football is a money sport, what's new. super league would have been better if it went full american and reduced the financial advantage
until then just watch the championship
until then just watch the championship
I just hope I'll never have to see the day my club is being taken over by some rich lad from the Emirates or Russia.
By Meier Go To PostIf you look at it as a percentage increase over the lower teams then I bet City, Utd, Liverpool, etc. spend far lower over the teams at the bottom than in other top leagues. The teams at the top spend the most by a huge margin in every league. I bet Ajax and PSV spend 20-30 times more than FC Emmen. Hell, Porto, Benfica and Sporting probably spent 50 times Farense's budget. Bayern probably outspend Arminia Bielefeld by 20-30 times at least. It's all relative.
By FootbalIFan Go To PostCant you say this about any top team compared to teams smaller/worse than them though?We're not just talking about City's reserve team costing more than the worst teams in the league, City's reserve team costs more than everybody's first choice team unless you're called Manchester United or Chelsea. It's never been as bad as that before.
Eg.
Van de beek + diallo + telles, did those 3 bench players cost more than any of the EPL relegated teams first 11? I haven't checked and don't know. But I'm sure you could find some examples like that
City obviously would be the most expensive, but it's not like the other big 4-5 teams are playing on same transfer market power as Sheffield United
Benfica spent 3 to 4 times more than us and already had a better squad than us on paper yet we won.
Dreams can't be buy.
Dreams can't be buy.
By LFMartins86 Go To PostBenfica spent 3 to 4 times more than us and already had a better squad than us on paper yet we won.
Dreams can't be buy.
Last time I checked Benfica also had twice the amount of titles won.
I just checked
By Linius Go To PostLast time I checked Benfica also had twice the amount of titles won.Enjoy your ban, martins does not take to sporting banter well
I just checked
By LFMartins86 Go To PostBenfica spent 3 to 4 times more than us and already had a better squad than us on paper yet we won.And they've won significantly more trophies. Edit beaten by Linus.
Dreams can't be buy.
By FootbalIFan Go To PostEnjoy your ban, martins does not take to sporting banter well
Do I have another Wes saga on my hands here? I will not stand for this.
Big Porto fan by the way, welcome.
By Xpike Go To Postthe solution is to limit city obviously, not to choose 12 clubs to dope in a closed circle foreverCity's budget is lower than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich and PSG. Why should City specifically be limited?
The top teams in every single league spend overwhelmingly more than the lower ~15 every single year. The PL is inarguably the most competitive in terms of spending/revenue in top leagues in Europe.
United earned their superpower status. Chelsea bought theirs but at least it came from a man who cares about football and just happened to have the resources to create a super power. It’s still shit but I’d draw a distinction between a mega rich football fan buying a club and a state who seeks to buy a football club in the hope of gaining soft power and influence.
Chelsea are the lesser of the two evils. Still fucking, but not quite as cynical.
Chelsea are the lesser of the two evils. Still fucking, but not quite as cynical.
By Linius Go To PostLast time I checked Benfica also had twice the amount of titles won.This season? I was talking about this season.
I just checked
Doicare have a point mafia city made city a small england team in GREAT.manchester CITY was a joke small team before arabs Money Qatar . Manchester city have no identity no SOUL. Manchester city are a corrupted mafia team. MONEY killed competition..
By Willkiller Go To PostUnited earned their superpower status. Chelsea bought theirs but at least it came from a man who cares about football and just happened to have the resources to create a super power. It’s still shit but I’d draw a distinction between a mega rich football fan buying a club and a state who seeks to buy a football club in the hope of gaining soft power and influence.
Chelsea are the lesser of the two evils. Still fucking, but not quite as cynical.
Mainly this yeah. Most big clubs earned their current riches trough history and results. It feels like City (and other clubs with similar financial backing) skipped a big part of becoming a successful club.
When it comes to buying success I do admire the Red Bull group though. They're not just splurging money around but actually seem to find good buys, develop youth and play attacking football on top of that. It's still artificial as fuck but at least the football philosophy is there.
By Willkiller Go To PostUnited earned their superpower status. Chelsea bought theirs but at least it came from a man who cares about football and just happened to have the resources to create a super power. It’s still shit but I’d draw a distinction between a mega rich football fan buying a club and a state who seeks to buy a football club in the hope of gaining soft power and influence.right, will gets it. it has nothing to do with wealth, competitiveness, etc it's just about entitlement
Chelsea are the lesser of the two evils. Still fucking, but not quite as cynical.
City might spend less than some other mega clubs, but they still spend way more than they earn thanks to favorable above market deals and other creative shenanigans.
That has always been the thing. That they spend it smartly doesn't negate the fact that's it's all thanks to their state sponsors conjuring money out of nowhere for them. And yeah, no amount of creative accounting and phony legal victories will disprove this.
That has always been the thing. That they spend it smartly doesn't negate the fact that's it's all thanks to their state sponsors conjuring money out of nowhere for them. And yeah, no amount of creative accounting and phony legal victories will disprove this.
