Time to pull his ass from whatever committees he runs then.
Democrats got leverage to punish him if he doesn't want to play ball. If he's gonna be ineffective then make him truly ineffective.
But they won't.
Democrats got leverage to punish him if he doesn't want to play ball. If he's gonna be ineffective then make him truly ineffective.
But they won't.
Incredible country really when one guy from a small state can basically block your entire agenda to serve 300,000,000 people
Of course, they like it that way.
Of course, they like it that way.
By Old King Rob Go To PostWhat would be the equivalent for other countries?Uhhh I can’t really think of anything even remotely similar in Canada. MPs do not have any leverage to go against the party line and if Manchin was pulling this kind of stuff here the party would kick him out. The concept of party discipline barely exists in the US, let alone in the Senate due to how parliamentary rules are uniquely set up to favour political minorities.
People should read the Senate report 'Covert Action in Chile 1963-73' if they're interested in Latin American Cold War madness. Pretty wild.
By Daz Go To Postlol wow goddamn
By Daz Go To PostYou mean you don't have a throne of Chinese skulls?Chinese? No.
DY pls.
She allegedly assigned specific roles to students. She cast one student as Adolf Hitler… That student is Jewish, according to the parent of a student who was asked to participate. At the end of the exercise, the child was told to pretend to commit suicide, as Hitler did.
Paid leave and universal prekindergarten should have already been part of any developed society in 2021.
That being said, I have absolutely zero confidence in governments spending trillions of dollars while allocating said funding to better society. Private equity or corporations can do it so much better but (and here is the crucial part) they need to be incentivized, there needs to be a reason for them to get to the end goal.
I know this isn't popular opinion around these parts but try to review these bills in the greater context and with a wider angle, it's not just a left v right thing.
That being said, I have absolutely zero confidence in governments spending trillions of dollars while allocating said funding to better society. Private equity or corporations can do it so much better but (and here is the crucial part) they need to be incentivized, there needs to be a reason for them to get to the end goal.
I know this isn't popular opinion around these parts but try to review these bills in the greater context and with a wider angle, it's not just a left v right thing.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostThat being said, I have absolutely zero confidence in governments spending trillions of dollars while allocating said funding to better society. Private equity or corporations can do it so much better but (and here is the crucial part) they need to be incentivized, there needs to be a reason for them to get to the end goal.Bro, it’s not the corporations and private equity (lmao) companies giving you such a good life in Montreal
Another year, another group of Turkish-Cypriot children, massacred and dumped into mass graves during the 60's and 70's, finally identified and properly put to rest.
By Andrew Go To PostSounds like someone who wants to keep his people poor and barely surviving
May as well dismantle the entire social safety net
Which means in this universe, he’s already been re-elected by WV.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostPaid leave and universal prekindergarten should have already been part of any developed society in 2021.The only way to be incentivized in a capitalist economy is the promise of more money. Private companies are the whole reason this mess exists. They aren’t interested in anything other than having a bigger yacht collection then a resetera poster has a video game backlog
That being said, I have absolutely zero confidence in governments spending trillions of dollars while allocating said funding to better society. Private equity or corporations can do it so much better but (and here is the crucial part) they need to be incentivized, there needs to be a reason for them to get to the end goal.
I know this isn't popular opinion around these parts but try to review these bills in the greater context and with a wider angle, it's not just a left v right thing.
I’m sure the same people who forced their drivers to work during a tornado warning under the threat of being fired would take care of their workers out of the kindness in their hearts.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostBro, it’s not the corporations and private equity (lmao) companies giving you such a good life in MontrealIt's not black and white like that, stop being silly. Both the private and public sector work in unison in providing a quality of life. I'm not oblivious to the schemes which many private sector companies indulge in but my word is the government ever fat, slow, lazy, behind by 10-15 years across the field and just plain awful.
Where the government excels at (here in Canada anyways) is providing a security net for healthcare and education - both in dire, dire shape but better than nothing, and much better than our friendly neighbours down south. Still though, with the amount of taxes we collect we should hold our elected officials and overall government body to a higher standard, what we have should be considered the bare minumum by us all, not something to be overly proud of.
