plan (they don't) you could make the argument for it, but otherwise..?
Think it's insanity to "give it to Carrick til' end of the season" when you have one of the best squads, in theory, in world football and are in the Champions League and only 8 points off the top. Conte is a serial winner. He won at Chelsea, Juve & Inter. Sure, he may be fractious and leave after a couple of seasons but he's one of the best.
Perhaps if United had a longterm plan (they don't) you could make the argument for it, but otherwise..?
Think it's insanity to "give it to Carrick til' end of the season" when you have one of the best squads, in theory, in world football and are in the Champions League and only 8 points off the top. Conte is a serial winner. He won at Chelsea, Juve & Inter. Sure, he may be fractious and leave after a couple of seasons but he's one of the best.
If Olé goes then Carrick goes. He and McKenna are the ones actually running the training drills.
A caretaker may be an unrealistic option, but it's the one that is probably the best for the long term. But then again, the Glazers don't really think long term when it comes to the footballing side.
A caretaker may be an unrealistic option, but it's the one that is probably the best for the long term. But then again, the Glazers don't really think long term when it comes to the footballing side.
Conte at United genuinely frightens me. Would win the league and play banter football while doing it.
By Willkiller Go To PostBruce caretakerWhat's Joe Kinnear up to these days.
Edit: Oh fuck, he has dementia.
By Andrew Go To PostWhat's Joe Kinnear up to these days.
Edit: Oh fuck, he has dementia.
Woodward: "He's perfect"
By Daz Go To PostWas Juan field under LVG?
Yep. It all started when Fellaini bullied Ryan Mason in that 3-0 vs Spurs after months of turgid football. Just 90 minutes of pure domination that came out of nowhere.
Then we went to Anfield and played the best I have ever seen us play there in the first half. 2-1 flattered them.
Think there was a win vs Villa before the 4-2 vs City, then after that it was back to unmitigated shit until Rashford came of age a year later.
By inky Go To PostHas a manager ever gone: "I'm not good enough for the job" then resigned?Keegan with England
By n8 dogg Go To PostYep. It all started when Fellaini bullied Ryan Mason in that 3-0 vs Spurs after months of turgid football. Just 90 minutes of pure domination that came out of nowhere.LVG always had Klopp's number though.
Then we went to Anfield and played the best I have ever seen us play there in the first half. 2-1 flattered them.
Think there was a win vs Villa before the 4-2 vs City, then after that it was back to unmitigated shit until Rashford came of age a year later.
By Daz Go To PostLVG always had Klopp's number though.
Only played them three times with United vs Klopp. 1-0 in league, and 1-3 in the EL.
By n8 dogg Go To PostOnly played them three times with United vs Klopp. 1-0 in league, and 1-3 in the EL.I recall us beating Pool quite a few times with lvg. Maybe it wasn't Klopp.
Another LVG plus. He gave youth a chance. The academy was producing mostly duds back then, but he tried them anyway. Bring me your Blacketts and your Borthwick-Jacksons.
Shame the actual football was mind meltingly boring.
Shame the actual football was mind meltingly boring.
By Daz Go To PostI recall us beating Pool quite a few times with lvg. Maybe it wasn't Klopp.
Beat them 3-1 in Martial’s debut and 2-1 at Anfield in Brendan’s final season.
By Laboured Go To PostThis is not the After Dark thread, cousin.It's after dark somewhere
For banter reasons, LVG and Moyes have been my favorite Utd managers since Fergie. LVG because he was just the biggest character in the world, and Moyes because of the whole Moyes Boys thing and how excited Nate was about it. I honestly thought at the time it was a great hire. It made total sense. I'm still surprised how spectacularly he failed because I think he's a good coach.
How can you beat this?
Mourinho, I mostly just felt bad for the players and fans. He's just a toxic asshole and I don't like seeing negativity like that. It's not my cup of tea. We're watching this new Netflix show Maid and so much bad stuff happens to her and I honestly hate nearly every second of it, but we're 7 episodes in and I just want to see the end at least. I cannot recommend this show at all.
