By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostThe image is clearly used to poke fun at Meghan, because she said something along the lines of "feeling suffocated" due to how racist the royal family was being towards her. (…) Her experiences with bigotry aren't valid, because she's not poor. Her suicidal ideations were not in fact caused by rampant racism, because she exists in to high of a tax bracket.
That’s your interpretation, and another would be that they are satirizing how Meghan used a tragic death that shocked the world for personal gain. It’s hard to believe it’s not calculated considering how scripted these interviews are. Is satirizing that, racist by default?
By blackace Go To PostApparently you can only be racist if proven by law.
Think it’s important to debate how the cartoon constitutes hate speech and whether or not it should be rightfully censored. Censorship isn’t a joke.
I believe at the core of my heart that racism should be censored. It’s a crime against humanity, it’s Stone Age, it’s ugly and tragic. It’s at the root of most of society’s problems, directly or indirectly. I don’t believe we should have the right to say anything we want, but at the same time we cannot censor everything we deem offensive. By saying it’s racist, we are trying to censor it.
By cRrusheR Go To PostI believe at the core of my heart that racism should be censored. It’s a crime against humanity, it’s Stone Age, it’s ugly and tragic. It’s at the root of most of society’s problems, directly or indirectly. I don’t believe we should have the right to say anything we want, but at the same time we cannot censor everything we deem offensive. By saying it’s racist, we are trying to censor it.no
we're just saying its racist lol. why you making up new qualifiers
By cRrusheR Go To PostThat’s your interpretation, and another would be that they are satirizing how Meghan used a tragic death that shocked the world for personal gain. It’s hard to believe it’s not calculated considering how scripted these interviews are. Is satirizing that, racist by default?
Surely you jest.
Think it’s important to debate how the cartoon constitutes hate speech and whether or not it should be rightfully censored. Censorship isn’t a joke.
You are literally the only one here talking about censorship. I get it though. Your favorite rappers got shot and now they're the greatest of all times.
By cRrusheR Go To PostI believe at the core of my heart that racism should be censored. It’s a crime against humanity, it’s Stone Age, it’s ugly and tragic. It’s at the root of most of society’s problems, directly or indirectly. I don’t believe we should have the right to say anything we want, but at the same time we cannot censor everything we deem offensive. By saying it’s racist, we are trying to censor it.First you have to realize that you can say and do things that are racist but are protected by the law before you can even have that conversation. Because now you definitely sound like some who buys Ray Bands right now.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostSurely you jest.
You are literally the only one here talking about censorship. I get it though. Your favorite rappers got shot and now they're the greatest of all times.
I jest? You trying to convince me that an interview planned months in advance, where every question and every response is looked over and coached endlessly to reach a desired outcome... is nothing of the sort? She used Floyd’s death, it can be easily argued. I’m sure she could’ve avoided that allusion with ease, but she didn’t.
I’m talking censorship because it goes hand in hand. If it’s racist then it should be censored, otherwise what the fuck are we doing here? Not trying to change anything? Cant accept that.
By blackace Go To PostFirst you have to realize that you can say and do things that are racist but are protected by the law before you can even have that conversation. Because now you definitely sound like some who buys Ray Bands right now.
Sure but the point is to set new standards right? You can’t say it’s racist just because you want to say it’s racist. Ideally you say it’s racist because it is and therefore it should be censored. Because racism should be unacceptable, we’re not just shooting the shit here. So if you don’t want to censor it, why say it’s racist? How can they be detached from one another? Is it possible for racism to be unacceptable by accepting it without calling for meaningful consequences?
By blackace Go To PostPretty sure censoring hate doesn't make it go away, but it's a nice thought.
Censoring anything doesn’t make it go away but it does help in defining standards on what is acceptable and what is not.
By DY_nasty Go To Postwhere are you getting the racism=censored thing from
I'm lost on that one still
How is it not? Sure to be actual censorship it needs to be official, hence I’m saying an attempt at or a that it’s a defense of.
Censorship isn’t bad by definition, it’s welcomed actually. We do it all the time, it’s part of change.
Racism has to be censored. It’s part of the process.
okay so like.... this has gone from understanding the racism and how its not even creative or new to your own personal takes on the impact of censorship then
and I don't think anyone will be able to really sell censorship as a key or lead factor in eliminating racism anywhere really.
and I don't think anyone will be able to really sell censorship as a key or lead factor in eliminating racism anywhere really.
By cRrusheR Go To PostCensoring anything doesn’t make it go away but it does help in defining standards on what is acceptable and what is not.We have had that for 30 years now. The results are people saying you can't say anything you find offensive is racism 😂
Do you believe racism can exist within the law?