I'm happy to argue the benefits we recieve as a society from the private sector if needed.
By Old King Rob Go To PostThe only way to be incentivized in a capitalist economy is the promise of more money. Private companies are the whole reason this mess exists. They aren’t interested in anything other than having a bigger yacht collection then a resetera poster has a video game backlogYes agreed that the private sector feeds off of more money (usually in tax cuts and/or grants) by nature being a corporation. I don't care that Elon Musk is a terrible person or has an incredibly unlikeable character, I don't care if he's a jerk or if he's the second coming of Jesus Christ - I don't know him, him as a person doesn't impact my life whatsoever. But instead I i.e., focus on the positive impact his company and industry leading technology will have on our society as a whole going forward.
I’m sure the same people who forced their drivers to work during a tornado warning under the threat of being fired would take care of their workers out of the kindness in their hearts.
I enjoy getting goods and services delivered to me through Amazon and Amazon prime, the convenience is incredible, that I can click on something and have it the next day was unthinkable just 15-20 years ago.
That we have vaccines for a pandemic killing millions (albeit funded by our own tax dollars collected via government) is the perfect cohesion and example where government and private sector works best together. It's not black and white.
my favourite benefits from the private sector have been the deconstruction of the NHS and all the lives lost because of it.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostIt's not black and white like that, stop being silly. Both the private and public sector work in unison in providing a quality of life. I'm not oblivious to the schemes which many private sector companies indulge in but my word is the government ever fat, slow, lazy, behind by 10-15 years across the field and just plain awful.What isn’t black and white? When you’re riding your bike down a public road or public bike path, that isn’t the private sector lol. You also mentioned universal pre-K and paid leave… that isn’t the private sector either. So, where does it come in exactly?
Where the government excels at (here in Canada anyways) is providing a security net for healthcare and education - both in dire, dire shape but better than nothing, and much better than our friendly neighbours down south. Still though, with the amount of taxes we collect we should hold our elected officials and overall government body to a higher standard, what we have should be considered the bare minumum by us all, not something to be overly proud of.
I’d like to see some examples especially because the initial bit I quoted that you said “That being said, I have absolutely zero confidence in governments spending trillions of dollars while allocating said funding to better society.” That seems to be demonstrably false by your own admission in the very next post, in that the government works in unison with the private sector, which is only even somewhat true for certain cases like garbage disposable.
We absolutely should get more from our tax dollars and the government should swing the pendulum towards the people and not corporations, that I agree with. But the private sector definitely isn’t going to save you when the government fumbles. I find that view incredibly naive and out of step with the last 40 years of politics and economics.
By DY_nasty Go To Postkinda agree with f_me here nglthat's basically what the government is for over here. everything run by them is in the shits, especially bad for the health sector.
government fucking people over isn't some stretch of imagination
are you elderly? want a doctor and live somewhere remote? no driver's license? well good luck at waking up at 5 AM to catch the bus, do a 3 hour ride, arrive and then wait the entire day for someone to check you if you're lucky enough to be seen the same day and not have to return multiple times and do the same thing over and over again
want some paperwork? good luck with that too, you have to catch them in between breaks and if they're in a good mood.
on the flipside you have absolute heroes that just can't pull everyone's weight with them, as hard as they may work.
By DY_nasty Go To Postkinda agree with f_me here nglNeither is private corporations
government fucking people over isn't some stretch of imagination
By Perfect Blue Go To PostWhat isn’t black and white? When you’re riding your bike down a public road or public bike path, that isn’t the private sector lol. You also mentioned universal pre-K and paid leave… that isn’t the private sector either. So, where does it come in exactly?What isn't black and white is in reference to either the private or public sector being just good or just evil in this conversation, in not an either or thing. When riding down the road I know its the public sector building and providing the access, this is per design since the road is meant to be used by all (lowest common denominator), and for the most part, and in general, the road is full of pot holes and crumbling but we accept this as is because we know the government is inefficient by design, they will never get this 100% right as the government is built to serve the most and not serve the best. However, the same road can be (and should be) built by the private sector, it'll be tolled (i.e., taxed) and given the usual behaviour of a free market, it'll be the best road possible since free market forces the private sector to the best end result possible. If we accept the free market built for what it is, It'll be much cheaper to build and maintain the road over i.e., 30 years than what we pay in taxes to use government built roads. I'd like to point out that I'm not oblivious to how the free market works and that at times it doesn't work as expected or without its faults, just like any other market. Again, it's not black and white.
