VR requires more, more expensive, and more intrusive gear than the Wii did and isn't as easily multi-player friendly. Those are all huge hurdles.
By Laboured Go To PostIt's the one thing that isn't really suited to my PC because of my relatively small office. It's way better as a living room experience. I'd also say it can be quite social.Yeah it's one of the few things I see as an advantage in that my computer space is just not optimal (doubt many are). A console though in my spacious living room that utilizes VR? Then I might care way more.
By Kibner Go To PostVR requires more, more expensive, and more intrusive gear than the Wii did and isn't as easily multi-player friendly. Those are all huge hurdles.The multiplayer bit definitely has to be a huge drawback for publishers, as that's where all the big guns are clearly chasing their money.
By Zabojnik Go To PostCan't you just smuggle that shit over the border, PS5 too?I used to do that all the time, but these days you don't save much like that. I don't live near the border, so I can't really just go in and out in a car, and flying there is like flying to Rome from Scotland, but I haven't been to 'murica since Trump decided we were rapists and stuff.
Unless you are talking like real no warranty grey market, every other way of acquiring it has been cracked down upon and it incurs import taxes or a mark up that renders any savings kinda moot.
Motion sickness and looking like a complete cunt wearing a headset are big hurdles for VR to overcome.
I took a picture of my Ps4 Slim to compare it with PS5 matching Bluray slot sizes . OMG
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-5-system-architecture-deep-dive-ot-secret-agent-cerny.175780/page-386#post-37175215
That it needs a stand for horizontal orientation is a wild failure of design.
But even then the far greater failure is its size. How do you make a 10tf machine that big :lol
(I know the answer, it's because it's going to run really fucking hot otherwise)
But even then the far greater failure is its size. How do you make a 10tf machine that big :lol
(I know the answer, it's because it's going to run really fucking hot otherwise)
Meh, I don't mind the size, they'll keep getting bigger anyway I assume?
It's still only 1/4 of my pc.
It's still only 1/4 of my pc.
By Laboured Go To PostThat it needs a stand for horizontal orientation is a wild failure of design.
But even then the far greater failure is its size. How do you make a 10tf machine that big :lol
(I know the answer, it's because it's going to run really fucking hot otherwise)
The real answer is they put form over function.
By HonestVapes Go To PostThe real answer is they put form over function.
Isn't the size literally due to function though?
They don't want to hear it yurt. They're so desperate for proper gaming™ they are saying it looks like alienware just so they have something
By Laboured Go To PostIsn't the size literally due to function though?Yes and no. They could've undoubtedly made it smaller and utilized a more efficient airflow path for the fans and heatsinks inside. I would say they likely designed the case first and then the cooling was an after-thought so they scaled the design up in size.
By Yurtlicious Go To Postisnt that the size of your average pc if not lighterGenuinely, I've built a smaller PC than a PS5 with standard off the shelf parts. On the whole though, most standard PCs come in at around 4x the size or more of a PS5 by estimations.
By HonestVapes Go To PostYes and no. They could've undoubtedly made it smaller and utilized a more efficient airflow path for the fans and heatsinks inside. I would say they likely designed the case first and then the cooling was an after-thought so they scaled the design up in size.
isn't it obvious that it's the other way around? this thing is the biggest a console has ever been, and it won't even be the most powerful one when it releases.
the reason this thing is so huge is because they don't want it to overheat and be as loud as the ps4 and ps4 pro are.
'the fans are so loud. the console is so weak we are being HELD BACK' 
make it big and juicy
'why is it so big'
make it big and juicy
'why is it so big'
By HonestVapes Go To PostYes and no. They could've undoubtedly made it smaller and utilized a more efficient airflow path for the fans and heatsinks inside. I would say they likely designed the case first and then the cooling was an after-thought so they scaled the design up in size.there's absolutely no way anything is an after-thought
By Yurtlicious Go To Post'the fans are so loud. the console is so weak we are being HELD BACK'
they forgot the juicy part :(
By Zabojnik Go To PostAren't you, like, doing the exact same thing, just in the opposite direction?How can it be the exact same thing but it's in a different direction? 3D printer fumes getting to whitepowerzabojnikGAF
Zabo likes to wave around the label console warriors but if anything you lot are being utterly ridiculous, just hate for the sake of hating. We don't even have the console yet, save it lmao.
for all we know this is the most efficient console design they could come up with
for all we know this is the most efficient console design they could come up with
By bud Go To PostIsn't it obvious that it's the other way around? this thing is the biggest a console has ever been, and it won't even be the most powerful one when it releases.Please understand, much like Kibner knows his shit with audio gear and Yurt knows his shit with JRPGs, my area of knowledge is rooted squarely in small form factor PCs, which entails cooling power hungry components in small enclosures.
the reason this thing is so huge is because they don't want it to overheat and be as loud as the ps4 and ps4 pro are.