By Linius Go To PostMainly this yeah. Most big clubs earned their current riches trough history and results. It feels like City (and other clubs with similar financial backing) skipped a big part of becoming a successful club.There is not a single top club who has had long-term success that hasn't generally outspent everyone below them. Whether they became rich 50 or 100 years ago or not, they're usually in the biggest city in the country (or at least top 3) and have the largest opportunity for success due to the embedded larger fan base. Success in team sports is not hard to figure out. Money and population breed success in nearly every single case.
Méier papangu you are not city fan before mafia bought it RIGHT? CITY was millwall tie. City are a no real team for me
By Meier Go To PostCity's budget is lower than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich and PSG. Why should City specifically be limited?City have spent more money on their squad than everyone of those teams except for Bayern.
The top teams in every single league spend overwhelmingly more than the lower ~15 every single year. The PL is inarguably the most competitive in terms of spending/revenue in top leagues in Europe.
It's not that City have spent a bit more, they've spent a ridiculous amount more than 17 of the 19 English teams they're competing with to the point their reserve team is worth more than even Liverpool's first choice team.
Let me put it this way.
I hate Man United, but I respect them. I don’t hate Man City, but I don’t respect them one bit.
I’d imagine most fans in England probably feel the same way.
I hate Man United, but I respect them. I don’t hate Man City, but I don’t respect them one bit.
I’d imagine most fans in England probably feel the same way.
By rerixo Go To Postright, will gets it. it has nothing to do with wealth, competitiveness, etc it's just about entitlementEarning your success isn't entitlement.
By Willkiller Go To PostLet me put it this way.Pretty much this.
I hate Man United, but I respect them. I don’t hate Man City, but I don’t respect them one bit.
I’d imagine most fans in England probably feel the same way.
By Meier Go To PostThere is not a single top club who has had long-term success that hasn't generally outspent everyone below them. Whether they became rich 50 or 100 years ago or not, they're usually in the biggest city in the country (or at least top 3) and have the largest opportunity for success due to the embedded larger fan base. Success in team sports is not hard to figure out. Money and population breed success in nearly every single case.
The thing is that you reach that point by thinking out a strategy for the long term and gradually growing your club. The only reason City is relevant today is because some guy from the Emirates roughly 10 years ago decided to pump money into the club. That has nothing to do with football in my humble opinion.
But as I often said before. I do enjoy watching City, some great players and in general pretty fun football to watch. But we don't have to dance around the fact that it's created completely artificially. And it's also something you as a fan can't help either. Be proud of your club and their success, but it's a bit silly to defend how the club got there.
On a sidenote, TIFO released a pretty good video on how Bayern became the powerhouse they are today recently. Gives some good insights to how Hoeness transformed the club and layed the foundations for the future financially.
Seems like the Super Cup final is being moved from Belfast to Istanbul. Probably as an apology for taking the CL final away from them.
Shame as Belfast is a pretty decent city to go to for a few nights. Lots of good pubs around provided you stay away from the overly sectarian areas.
Shame as Belfast is a pretty decent city to go to for a few nights. Lots of good pubs around provided you stay away from the overly sectarian areas.
By Meier Go To PostCity's budget is lower than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich and PSG. Why should City specifically be limited?then limit all of them, easy
The top teams in every single league spend overwhelmingly more than the lower ~15 every single year. The PL is inarguably the most competitive in terms of spending/revenue in top leagues in Europe.
By Doicare Go To PostEarning your success isn't entitlement.
Pretty much this.
If you earn success I think you’re somewhat entitled to it, you have to continue to earn it though. That’s why the super league was so disgusting.
Wealth can buy you success. No doubt. But prepare to lose something in the minds of the fans that make up the game if you go from a nothing club to a superpower overnight. City, Chelsea, PSG, all successful and huge clubs now, but they get the jokes, the digs, the jibes about buying it and they always will.
As Mou would say, this is football heritage.
theres also a reason no one really cares when city wins a title, its the equivalent of the rich kid at school showing up with the science fair project that their parents clearly did for them
thinking that earning success entitles you to more of it sounds very pro israel lads
By Willkiller Go To PostLet me put it this way.surely people respect united's history rather than modern united? i don't think anyone respects any recent accomplishments of these huge teams. when united/real madrid/juve/etc win something, no respect is earned. only teams like leicester earn any respect in top flight football
I hate Man United, but I respect them. I don’t hate Man City, but I don’t respect them one bit.
I’d imagine most fans in England probably feel the same way.
I don't mind the "bought success" jibes. It is what it is.
Honestly, it baffles me when I see fans rise to those taunts.
Honestly, it baffles me when I see fans rise to those taunts.
By Doicare Go To PostCity have spent more money on their squad than everyone of those teams except for Bayern.As I've mentioned repeatedly, that is the case in effectively every single league in the world so it's pretty irrelevant. The TV revenue in England means that the lowest revenue clubs in England are still only making perhaps 3-4 times less than the clubs at the top. In most leagues it's a factor of 20-50. Having and spending more money was the key to all of United's Premier League success. This is not a new concept.
It's not that City have spent a bit more, they've spent a ridiculous amount more than 17 of the 19 English teams they're competing with to the point their reserve team is worth more than even Liverpool's first choice team.
