By Hitch Go To PostTried watching Grand Budapest Hotel, the style just annoyed me. Same goes for the one about the boy scout that I can't remember the name of.
Not sure I even love his style. Just nice to see films look so different sometimes.
I went to look up the lyrics to Steely Dan's Darjeeling Limited theme tune and I'm creasing at the fact Walter Becker's great idea was just scrap it and make Bottle Rocket Two.
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I enjoyed Isle of Dogs and saw PB mention orientalism in the thread earlier, didn't know what that meant so I read a few critiques. I think they're definitely fair but it I don't find it harmful or anything but I can see why it can turn some off. Everyone could have spoken english too and that would have eliminated some of it, he was probably doing too much.
idk, I've only seen 2 or 3 Wes Anderson movies but making every thing on screen a quirky caricature is kinda his thing.
idk, I've only seen 2 or 3 Wes Anderson movies but making every thing on screen a quirky caricature is kinda his thing.
I think his films often get hit for artifice when I see his films as being as emotionally rich as anything, just with unconventional aesthetics. The end of GBH is really moving.
By n8 dogg Go To PostI think his films often get hit for artifice when I see his films as being as emotionally rich as anything, just with unconventional aesthetics. The end of GBH is really moving.I don't know whats with me and his movies but they always fuck me up
By Perfect Blue Go To PostThere’s plenty of films out there that are exaggerated but don’t reduce every non-white character into a comedic trope or window dressing for the quirky rich white American’s silly hero’s journey.‘Hero’s journey’ has lost all meaning and purpose as a term if we’re applying it unflinchingly to Wes Anderson’s entire oeuvre (hell, The Royal Tenenbaums practically makes a joke about this at the very end).
Are his films dominated by white protagonists? Yes.
Does that make him any different from the vast majority of white directors? No.
Would I like to see that change overall? Yes.
Would I like to see that change specifically for Wes Anderson? Yes, but only if it doesn’t have the result of everyone calling him a racist because he portrays a person of color in the same way that he portrays some of his white protagonists like Royal or Steve Zissou.
I think it’s also worth remembering that he had characters like Henry Sherman, who counters his own racist treatment by Royal, and Zero, neither of whom conform to the narrative you’ve spun in your own head.
Like, I get everything you’re saying here I just don’t enjoy the films.Fair enough, but you can leave out the self-righteous justification when expressing your (terrible) taste.
This whole Wes Anderson discussion always reminds me how a section of people hated Three Billboards because of Sam Rockwell's character, somehow missing the point. People were very rah-rah that the movie was not only embracing but also promoting him, which was so dumbfoundingly stupid and complete opposite of what the point of him was.
I think a lot of times people that watch movies lose any form of critical thought and get caught up in what a character is doing rather than the why they are doing it within the context of the story.
Nobody wants movies with antagonists anymore unless it comes with trigger warnings.
I think a lot of times people that watch movies lose any form of critical thought and get caught up in what a character is doing rather than the why they are doing it within the context of the story.
Nobody wants movies with antagonists anymore unless it comes with trigger warnings.
By reilo Go To PostThis whole Wes Anderson discussion always reminds me how a section of people hated Three Billboards because of Sam Rockwell's character, somehow missing the point. People were very rah-rah that the movie was not only embracing but also promoting him, which was so dumbfoundingly stupid and complete opposite of what the point of him was.
I think a lot of times people that watch movies lose any form of critical thought and get caught up in what a character is doing rather than the why they are doing it within the context of the story.
Nobody wants movies with antagonists anymore unless it comes with trigger warnings.
By FligureSkatingFlan Go To Post‘Hero’s journey’ has lost all meaning and purpose as a term if we’re applying it unflinchingly to Wes Anderson’s entire oeuvre (hell, The Royal Tenenbaums practically makes a joke about this at the very end).Obviously not because I was specifically discussing Darjeeling Limited and Isle of Dogs, two of the few I’ve seen and the two I’ve actively disliked.
Fair enough, but you can leave out the self-righteous justification when expressing your (terrible) taste.
Your assumption that I’m coming at this from a perspective of self righteousness is more of a reflection on you than it is me. From my perspective it’s you with the “terrible” taste.
There is no denying, his films are very white. Very very white. Not that its a bad thing per se - but it leaves a lot of traps for when there finally is a POC- as it tends to be even more sharply noticeable.
