By FortuneFaded Go To PostSo people expecting $2600 are going to elect Republicans who didn't want to give them anything and settled on $600 as a compromise?that a challenge?
I mean... I would like the people that got engaged with voting, to stay that way. Misrepresentation is an easy ass way of getting them to sit home.
By n8 dogg Go To Postthat's from today though.
By trevorariza Go To PostWho cares about this, honestly. Biden fucking lied about Georgia leading to $2k checks. He's a liar just like Trump.
His overall plan for stimulus is great, and most importantly contains. UE extension and 400$ weekly boost, but sure he’s Trump.
The UE boost and expansion was the most effective stimulus from the first go around. It helped people the most
Stocks drifted lower on Friday, as optimism about President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s plans to spend heavily to address the impact of the pandemic gave way the hard realities of getting the plan through Congress.
The S&P 500 fell as much as 1 percent before recovering some ground. By midday the benchmark was about half a percent lower.
“We do not expect ten Republicans to support a $1.9 trillion relief package,” wrote analysts with Goldman Sachs.Well. Biden certainly delivered on his promise to turn things back to normalcy.
That leaves a so-called budget reconciliation vote in the Senate that would require only Democrats to win a simple majority. But parliamentary rules limit size and type of bills that can be passed using the budget reconciliation process.
Y'all are arguing about messaging being more important than the actual work, and the stock market doesn't have faith in congress passing a democrats agenda.
Welcome back, y'all
Reconciliation was always going to be the path forward, but you may as well try legislatively and let republicans kill needed covid stimulus before “ramming it through”
By Fenderputty Go To PostReconciliation was always going to be the path forward, but you may as well try legislatively and let republicans kill needed covid stimulus before “ramming it through”The bill at $1.9 trillion is too large for reconciliation.
By Not Go To Post
I think these polls are dead tired and 80% bullshit. But people thinking republicans don’t want a white dictatorship are out of their minds.
I think the messaging was clear.
Congress said 600 or bust
Trump said 2k
Dems were on board immediately with 2K to sTiCk It To ThE rEpS
They rushed to pass 600 and Trump signed off to prevent shutdown (and because he doesn't really give a shit, he knows he lost and it was all a ruse to incite uprising)
Dems get power and want to add a comprehensive plan to make it +1400 (so 2K total) among other stuff, because they love compromise
AOC and othersocialists decent people say 600+1400 is not enough. Which is in line with their previous messaging of "we should actually be doing this monthly like Canadia. We can afford".
The only people who don't understand are willfully ignorant or those with malicious intent.
Congress said 600 or bust
Trump said 2k
Dems were on board immediately with 2K to sTiCk It To ThE rEpS
They rushed to pass 600 and Trump signed off to prevent shutdown (and because he doesn't really give a shit, he knows he lost and it was all a ruse to incite uprising)
Dems get power and want to add a comprehensive plan to make it +1400 (so 2K total) among other stuff, because they love compromise
AOC and other
The only people who don't understand are willfully ignorant or those with malicious intent.
By reilo Go To PostThe bill at $1.9 trillion is too large for reconciliation.
For sure reconciliation is not ideal. Just likely, as it always has been
By Perfect Blue Go To PostWtf is “Gab”?Nazi twitter
By inky Go To PostI think the messaging was clear.
Congress said 600 or bust
Trump said 2k
Dems were on board immediately with 2K to sTiCk It To ThE rEpS
They rushed to pass 600 and Trump signed off to prevent shutdown (and because he doesn't really give a shit, he knows he lost and it was all a ruse to incite uprising)
Dems get power and want to add a comprehensive plan to make it +1400 (so 2K total) among other stuff, because they love compromise
AOC and othersocialistsdecent people say 600+1400 is not enough. Which is in line with their previous messaging of "we should actually be doing this monthly like Canadia. We can afford".
The only people who don't understand are willfully ignorant or those with malicious intent.
It makes for great liberal infighting! Direct payments were as effective at reducing poverty during this pandemic / first stimulus as beefed up and extended UE.
Direct payments are just better politics as evidenced by this thread. Poverty rates actually dropped in 2020 because of these combined stimuli .
https://www.epi.org/blog/over-13-million-more-people-would-be-in-poverty-without-unemployment-insurance-and-stimulus-payments-senate-republicans-are-blocking-legislation-proven-to-reduce-poverty/
Direct payments aren't just "better politics" cmon man lol
how you worded that post is gonna give someone an ulcer
how you worded that post is gonna give someone an ulcer
By inky Go To PostThe only people who don't understand are willfully ignorant or those with malicious intent.
yes, the poors are ignorant and evil
Talk about 2k checks after the 600 checks and expect people to expect 1400 checks brehs.
By /sy Go To Postyes, the poors are ignorant and evilNot making a great case for your argument
By DY_nasty Go To PostDirect payments aren't just "better politics" cmon man lol
how you worded that post is gonna give someone an ulcer
They’re not better than UE and the boast. Which was left out of the first 600 stimulus. It’s a 2 trillion dollar stimulus and y’all are running around like “2k check! Messaging rawr! He’s a liar like trump” Without even looking at the other items in the bill.