If you're suicidal, then yes, it might feel exactly as how she described it to be. Do you know how tired it is, to hear about how black women aren't telling the truth about the scenarios that happen in their lives? Like, I'm literally one of the last people on this board, to have this discussion with. More to the point...she's lieing about The Royal Family being racist? Wasn't her man dressed up in a Nazi costume, back in the day? lmfao. These folks literally had to do photo-ops with black people, the minute she pulled their cards. Again, it's the royal family...the royal family. We're in conspiracy theory territory.
I can tell you exactly what ya'll have been doing. Going to bat for simplistic ass, edgy fucks like these, instead of letting them float away into the winds of irrelevancy. How are you even going to decide what needs to be censored? There will always be some well meaning individuals, doing the exact same shit that you're currently doing now: arguing against why something isn't racist, when a group of people explained how it was, because it doesn't fit your narrow ass viewpoint of what defines racism.
Germany was way better than the states, in regards to how they handled propaganda from WWII...until they weren't. Censoring Wolfenstein sure did keep the rise of far right ideology from spreading.
I would love for Newsmax, OAN, and Fox News to cease existing. Guess what though, they're not the only ones that profit off of bigotry in the states. The other news stations do as well: they just move under the guise of being liberal and "right".
I can tell you exactly what ya'll have been doing. Going to bat for simplistic ass, edgy fucks like these, instead of letting them float away into the winds of irrelevancy. How are you even going to decide what needs to be censored? There will always be some well meaning individuals, doing the exact same shit that you're currently doing now: arguing against why something isn't racist, when a group of people explained how it was, because it doesn't fit your narrow ass viewpoint of what defines racism.
Germany was way better than the states, in regards to how they handled propaganda from WWII...until they weren't. Censoring Wolfenstein sure did keep the rise of far right ideology from spreading.
I would love for Newsmax, OAN, and Fox News to cease existing. Guess what though, they're not the only ones that profit off of bigotry in the states. The other news stations do as well: they just move under the guise of being liberal and "right".
the censorship bit is more confusing to me than the isitracist part tbh...
slurs, fucked up imagery/caricatures, stuff across media in general is so extremely small in regards to racism that any amount of censorship across that environment is more self serving than anything else. its almost always far more convenient to hide and disguise discriminatory stuff by creating the appearance that it doesn't exist than to actually address it properly.
slurs, fucked up imagery/caricatures, stuff across media in general is so extremely small in regards to racism that any amount of censorship across that environment is more self serving than anything else. its almost always far more convenient to hide and disguise discriminatory stuff by creating the appearance that it doesn't exist than to actually address it properly.
Where did I say she was lying about the Royal family being racist? It seems impossible for them not be considering their conditioning.
I don’t understand the question nor your first point.
Seems to me that censoring racism has played a positive role in promoting new standards. I’m not debating that this is a light switch but if you think censorship has no effect then that’s just... I don’t even know what to say. Seems completely removed from historical reality.
You’re just arguing that some forms of racism are worse than others. Of course that censoring racist speech isn’t going to end racism. But these are symbols and symbols have meaning, and it might not put a kid in college but it might stop a kid from looking at kids from other races as inherently different and inferior. Is this even a debate Dy? Really, are you really having this much trouble understanding this? I don’t believe you for one second. But I agree with you that censoring racism won’t make it go away by itself, not even close. There’s no light switch here.
By blackace Go To PostWe have had that for 30 years now. The results are people saying you can't say anything you find offensive is racism 😂
Do you believe racism can exist within the law?
I don’t understand the question nor your first point.
Seems to me that censoring racism has played a positive role in promoting new standards. I’m not debating that this is a light switch but if you think censorship has no effect then that’s just... I don’t even know what to say. Seems completely removed from historical reality.
By DY_nasty Go To Postthe censorship bit is more confusing to me than the isitracist part tbh…
slurs, fucked up imagery/caricatures, stuff across media in general is so extremely small in regards to racism that any amount of censorship across that environment is more self serving than anything else. its almost always far more convenient to hide and disguise discriminatory stuff by creating the appearance that it doesn't exist than to actually address it properly.
You’re just arguing that some forms of racism are worse than others. Of course that censoring racist speech isn’t going to end racism. But these are symbols and symbols have meaning, and it might not put a kid in college but it might stop a kid from looking at kids from other races as inherently different and inferior. Is this even a debate Dy? Really, are you really having this much trouble understanding this? I don’t believe you for one second. But I agree with you that censoring racism won’t make it go away by itself, not even close. There’s no light switch here.