I’d like to see some examples especially because the initial bit I quoted that you said “That being said, I have absolutely zero confidence in governments spending trillions of dollars while allocating said funding to better society.” That seems to be demonstrably false by your own admission in the very next post, in that the government works in unison with the private sector, which is only even somewhat true for certain cases like garbage disposable.
We absolutely should get more from our tax dollars and the government should swing the pendulum towards the people and not corporations, that I agree with. But the private sector definitely isn’t going to save you when the government fumbles. I find that view incredibly naive and out of step with the last 40 years of politics and economics.
By Tony Hank's Pro Skater Go To Postthat's basically what the government is for over here. everything run by them is in the shits, especially bad for the health sector.i mean that too lol but even working as a govy... i get the disdain for private entities as a whole but the government payroll does brutal just fine all by itself too
are you elderly? want a doctor and live somewhere remote? no driver's license? well good luck at waking up at 5 AM to catch the bus, do a 3 hour ride, arrive and then wait the entire day for someone to check you if you're lucky enough to be seen the same day and not have to return multiple times and do the same thing over and over again
want some paperwork? good luck with that too, you have to catch them in between breaks and if they're in a good mood.
on the flipside you have absolute heroes that just can't pull everyone's weight with them, as hard as they may work.
By Old King Rob Go To PostNeither is private corporationsijs "the its not black and white" seems pretty fair. don't mind me
At the end of the day it's organisations and people and even on a national level, nevermind a global one, it's hard to plan efficiently
By Frustrated_me Go To PostWhat isn't black and white is in reference to either the private or public sector being just good or just evil in this conversation, in not an either or thing. When riding down the road I know its the public sector building and providing the access, this is per design since the road is meant to be used by all (lowest common denominator), and for the most part, and in general, the road is full of pot holes and crumbling but we accept this as is because we know the government is inefficient by design, they will never get this 100% right as the government is built to serve the most and not serve the best. However, the same road can be (and should be) built by the private sector, it'll be tolled (i.e., taxed) and given the usual behaviour of a free market, it'll be the best road possible since free market forces the private sector to the best end result possible. If we accept the free market built for what it is, It'll be much cheaper to build and maintain the road over i.e., 30 years than what we pay in taxes to use government built roads. I'd like to point out that I'm not oblivious to how the free market works and that at times it doesn't work as expected or without its faults, just like any other market. Again, it's not black and white.😂
You've never driven in America
Roads are funded by the public but built by private sector -- and the private sector always lies with a) how much it costs and b) the quality of it all before they start working.
By reilo Go To Post😂I have driven in America (California, NY, NOLA, Florida), don't just assume that. And in Europe, and Asia and Middle-East. You have incredible roads compared to what we have, above and beyond different leagues.
You've never driven in America
Have you driven in Canada?
But I guess I'm grateful that we have no wars here, and I'm not saying this in jest.
Yes. I've also driven in the EU. American roads are godawful -- they are the worst of both worlds: government funded but privately constructed.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostWhat isn't black and white is in reference to either the private or public sector being just good or just evil in this conversation, in not an either or thing. When riding down the road I know its the public sector building and providing the access, this is per design since the road is meant to be used by all (lowest common denominator), and for the most part, and in general, the road is full of pot holes and crumbling but we accept this as is because we know the government is inefficient by design, they will never get this 100% right as the government is built to serve the most and not serve the best. However, the same road can be (and should be) built by the private sector, it'll be tolled (i.e., taxed) and given the usual behaviour of a free market, it'll be the best road possible since free market forces the private sector to the best end result possible. If we accept the free market built for what it is, It'll be much cheaper to build and maintain the road over i.e., 30 years than what we pay in taxes to use government built roads. I'd like to point out that I'm not oblivious to how the free market works and that at times it doesn't work as expected or without its faults, just like any other market. Again, it's not black and white.Really? It’s not an either or or thing? This is your very first post:
By Frustrated_me Go To PostThat being said, I have absolutely zero confidence in governments spending trillions of dollars while allocating said funding to better society. Private equity or corporations can do it so much better but (and here is the crucial part) they need to be incentivized, there needs to be a reason for them to get to the end goal.That sounds pretty black and white to me by your own admission. I’d also disagree that the government is “inefficient by design”. That is an oversimplification of the situation in places like Canada. Rather, the reality is that in a western, liberal capitalist society, especially one with a federal, separation of powers system, there are a lot of stakeholders in place where the government can’t exactly plow through unimpeded. Least of all for things like building new roads due to the existence of private land and property.