I have no clue if Conte came if he'd really turn them around or not. You'd think so, but traditional wisdom hasn't really played out for Utd post-Fergie.
How can you beat this?
Mourinho, I mostly just felt bad for the players and fans. He's just a toxic asshole and I don't like seeing negativity like that. It's not my cup of tea. We're watching this new Netflix show Maid and so much bad stuff happens to her and I honestly hate nearly every second of it, but we're 7 episodes in and I just want to see the end at least. I cannot recommend this show at all.
I have no clue if Conte came if he'd really turn them around or not. You'd think so, but traditional wisdom hasn't really played out for Utd post-Fergie.
By FootbalIFan Go To PostManutd with Mourinho were toxic and boring and shit. Prefer the power of the smile version of united.I know you hate all things Madrid and Mourinho, and as such can't overcome your bias to formulate any reasonable discussion on this specific topic but how can you say Ole has done well and Mou was just shit? Understanding that not everyone cares about trophies/results, and are able to find wins in other aspects of the sports (i.e., play style), but how can you say one manager was good and the other was bad with such contrast? According to your post, if Mou was shit, how is Ole also not shit?
Ole has done well to improve the mood at manutd and has gotten good stuff going but it's clear he's out of his depth to develop the team any further. Need a proper coach there.
Also what does "improving the mood" even mean? What mood did Ole improve? And if Ole did improve mood, where is he today with that improvement? And what good stuff has Ole got going at United accoridng to you? That he plays the younglings? That he gives others outside the usual starting 11 a shot? What does that matter if today's United look so inept and lost, I would argue more clueless than Mou United.
I'll caveat my response with saying that I don't think Mourinho is the right manager for United for various reasons, and that Mourinho clearly has his faults, and that as much as I love Mourinho his time as a top-tier manager is behind him.
By Daz Go To PostI recall us beating Pool quite a few times with lvg. Maybe it wasn't Klopp.The 2-1 N8 is talking about was the downfall of Brendan and the Stevie G red after 30 seconds.
Moyes was the peak, the fall from grace, the banter, everyone else has been quite boring - except Ole at times.
By Meier Go To PostWe're watching this new Netflix show Maid and so much bad stuff happens to her and I honestly hate nearly every second of it, but we're 7 episodes in and I just want to see the end at least. I cannot recommend this show at all.I've found it a really hard watch and had to take quite a few multi-day breaks between episodes. It's well made and all that, just incredibly unpleasant for a multitude of reasons. Especially so when you have experienced things depicted in the show.
By Cleff Go To PostAnother LVG plus. He gave youth a chance. The academy was producing mostly duds back then, but he tried them anyway.This irks me a lot. We barely got a chance to see if Gomes really wasn't all that before he was gone. Like I'm supposed to trust Oles judgement on that. Under LVG I saw the youffs and could have a clear opinion on them.
Being me your Blacketts and your Borthwick-Jacksons.
Ole talks big about youth and united dna and everything, but he's here sending Chong away (i never rated him, but he seems to be doing more than fine), and Garner away without giving them a look, even the young lads that were bought under him like Amad have never got a chance. The cunt doesn't even trust his subs and runs the starters into the ground even during quiet periods of the season, he doesn't have time for youth; he'd rather show up at Lingard's place with a box of chocolates to convince him to play 5 games a season for us than take a punt with someone else.
So it bothers me when people act like Greenwood is on him for example.
Ole would never play youth, he's always fighting to keep his job. He'd never trust youth, due to cowardice.
Eh I don't mind what Solksjaer has done with the academy. They need to play somewhere before they get a shot at United. We've now a proper set up at the academy where we didn't before. They decide what player is now too good for youth football and where they should go.
It's just a different way of doing things compared to LVG. Besides, it's probably best that some young players weren't thrown in at the deep end this season.
We have an issue with Amad though. I think he has huge potential, but injury and lack of game time could stall his progress. And bringing in the wrong manager could be equally as bad.
It's just a different way of doing things compared to LVG. Besides, it's probably best that some young players weren't thrown in at the deep end this season.
