By Perfect Blue Go To PostFender unreal privilege because none of this stuff actually affects him in any significant way.
Outside of direct payments, most everything effects me. My wife’s company has needed the covid loan to stay open. She’s laid off 70% of her workforce.
If people thought this was going to slide through untouched by Joe Manchin with a 50+1 margin, they were always fooling themselves.
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf people thought this was going to slide through untouched by Joe Manchin with a 50+1 margin, they were always fooling themselves.This is not the way.
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf people thought this was going to slide through untouched by Joe Manchin with a 50+1 margin, they were always fooling themselves.Heaven forbid they do too much for people or fulfill their promises.
Imagine just like taking the route of well people should just chill out about being without assistance for the roof over their head or the food for their mouths.
By DY_nasty Go To Postshits different when you can't just point at trump or republican of the week every few hoursdy, they only control the house, the senate and the WH. They can only do so much.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostThis is not the way.
Yeah reality often sucks. People should want to make his vote irrelevant by taking more seats but I suppose “Dems ain’t shit” will suffice.
By rodeoclown Go To PostHeaven forbid they do too much for people or fulfill their promises.
Dems should just of started with the Joe Manchin Bill and 2k checks and fought for more in amendments. The end result would be worse bill as a whole, but maybe people would feel better regardless
By DY_nasty Go To Postshits different when you can't just point at trump or republican of the week every few hours
Right?
By Fenderputty Go To PostYeah reality often sucks. People should want to make his vote irrelevant by taking more seats but I suppose “Dems ain’t shit” will suffice.Reality sucks? Jesus dude you do this to yourself 😂
Dems should just of started with the Joe Manchin Bill and 2k checks and fought for more in amendments. The end result would be worse bill as a whole, but maybe people would feel better regardless
If people think I’m happy with Joke Manchin just because I accept the reality of Joe Manchin, that’s on them.
Prior to Biden taking office plenty here doubted any stimulus would happen. Lol
Prior to Biden taking office plenty here doubted any stimulus would happen. Lol
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf people think I’m happy with Joke Manchin just because I accept the reality of Joe Manchin, that’s on them.No, no one thinks you're happy with manchin. they think you're more than content absolving the party as a whole by running the expectations are too high/procedure is complicated/it's ______'s fault cycle on repeat
gotta mix it up so you don't meme yourself ijs
By Fenderputty Go To PostPrior to Biden taking office plenty here doubted any stimulus would happen. Lol👏🏻 Lowered Expectations 👏🏻
By reilo Go To PostLowered Expectations: How Democrats keep an abusive relationship aliveIt literally started on day one when "voting for Warnock and Ossoff means $2000" became "$1400 + 600 = $2000" and people rushed to defend it.
By DY_nasty Go To PostNo, no one thinks you're happy with manchin. they think you're more than content absolving the party as a whole by running the expectations are too high/procedure is complicated/it's ______'s fault cycle on repeat
gotta mix it up so you don't meme yourself ijs
Meme away. Dgaf.
yes, we know you dgaf...
just saying you can't expect to be taken seriously doing that shit when you clearly LIKE being taken seriously itt
just saying you can't expect to be taken seriously doing that shit when you clearly LIKE being taken seriously itt
Comes a point where "lol what do you expect" is just really kicking people while they're down man, that's pretty much it.
By DY_nasty Go To Postyes, we know you dgaf…
just saying you can't expect to be taken seriously doing that shit when you clearly LIKE being taken seriously itt
I like serious discussion, I’ve been called Neoliberal and also an AOC Stan in this thread lol 😂
By i can get you a toe Go To PostComes a point where "lol what do you expect" is just really kicking people while they're down man, that's pretty much it.
If this bill fails, if Bernie doesn’t get right into a second reconciliation, if they don’t start legislation on minimum wage I’ll be there Dems ain’t shitting. Getting 90%+ of a good bill through a 50+1 margin isn’t my Dems ain’t shit line in the sand.
By DY_nasty Go To PostIf you like serious discussion then wtf is "reality sucks"
I’ve framed this numerous times in numerous ways in this thread but sure. Even then you cut off the rest of my full post and point. We need to make him less important
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf this bill fails, if Bernie doesn’t get right into a second reconciliation, if they don’t start legislation on minimum wage I’ll be there Dems ain’t shitting. Getting 90%+ of a good bill through a 50+1 margin isn’t my Dems ain’t shit line in the sand.You'd get less pushback if you stopped dictating the terms of when and where others should feel entirely disillusioned with the democratic party and their handling of distribution of assistance for people who really need it. Insulting them to boot for hoping for basic ass shit from the dems too, like why is this necessary?
After that tweet, the Sinema thing just seems like she's overplaying her hand by a ridiculously large amount. What's to be done about Manchin though? Clearly, somebody needs to pull him to the side and talk some sense into him. West Virginia is broke af, and they all could use the extra capital. It really seems like Biden and Kamala are going to have to lean on his ass, a little bit.
We out here acting like LBJs didn't exist that pulled people aside all of the time with a "you work with me on this or else..."
By i can get you a toe Go To PostWe out here acting like LBJs didn't exist that pulled people aside all of the time with a "you work with me on this or else…"
That's exactly why I brought it up. lol. Is anyone around that would do it, currently?
By i can get you a toe Go To PostYou'd get less pushback if you stopped dictating the terms of when and where others should feel entirely disillusioned with the democratic party and their handling of distribution of assistance for people who really need it and then insulting them to boot for hoping for basic ass shit from the dems.