2k check and no EU extension wouldn’t be getting shit in and it would be a worse bill but y’all go off
"but yal go off"?
smh. why bother with semantical dance #s when the simple response is just recognizing how easy it is to not fuck something like this. yal weird
this is easy. stop making it seem hard. what are you even defending. if it wasn't miscommunication then you have nothing to even talk about.
smh. why bother with semantical dance #s when the simple response is just recognizing how easy it is to not fuck something like this. yal weird
this is easy. stop making it seem hard. what are you even defending. if it wasn't miscommunication then you have nothing to even talk about.
How’s it fucked other than a bunch of people arguing over one aspect of a bill cause they got blinders on? There’s good stuff in this bill
Preferably direct payment become a monthly stipend but I mean ... I also would prefer to win the lottery
Preferably direct payment become a monthly stipend but I mean ... I also would prefer to win the lottery
You know what’s also easy, realizing a 2T stimulus package doesn’t make Biden, trump. It would be nice to actually discuss the merits of a bill.
this is the same media environment that calls people who don't leave tips nazis. shit goes both ways and everyone knows it. if you gonna run a "but but but trump ______!" then you're in for a long fuckin presidency too bro.
save yourself the fuckin headache and just catch the ez lobs lmao. talk on a bill with people who want to talk on a bill. enough people though they were getting money that its a problem. blame them tho. classic dem move
national level and asking if messaging could possibly be misinterpreted? my god
the horror. this is pathetic
save yourself the fuckin headache and just catch the ez lobs lmao. talk on a bill with people who want to talk on a bill. enough people though they were getting money that its a problem. blame them tho. classic dem move
national level and asking if messaging could possibly be misinterpreted? my god
the horror. this is pathetic
By DY_nasty Go To Postthis is the same media environment that calls people who don't leave tips nazis. shit goes both ways and everyone knows it. if you gonna run a "but but but trump ______!" then you're in for a long fuckin presidency too bro.
save yourself the fuckin headache and just catch the ez lobs lmao. talk on a bill with people who want to talk on a bill. enough people though they were getting money that its a problem. blame them tho. classic dem move
national level and asking if messaging could possibly be misinterpreted? my god
the horror. this is pathetic
Democratic infighting over a solid as fuck 2T stimulus it is!
there is nothing "solid as fuck" about any of the economic support the average american has received either put the pom poms down ffs this is cringe
"Communicate better"
I mean sure you could definitely disagree but why
"Communicate better"
I mean sure you could definitely disagree but why
By /sy Go To Postyes, the poors are ignorant and evilThe "poors" who willfully misrepresent this particular series of events are.
Talk about 2k checks after the 600 checks and expect people to expect 1400 checks brehs.
No one blames people for wanting more, and I'm not saying no one should get more. But if you don't understand how you got to 1400 checks after Trump said let's get everyone 2K and dems signed off on that, then you aren't paying attention.
Why is asking the Dems to get their messaging on point, a problem? It doesn't have anything to do with the stimulus. They don't get a pass, just because of Trump. What is this even?
The fact that there is any room for this discussion, in general, is an issue, in and of itself. It's also one that's gonna pop up, again, and again, because of the likes of Manchin and co.
The fact that there is any room for this discussion, in general, is an issue, in and of itself. It's also one that's gonna pop up, again, and again, because of the likes of Manchin and co.
By Laboured Go To PostThere was a final battle against ISIS? Who won?
oh wow he's got a PKK/YPG/SDF badge on his shoulder. Man actually stanned for a Marxist terror organisation and then came back to be a far right terrorist. Literally went from hard left to hard right lmao
Did I say the total economic support provided thus far is solid as fuck? No, I said this single 2T stimulus bill is. And it is. You would have to make this a 6T bill to fill in for Republican economic sabotage since the cares act passed.
For reference, if this passes, it will be over twice value of the ARRA during the Great Recession... and total stimulus including the cares act makes it 4 times bigger.
Realistically .... if he can pass ANY stimulus legislatively, it’s a win cause he can still do more fiscal expansion via reconciliation. So if the GOP butchers this back down to just UE and 500$ as an example ... pass it and then do reconciliation.
For reference, if this passes, it will be over twice value of the ARRA during the Great Recession... and total stimulus including the cares act makes it 4 times bigger.
Realistically .... if he can pass ANY stimulus legislatively, it’s a win cause he can still do more fiscal expansion via reconciliation. So if the GOP butchers this back down to just UE and 500$ as an example ... pass it and then do reconciliation.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostWhy is asking the Dems to get their messaging on point, a problem? It doesn't have anything to do with the stimulus. They don't get a pass, just because of Trump. What is this even?I don't get it
The fact that there is any room for this discussion, in general, is an issue, in and of itself. It's also one that's gonna pop up, again, and again, because of the likes of Manchin and co.
"Communicate better"
rage
By DY_nasty Go To PostI don't get itWhen politics becomes a team sport, innit
"Communicate better"
rage
By FortuneFaded Go To Post
Is this where he announces his 2024 run
By DY_nasty Go To PostI give Trump 18 months before republicans blame him the sky being blue
In the heat of the midterms?