No such thing as a free market in practice, least of all for something as difficult to build as roads. You and I can’t suddenly decide to amass capital and build a road without following strict guidelines and regulations in doing so. The reason our infrastructure is so safe as it is because of a lack of lassiez-faire regulations. As well as with private roads, the reality is that private roads and infrastructure meant to funnel a few people at a time are inherently wasteful. The whole point of publicly built infrastructure like you said is that it meant to serve all of society - the fact that private roads don’t, make them incredibly inefficient at what they do. That does not sound “better” to me at all.
There’s like two private highways in all of Canada and one of them, the 407 ETR isn’t any demonstrably better than all the other public highways and roads in Toronto and the province. In fact, that road doesn’t get much use specifically because it’s only meant to a serve a few, wealthy individuals who can actually afford the huge price, which goes back to what I said above.
By Batong-TT Go To PostAt the end of the day it's organisations and people and even on a national level, nevermind a global one, it's hard to plan efficientlyelon musk is working on it friend
madam president cortana coming to you soon
By Perfect Blue Go To PostReally? It’s not an either or or thing? This is your very first post:Roger.
That sounds pretty black and white to me by your own admission. I’d also disagree that the government is “inefficient by design”. That is an oversimplification of the situation in places like Canada. Rather, the reality is that in a western, liberal capitalist society, especially one with a federal, separation of powers system, there are a lot of stakeholders in place where the government can’t exactly plow through unimpeded. Least of all for things like building new roads due to the existence of private land and property.
No such thing as a free market in practice, least of all for something as difficult to build as roads. You and I can’t suddenly decide to amass capital and build a road without following strict guidelines and regulations in doing so. The reason our infrastructure is so safe as it is because of a lack of lassiez-faire regulations. As well as with private roads, the reality is that private roads and infrastructure meant to funnel a few people at a time are inherently wasteful. The whole point of publicly built infrastructure like you said is that it meant to serve all of society - the fact that private roads don’t, make them incredibly inefficient at what they do. That does not sound “better” to me at all.
There’s like two private highways in all of Canada and one of them, the 407 ETR isn’t any demonstrably better than all the other public highways and roads in Toronto and the province. In fact, that road doesn’t get much use specifically because it’s only meant to a serve a few, wealthy individuals who can actually afford the huge price, which goes back to what I said above.
It's obvious we have different opinions on this topic. I trust the private sector to do more with trillions of dollars than I trust the government with the same amount, well knowing the inherent flaws in a free market.
I work for the government, boots on the ground, I've seen enough of how our tax dollars are spent, it's not pretty and far from being acceptable given how much better it can be.
Me too.
Last thing I'll say is that private developers one of the richest cities in the world (SF) cannot build a luxury skyscraper condo that's not leaning and looking like it's about to crumble and I'm supposed to trust private entities with roads and childhood education?
But hey try not to take going to the hospital as a proposition between death and bankruptcy for granted now. You might not like your healthcare but at least you don't have that!
Happy holidays
Last thing I'll say is that private developers one of the richest cities in the world (SF) cannot build a luxury skyscraper condo that's not leaning and looking like it's about to crumble and I'm supposed to trust private entities with roads and childhood education?
But hey try not to take going to the hospital as a proposition between death and bankruptcy for granted now. You might not like your healthcare but at least you don't have that!
Happy holidays