He's getting better, which why I warmed to hiss more recent works.
I totally get where PB is coming from.
He's getting better, which why I warmed to hiss more recent works.
I totally get where PB is coming from.
By reilo Go To PostThis whole Wes Anderson discussion always reminds me how a section of people hated Three Billboards because of Sam Rockwell's character, somehow missing the point. People were very rah-rah that the movie was not only embracing but also promoting him, which was so dumbfoundingly stupid and complete opposite of what the point of him was..what a post reilo. that annoyed me to no end too.
By n8 dogg Go To PostThis shit. This dumb shit. Congrats you are exhibiting the emotions the writers wanted you to.
Remember when the joker movie was extremely dangerous. Online forums were almost like being in the paradise lost films, except switch a mediocre metal band with a mediocre film.
Ford also worked with creative shop Wieden+Kennedy to promote the factories by creating a short film, narrated by actor Don Cheadle and directed by Terrence Malick.
https://www.prweek.com/article/1728920/ford-plays-largest-single-investment-its-history-community-focus
By reilo Go To PostThis shit. This dumb shit. Congrats you are exhibiting the emotions the writers wanted you to.Eh, whatever, I get not liking Seinfeld (or Sunny as mentioned) because you don’t like the people in them. “That’s what the writers meant” doesn’t mean people can’t dislike it for the exact things the writers were trying to highlight, it just isn’t an emotion they want to feel
By JesalR Go To PostEh, whatever, I get not liking Seinfeld (or Sunny as mentioned) because you don’t like the people in them. “That’s what the writers meant” doesn’t mean people can’t dislike it for the exact things the writers were trying to highlight, it just isn’t an emotion they want to feelYeah I get it too. Never seen those shows myself but if one is feeling repulsed and annoyed at the characters in what is supposed to be a comedy, what’s the point in watching. Not everyone enjoys these mean-spirited comedies where the characters are all sociopaths.
Not even saying that dude is right in those tweets or whatever but I totally get not watching something further if you’re not feeling it.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostObviously not because I was specifically discussing Darjeeling Limited and Isle of Dogs, two of the few I’ve seen and the two I’ve actively disliked.The idea that every character of color in Darjeeling Limited, to focus on one example, is there merely as “comedic trope or window dressing” makes me question if you made it more than halfway through the film. Ignoring the brothers’ own behavior, how does one square that with Rita’s reactions to the brothers’ behavior? Or the train steward’s? Or all of the events in the village by the river? The story might ultimately be about the brothers’ experiences (they are the protagonists after all), but it’s conscious of how their experiences impact those around them, and how the reactions to those impacts affect them in return, becoming further experiences.
Your assumption that I’m coming at this from a perspective of self righteousness is more of a reflection on you than it is me. From my perspective it’s you with the “terrible” taste.
But you actually started your Wes Anderson discussion with five films. Was Grand Budapest Hotel orientalist in its depiction of a fictionalized Europe? Was Moonrise Kingdom orientalist in its depiction of a fictionalized rural America? If those weren’t ‘white’ places, you’d be leveling the same criticisms there, what with their cultural amalgamations, comedic exaggerations, and conscious use of stereotypes. If anything, you’ve ‘otherized’ Japan and India in your mind such that Wes Anderson isn’t allowed to use them the way he uses any other setting; they’ve become untouchable, because he’s too ‘white’ in his approach.
Dislike his work for whatever reason, but if you don’t think dismissing a couple movies as “orientalist tripe” gives your opinions the air of self-righteousness, I’m not sure how to help you. I’m not projecting, m8; you’re just not really analyzing shit.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostYeah I get it too. Never seen those shows myself but if one is feeling repulsed and annoyed at the characters in what is supposed to be a comedy, what’s the point in watching. Not everyone enjoys these mean-spirited comedies where the characters are all sociopaths.
Not even saying that dude is right in those tweets or whatever but I totally get not watching something further if you’re not feeling it.