Without wading to deep into an already existent convo, I will say there’s a difference between censorship and deplatforming.
I don’t think either one cures the problem, but man when was the last time Milo was making big news? Trump has to type out a letter and have his comms team send it out in order to get a message on Twitter.
Can’t deplatform hebdo tho.
I don’t think either one cures the problem, but man when was the last time Milo was making big news? Trump has to type out a letter and have his comms team send it out in order to get a message on Twitter.
Can’t deplatform hebdo tho.
The point is censoring stuff wholesale leads to argument very much like your own, demanding absolute proof that something is illegally racist.
The question is not hard. Under hate speech laws that we have now, do you think someone can do something racist but still be within the context of the law?
The question is not hard. Under hate speech laws that we have now, do you think someone can do something racist but still be within the context of the law?
By cRrusheR Go To PostSeems completely removed from historical reality.well can to share historical facts that show censorship stamping out racism?
Other laws have done good, but wholesale censorship? 😂
By Fenderputty Go To PostWithout wading to deep into an already existent convo, I will say there’s a difference between censorship and deplatforming.This is the most relevant they've been since getting shot up tho
I don’t think either one cures the problem, but man when was the last time Milo was making big news? Trump has to type out a letter and have his comms team send it out in order to get a message on Twitter.
Can’t deplatform hebdo tho.
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By Fenderputty Go To PostWithout wading to deep into an already existent convo, I will say there’s a difference between censorship and deplatforming.
I don’t think either one cures the problem, but man when was the last time Milo was making big news? Trump has to type out a letter and have his comms team send it out in order to get a message on Twitter.
Can’t deplatform hebdo tho.
100%
By DY_nasty Go To PostThis is the most relevant they've been since getting shot up tho
american pre-packaged racism ready for distribution and already market tested? why buy crypto when you got ez money like this
Also, this.
By blackace Go To PostThe point is censoring stuff wholesale leads to argument very much like your own, demanding absolute proof that something is illegally racist.
The question is not hard. Under hate speech laws that we have now, do you think someone can do something racist but still be within the context of the law?
It’s a disingenuous question. Basically you’re asking me if the law is perfect, as if it’s not constantly changing by virtue of new interpretations, new precedents, amendments and so on. The intention of the law is the point. You don’t know what would happen in a court, and you can’t point at history and say “nothing ever changes”.
I can be a thief and not be considered one under the law. But I can argue that I should be considered one.
By blackace Go To Postwell can to share historical facts that show censorship stamping out racism?
Other laws have done good, but wholesale censorship? 😂
I was arguing that censorship is a tool that can be used to great effect. For good and bad. Unfortunately dictators have been the ones to show how successful it can get. You’re asking me about wholesale censorship eliminating racism? Is there a big picture here? What kind of question is this?
Not so long ago a group of people could gather around and decide to spread anti gay flyers in schools. They argued it was free speech and up until a certain point it was, because it was accepted up until a certain point. Did that fix everything? No, but it helped in creating an environment where kids now turn on the TV and cheer when Ru Paul shows up. To me this is not meaningless, worthless or a dead end.
but would you argue that calling you a thief isn't right because I was offended by you stealing?
and I can point at history and say a lot less has changed than people want to admit.
and I can point at history and say a lot less has changed than people want to admit.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThis is the most relevant they've been since getting shot up tho
american pre-packaged racism ready for distribution and already market tested? why buy crypto when you got ez money like this
Yeah you can’t deplatform Hebdo.
By Fenderputty Go To PostYeah you can’t deplatform Hebdo.its france lol
By blackace Go To Postbut would you argue that calling you a thief isn't right because I was offended by you stealing?
and I can point at history and say a lot less has changed than people want to admit.
We would at least argue what it was that I stole, no? You would have to make a compelling case for why I am a thief.
“than people want to admit” is subjective, but what is true is that we are never changing fast enough until racism is no longer an institutional disease that plagues us all.
By cRrusheR Go To PostWe would at least argue what it was that I stole, no? You would have to make a compelling case for why I am a thief.Yeah and ignoring horrible racist stuff by claiming it's just crass doesn't help that goal.
“than people want to admit” is subjective, but what is true is that we are never changing fast enough until racism is no longer an institutional disease that plagues us all.
Also the bolded is rich considering the conversation went from prove it's racist to my beliefs are racism should be censored .
By blackace Go To PostYeah and ignoring horrible racist stuff by claiming it's just crass doesn't help that goal.
I’m not ignoring, which does not preclude me from ignorantly stumble through this conversation. But I’m not afraid of that, I have activist friends, this is just another opportunity to expand. Ain’t no silent majority member, I actually believe we can make this happen.