By Xpike Go To Posttheres also a reason no one really cares when city wins a title, its the equivalent of the rich kid at school showing up with the science fair project that their parents clearly did for them
Yeah anything they win is like “okay?” to me.
By Xpike Go To Posttheres also a reason no one really cares when city wins a title, its the equivalent of the rich kid at school showing up with the science fair project that their parents clearly did for them"Not caring" always conveniently involves repeatedly talking about not caring too, somehow. Sour grapes. *shrugs*
By rerixo Go To Postthinking that earning success entitles you to more of it sounds very pro israel lads
surely people respect united's history rather than modern united? i don't think anyone respects any recent accomplishments of these huge teams. when united/real madrid/juve/etc win something, no respect is earned. only teams like leicester earn any respect in top flight football
Wtf is that first part of your post?
Anyway, aside from that bollocks....yeah....kinda, but the history is there. It cannot be erased. I get history has to start somewhere and for clubs going forward all the clubs that come from nowhere to being huge powers in the game that will almost certainly come from huge cash Injections. But for clubs like United, they will always have that history before this explosion of wealth in the game, and imo it will always count for more. If Jeff Beezos decided to buy MK Dons would they deserve respect? Would they fuck.
I’m saying this as a fan of a club who came a hair away from becoming the richest club in the world. If the intention of the Saudis was to turn us into a Man City, would I have celebrated every success that came our way? Of course I would have. Would I have felt in my heart that we didn’t truly deserve it....of course I would have.
By domino Go To PostYeah anything they win is like “okay?” to me.
Liverpool winning the league last year felt important. There was jokes about the * but it still felt important. City winning this year feels.....like nothing. It feels clinical and sterile.
If United won it again it would feel important. If Chelsea won it again it would feel similar (though not the same) as City.
Coincidence?
Linius are a GOOD poster.. city have no real fans.. ali are bagwangons papangus.. City are a mafia team. Why you support a team like this Méier? City Money are coming from killing slaves in asia.. Méier You should be shamefoul TO SUPPORT CITY..
By Willkiller Go To PostLiverpool winning the league last year felt important. There was jokes about the * but it still felt important. City winning this year feels…..like nothing. It feels clinical and sterile.Totally agree
If United won it again it would feel important. If Chelsea won it again it would feel similar (though not the same) as City.
Coincidence?
city winning is just the default, just like bayern or juve or psg, anyone else winning is the fun part of the sport
By inky Go To Posttifo is part of the Athletic now
Ah that makes sense. It’s basically the same kind of content. Usually it’s written articles being turned into videos, I like it. Since I’m a lazy bum and watch this kind of content when I’m having dinner.
By Eduaraujo Go To PostLinius are a GOOD poster.. city have no real fans.. ali are bagwangons papangus.. City are a mafia team. Why you support a team like this Méier? City Money are coming from killing slaves in asia.. Méier You should be shamefoul TO SUPPORT CITY..Papangus, I have been a City fan since the early 2000s when I got into soccer more extensively. I've got the receipts for you right here even:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-ultimate-gaffer-sports-fan-list.123365/
By rerixo Go To Postthinking that earning success entitles you to more of it sounds very pro israel lads
By Meier Go To PostPapangus, I have been a City fan since the early 2000s when I got into soccer more extensively I've got the reciepts for you right here even:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-ultimate-gaffer-sports-fan-list.123365/
Why are you biting?
By Meier Go To PostAs I've mentioned repeatedly, that is the case in effectively every single league in the world so it's pretty irrelevant. The TV revenue in England means that the lowest revenue clubs in England are still only making perhaps 3-4 times less than the clubs at the top. In most leagues it's a factor of 20-50. Having and spending more money was the key to all of United's Premier League success. This is not a new concept.You keep ignoring this point so i'll say it again so you can't miss it, we're not talking about a team spending a bit more money, we're talking about Man City's RESERVE team costing more than the first choice teams of 17 of the 19 teams they complete with. PSG's reserve 11 does not cost more than 17 of the 19 teams they compete with, nor does Juve's, Bayern's or Barca's. This has gotten to a whole other level of stupid.
Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan. Méier support this guy papangu comment Linius. . Méier became a city fan only in 2008 just PATETIC
By Meier Go To PostPapangus, I have been a City fan since the early 2000s when I got into soccer more extensively. I've got the receipts for you right here even:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-ultimate-gaffer-sports-fan-list.123365/
Hahaha, those colors behind the teamnames. Very American my friend.
I support the West Ham Irons.
By R436 Go To PostWhy are you biting?Waiting on my dinner order to be ready, might as well!
By Doicare Go To PostYou keep ignoring this point so i'll say it again so you can't miss it, we're not talking about a team spending a bit more money, we're talking about Man City's RESERVE team costing more than 17 of the 19 teams they complete with. PSG's reserve 11 does not cost more than 17 of the 19 teams they compete with, nor does Juve's, Bayern's or Barca's. This has gotten to a whole other level of stupid.City's "reserve team" costing more is because City is smart about their spending and spreads it around. If you pay 100m for one player who starts or two for 50m, you've spent the same amount but maybe one of them is a "reserve."