My concern is that an unrealistic expectation of what Dems can currently do will lead to losses in 2022. We need To gain. Picking up two senate seats in 2022 removes Manchin and Sinema from the equation. That’s filibuster reform potential. There’s a reason Biden put Bernie in charge of reconciliation. Like I posted how this bill improved tbe ACA quietly and nobody gave a fuck lol
By i can get you a toe Go To PostWe out here acting like LBJs didn't exist that pulled people aside all of the time with a "you work with me on this or else…"
Do this and Manchin just becomes an Indy and caucuses with the GOP. We have to make his vote less important. Dudes the most powerful person in government currently
Also what Lieberman did lol
If the dems have let people like that hold the party hostage like that, they ain't shit bro. That's the whole fucking point.
Manchin is a Dem tbat wins in a state Biden lost by 40!
His presence means we have reconciliation as a tool bernie is current in charge of
His presence means we have reconciliation as a tool bernie is current in charge of
By i can get you a toe Go To PostWe out here acting like LBJs didn't exist that pulled people aside all of the time with a "you work with me on this or else…"Yeah, more than anything, this is just proving how utterly ineffective Biden is at whipping votes. He "approved" the cuts in stimulus payments and now can't even get Manchin to sign off on UI. What the hell is he doing?
By Fenderputty Go To PostIf people think I’m happy with Joke Manchin just because I accept the reality of Joe Manchin, that’s on them.Congrats, people are gonna get more money under Trump than Biden
Prior to Biden taking office plenty here doubted any stimulus would happen. Lol
By cashman Go To PostCongrats, people are gonna get more money under Trump than Biden
Yea that’s dumb. Manchin is forcing the Dems to do dumb shit
By i can get you a toe Go To PostIf the dems have let people like that hold the party hostage like that, they ain't shit bro. That's the whole fucking point.its really this simple
so its either intentional or comical - the fact the entire party is again usurped by one seat which damages their standing nationwide. its absurd that its validated so easily as if its some matter of course.
"we can't do anything. pls understand." its pathetic. republicans pushed through some shit nobody wanted then moon doored everyone who was tight about it. kiss the fuckin ring mitt.
if they can't deal with stuff like this for a fuckin layup then how are they gonna handle anything substantial such as student loans, housing, climate change, etc?
By Fenderputty Go To PostYea that’s dumb. Manchin is forcing the Dems to do dumb shitIt's more like Manchin is okay of being used as cover for this. If leadership really wanted to make a push than they would pressure him to fall in line.
Imagine floundering on a bill for shit tons of Americans not only want but desperately need.
Christ almighty.
Christ almighty.
By cashman Go To PostIt's more like Manchin is okay of being used as cover for this. If leadership really wanted to make a push than they would pressure him to fall in line.
I believe he would pull a Lieberman and just tell Schumer to F off and become and Indy.
in case int. slaent wants to know how ridiculous this "but but but manchin" thing is, here's how we've repeated history in a short version: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/16/joe-lieberman-barack-obama-us-healthcare
the current rhetoric is only going to give manchin more power and the party greater freedom to use him as an out to fuck people over. but idk i just live here
the current rhetoric is only going to give manchin more power and the party greater freedom to use him as an out to fuck people over. but idk i just live here
The irony of 2009 is that we had a super majority but it was filled with blue dogs like Lieberman. The T was a non starter for the ARRA. We were still riding off of “debt is bad” narratives from the 90’s. Obama had to brag about deficit reductions. We currently have much more unity and consensus around fiscal expansion than then.
And again, Lieberman left the party because of pressure regarding the ACA
We have 52 in the senate Manchin get nothing right now.
And again, Lieberman left the party because of pressure regarding the ACA
We have 52 in the senate Manchin get nothing right now.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe irony of 2009 is that we had a super majority but it was filled with blue dogs like Lieberman. The T was a non starter for the ARRA. We were still riding off of “debt is bad” narratives from the 90’s. We currently have much more unity and consensus around fiscal expansion than then.bruh
And again, Lieberman left the party because of pressure regarding the ACA
By DY_nasty Go To Postbruh
It’s not even an argument, but I would love to see someone try
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe irony of 2009 is that we had a super majority but it was filled with blue dogs like Lieberman. The T was a non starter for the ARRA. We were still riding off of “debt is bad” narratives from the 90’s. Obama had to brag about deficit reductions. We currently have much more unity and consensus around fiscal expansion than then.Lieberman left in 2006 because he lost the primary. If we have 52, Sinema and Tester join Manchin and we have the same excuses.
And again, Lieberman left the party because of pressure regarding the ACA
We have 52 in the senate Manchin get nothing right now.
By cashman Go To PostIf we have 52, Sinema and Tester join Manchin and we have the same excuses.
Over the minimum wage definitely, curious if Sinema would acquiesce to the UI and check cap shit
i don't even think you know how to argue 'unity' on fiscal expansion lololol. as soon as obama left the act dropped
This bill Dems are going to pass is larger than all stimulus passed under Obama. This flowing all of last years stimulus and trumps ballooning tax cuts. If this was 2009, Dems would be backing themselves into McConnels 600B initial offer and would be pretending they’re the fiscally responsible party while doing it
By Fenderputty Go To PostThis bill Dems are going to pass is larger than all stimulus passed under Obama. This flowing all of last years stimulus. If this was 2009, Dems would be backing themselves into McConnels 600B initial offerare you talking about THIS bill or overall perspectives on fiscal expansion?
because crutching off of the rona crash is clearly an event unto itself