By blackace Go To PostAlso the bolded is rich considering the conversation went from prove it's racist to my beliefs are racism should be censored .
Conversation didn’t “went from”, it’s a media piece. It’s directly correlated with it. We aren’t talking about what some guy said while waiting in the supermarket line.
Honestly you should stop with this “gotcha” shit.
If the cartoon is racist, Charlie Hebdo should be censored. I don’t believe it’s racist and I ask you to prove it, by at least presenting forward your arguments. Otherwise it is empty, a reaction to how offensive it feels, and by deeming it racist you are labeling it hate speech. This isn’t a tangent, it’s directly correlated.
By cRrusheR Go To PostI’m not ignoring, which does not preclude me from ignorantly stumble through this conversation. But I’m not afraid of that, I have activist friends, this is just another opportunity to expand. Ain’t no silent majority member, I actually believe we can make this happen."hey this is racist."
"Prove it!"
you definitely are not silent 😂
this is such a tangent from the posts that started this tho lol...
is it racist
yes
but in what world is removing visibility of racism in media any solution to practiced racism? can't even wrap my head around that. it doesn't even move the scale for symbolic victories.... hell if anything the lack of racial narrative in an area is the biggest red flag you can identify these days
edit: "I have activist friends" ight im out frfr
edit2: lol
is it racist
yes
but in what world is removing visibility of racism in media any solution to practiced racism? can't even wrap my head around that. it doesn't even move the scale for symbolic victories.... hell if anything the lack of racial narrative in an area is the biggest red flag you can identify these days
edit: "I have activist friends" ight im out frfr
edit2: lol
By blackace Go To Post"hey this is racist."
"Prove it!"
you definitely are not silent 😂
Actually I asked how was it racist. You threw the question back and have yet to give a single reason for it, just dragging it out.
By DY_nasty Go To Postthis is such a tangent from the posts that started this tho lol…
is it racist
yes
but in what world is removing visibility of racism in media any solution to practiced racism? can't even wrap my head around that. it doesn't even move the scale for symbolic victories…. hell if anything the lack of racial narrative in an area is the biggest red flag you can identify these days
edit: "I have activist friends" ight im out frfr
edit2: lol
Well yes, having activist friends have made it so that I’m not afraid to be wrong. Because when I’m wrong it’s not a rejection of who I am, but a rejection of an ill informed opinion I have. Is this wrong Dy? Or you just want another fight?
activists really worth more than black people this shit is wild
and here we were collectively humoring this dumb shit first thing in the morning too
and here we were collectively humoring this dumb shit first thing in the morning too
By rerixo Go To Postremember je suis charlieA movement that tried to get me to identify with racists and the French... not for me, Clive
The irony of suggesting society censor racism while also arguing a racist thing isn’t racist is just ....
Fuck man ... it’s Monday and the time changed. I don’t have energy for this
Fuck man ... it’s Monday and the time changed. I don’t have energy for this
I don’t think it’s anyone’s job to explain how that “satire” cartoon is just straight up racist.
It is, if you don’t see that I can’t help you lol.
It is, if you don’t see that I can’t help you lol.
Chances are if a black person says it's racist then it's probably racist. If multiple black people say it's racist then it's definitely racist. We tend to have experience with this sort of thing.
Pretty sure the answer was using a hate crime, as a way to explain the poor treatment of a minority by her in-laws. Is racial motived. it cheapens both the death of a man, and the mental pain the woman is suffering. They arent the same but are compared because......wait for it... wait for it...
both are black.
both are black.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe irony of suggesting society censor racism while also arguing a racist thing isn’t racist is just ….shit imagine if you were black lmao
Fuck man … it’s Monday and the time changed. I don’t have energy for this
By DY_nasty Go To Postactivists really worth more than black people this shit is wild
and here we were collectively humoring this dumb shit first thing in the morning too
You’re being an asshole. They are black activists, some of them with even more reasons to be oppressed than that, and I didn’t say black or got more specific than activists because I didn’t want to be that asshole. What matters is that I’m regularly confronted, and I’m not afraid of being wrong. A simple “your wrong I’m right” doesnt cut it though does it? Hell I even explained it to you, but you just want to fight. First thing in the morning too.
I get it, you’re angry and you have every right to be. But don’t you put all that shit on me.
By Lunatic Go To PostChances are if a black person says it's racist then it's probably racist. If multiple black people say it's racist then it's definitely racist. We tend to have experience with this sort of thing.
Fair enough. I’ll just get over myself.
By DY_nasty Go To Postim the asshole…………
Being right does not make you not an asshole. But don’t worry, it’s just seasoning, I still love ya