By JesalR Go To PostEh, whatever, I get not liking Seinfeld (or Sunny as mentioned) because you don’t like the people in them. “That’s what the writers meant” doesn’t mean people can’t dislike it for the exact things the writers were trying to highlight, it just isn’t an emotion they want to feelTo address this point a bit further and be a bit less snarky:
There's a LOT of judgment being put on people that do enjoy these shows/movies. And I think those being "repulsed" are reacting in a manner that lacks some critical thought and understanding of context, because with the advent of social media it leads to someone claiming "those that enjoy this don't have a conscious nor a heart" which like, okay, take a hike then.
Larry David (the character) being an asshole might be just him (Larry David, the writer) putting light on people that behave in such manner and ultimately telling the world it's not okay. Ditto for the Dwight Schrutes, etc of the fictional world. It's not an acceptance of, but a deconstruction of said behavior and why it's not okay. If a show does it right, it'll also be very funny.
By Laboured Go To PostI just binged all seven Paranormal Activity movies in case anyone has any questions.One question: why?
By Laboured Go To PostI just binged all seven Paranormal Activity movies in case anyone has any questions.One question: why?
I’ll say I love(d) Seinfeld and Sunny, and only don’t watch Curb because I never tried to watch it, so these shows are largely entirely up my alley.
At the same time, as much as there’s a level of holier-than-thou from those tweets, I just don’t like “that’s what the writers wanted” as a rebuke of how those 3 people felt. They absolutely don’t need to be sanctimonious about it though.
Additionally, we’ve seen hundreds of instances of characters that are knowingly written as assholes as a warning, but who are embraced as heroes, so I also get how people might watch that kind of media with disdain.
At the same time, as much as there’s a level of holier-than-thou from those tweets, I just don’t like “that’s what the writers wanted” as a rebuke of how those 3 people felt. They absolutely don’t need to be sanctimonious about it though.
Additionally, we’ve seen hundreds of instances of characters that are knowingly written as assholes as a warning, but who are embraced as heroes, so I also get how people might watch that kind of media with disdain.
I mean, that's why I keep hammering home on the lack of critical thought. If you think Walter White was the good guy in Breaking Bad, you're equally not paying attention to the show just like someone trying to get into Curb or Sunny, imo.
By Laboured Go To PostFor the lore.pretty great innit?
By reilo Go To PostI mean, that's why I keep hammering home on the lack of critical thought. If you think Walter White was the good guy in Breaking Bad, you're equally not paying attention to the show just like someone trying to get into Curb or Sunny, imo.People also think Michael Scott is a good guy.
By Laboured Go To PostI just binged all seven Paranormal Activity movies in case anyone has any questions.what did you have for dinner?
By FortuneFaded Go To PostPeople also think Michael Scott is a good guy.Those are probably people who prefer the US Office to the UK Office, so they’re irredeemable.
Wes Anderson’s characters are all stupid caricatures anyway do finding Isle of Dogs problematic it’s a little too much. Can’t remember being taken back while watching it, but again that long ago.
The one issue I have with his movies is that that they are becoming more and more abstract as he keep making them. I loved Fantastic Mr Fox and Moonshine because they both had compelling stories from start to finish. Compare those to French Dispatch and it just felt like random happenings and collection of shenanigans rather than delivering a plot
I did enjoy them but I can see myself turned away from his future movies die that
The one issue I have with his movies is that that they are becoming more and more abstract as he keep making them. I loved Fantastic Mr Fox and Moonshine because they both had compelling stories from start to finish. Compare those to French Dispatch and it just felt like random happenings and collection of shenanigans rather than delivering a plot
I did enjoy them but I can see myself turned away from his future movies die that
By Laboured Go To PostI just binged all seven Paranormal Activity movies in case anyone has any questions.There are 8 (sort of).
By Yurtlicious Go To Postwait till that guy discovers Always SunnyHe'll probably have a breakdown on the first episode.
I enjoyed Eternals tbh. Liked some of the questions the film was asking about humanity in general and thought the characters were all fairly interesting in terms of their motivations.
There's definitely some issues. Could have been a leaner film for sure. But I think it's tiers above something as shitty as Captain Marvel, Antman 2, etc.
There's definitely some issues. Could have been a leaner film for sure. But I think it's tiers above something as shitty as Captain Marvel, Antman 2, etc.
By Laboured Go To PostI just binged all seven Paranormal Activity movies in case anyone has any questions.Cough twice if you need help
By bud Go To Postdon’t bother.aww it's bad? I haven't watched a new movie in two years maybe
how was Rami