We have an issue with Amad though. I think he has huge potential, but injury and lack of game time could stall his progress. And bringing in the wrong manager could be equally as bad.
I thought this was interesting for various reasons:
- big money clubs like PSG, Madrid, Barca* have a strong youth system but integrate big player purchases with their youth. More Madrid and Barca given their financial setup, less PSG
- it is no coincidence that there are so many Ligue 1 young talent everywhere given this list, they really are in some golden generation
- surprised to see Arsenal in there, would be interesring to see them with a competent manager to develop their youth
- kinda surprised the other big EPL clubs aren't listed but I guess when you have so much money it doesn't really matter
- big money clubs like PSG, Madrid, Barca* have a strong youth system but integrate big player purchases with their youth. More Madrid and Barca given their financial setup, less PSG
- it is no coincidence that there are so many Ligue 1 young talent everywhere given this list, they really are in some golden generation
- surprised to see Arsenal in there, would be interesring to see them with a competent manager to develop their youth
- kinda surprised the other big EPL clubs aren't listed but I guess when you have so much money it doesn't really matter
By Andrew Go To PostMoyes was the peak, the fall from grace, the banter, everyone else has been quite boring - except Ole at times.We watched a bunch in a row initially and eventually I said to my wife I can't watch any more of this right now and then it was like a week before watching another episode. I kept suggesting it in the interim and she was like but you don't like it and that's true, but I also hate just leaving shows unfinished. May as well rip the band-aid off and continue to hope there is a happy ending all while being so uncomfortable with every second. There really hasn't been a redeeming factor that makes the painfulness bearable because she self-sabotages as well.
I've found it a really hard watch and had to take quite a few multi-day breaks between episodes. It's well made and all that, just incredibly unpleasant for a multitude of reasons. Especially so when you have experienced things depicted in the show.
United must generate an insane amount of money, they should throw every dollar at Conte and back him up on everything.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostI thought this was interesting for various reasons:I am relatively surprised at Madrid being tied for first still. Have they had a decent academy prospect in years? It looks like even in their first team they only have 3 guys who came from their academy -- Dani Carvajal, Lucas Vasquez and Nacho.. and all of them are nearly 30 or older. I guess a lot of them may be legacy players or kicking around at smaller teams in Spain.
- big money clubs like PSG, Madrid, Barca* have a strong youth system but integrate big player purchases with their youth. More Madrid and Barca given their financial setup, less PSG
- it is no coincidence that there are so many Ligue 1 young talent everywhere given this list, they really are in some golden generation
- surprised to see Arsenal in there, would be interesring to see them with a competent manager to develop their youth
- kinda surprised the other big EPL clubs aren't listed but I guess when you have so much money it doesn't really matter
Arsenal is impressive given their lack of B team -- as expected, all of the others have one.
By Meier Go To PostI am relatively surprised at Madrid being tied for first still. Have they had a decent academy prospect in years? It looks like even in their first team they only have 3 guys who came from their academy – Dani Carvajal, Lucas Vasquez and Nacho.. and all of them are nearly 30 or older. I guess a lot of them may be legacy players or kicking around at smaller teams in Spain.La Fabrica or Madrid's academy is well known to be one of the most established youth systems, its creation dates back to the 50's. You don't really hear much about it for numerous reasons, mainly because it's very hard for a youth player to break into a Madrid starting 11 or even the bench, and as such young players don't get a real chance to shine.
Arsenal is impressive given their lack of B team – as expected, all of the others have one.
Raul, Casillas, Juanfran are some of older names that came out of the academy. More recent names include:
Llorente
Hakimi
Morata
Saul
Reguilon
Raul De Tomas
Alonso
We currently have Nacho, Carvajal, Vasquez, Miguel and Mariano in our team from the academy. It's safe to say La Fabrica is a good cash cow for Madrid.
Some promising kids coming up include:
Arribas
Blanco
Bruno Iglesias (probably our best prospect right now)
and Miguel (he already broke into the first team)