From the mock ups I've seen of the PS4, I'd estimate that it's in the ballpark of 8-10 litres in overall volume. You don't need to have a case that big to adequately cool high end components inside when you have the advantages of direct die mounting, custom made heatsinks and a fully custom case. With off the shelf PC parts, a 6-7l case is fine with proper airflow, and 5l is doable too
However, when you have a case with obstructed airflow, you need to overspec the cooling solution to overcome that.
If cooling was at the forefront of their design, then it would have been designed from the ground up with a clear airflow path through case with minimal obstruction which just isn't the case. Assuming there's vents at the back there's at least a 90 degree turn in the airflow from the top/front vents to the back vents, and the fans will either be attempting to exhaust or intake air through those relatively obstructed and small vents on the top/front of the case.
So with that said, I stand by my assertion that they've put form over function. Which yeno, isn't necessarily a bad thing. I dislike the look of the PS5 but not because it's bigger than other consoles in comparison.
A lot was said and written about loud PS4s, so much so that it was addressed by Bond Villain #23 at the Road to Ps5 video. I'm guessing the size is also meant to get the thing to be whisper quiet.
By HonestVapes Go To PostPlease understand, much like Kibner knows his shit with audio gear and Yurt knows his shit with JRPGs
is this who i am now
By NinjaFridge Go To PostHow can it be the exact same thing but it's in a different direction? 3D printer fumes getting to whitepowerzabojnikGAFOh no, a semantic attack to cover for the lack of arguments, how do I cope.
By Yurtlicious Go To PostZabo likes to wave around the label console warrior but if anything you lot are being utterly ridiculous, just hate for the sake of hating. We don't even have the console yet, save it lmao.I honestly don't get it.
How do you read the above comments and see hate? It's people discussing a design and what they think is good or bad about it. In case of Vapes it's someone who has a pretty deep knowledge of how small enclosures and airflow restrictions impact thermals and noise. You can either agree or disagree and have a completely different opinion on the matter, but there's absolutely no need to take it personally and feel hated on.
I don't particularly like the PS5 design. I happen to think it looks like something Alienware might come up with, which isn't even necessarily a bad thing. I like some of their products, but they're known for their futuristic / sometimes tacky form over function designs and that's what I see. It's already growing on me though and in a week or two I won't care about it.
How the console looks doesn't diminish my hype for it, not in the least. Can't wait to get my hands on it and (hopefully) never again - as someone who has been mainly playing on PC over the past 4-5 years - experience the pain of loading times and feeling of general slowness I get when dealing with my Pro. Console gaming is also currently the best way to experience HDR gaming, something I'm immensely excited about.
These are my honest feelings about it. I like consoles and I have no reason to hate console gamers, counting myself as one. I feel like your impression of me throwing around console warrior labels comes from me reacting to snarky, malinformed or just plain wrong comments coming from certain console owners. Reacting being the topical word. Most of the times I'm just sincerely joking about it, but then the other person takes it personally (or at least that's how it feels) and down the forum rabbit hole we go.
It's fine though. We are all going to make it.
but fr, I don't doubt that you know your shit HonestVapes xoxo
does small and efficient translate to costly designs? I imagine everything they did was down to economic constraints. The console could well be the most expensive ever as it is
@zabo
lmaooo what the hell are you on about! Nothing was taken personal and I don't feel hated on either, unless, gods help me, I'm PS5.
does small and efficient translate to costly designs? I imagine everything they did was down to economic constraints. The console could well be the most expensive ever as it is
@zabo
lmaooo what the hell are you on about! Nothing was taken personal and I don't feel hated on either, unless, gods help me, I'm PS5.
By Laboured Go To PostThat it needs a stand for horizontal orientation is a wild failure of design.All photos with the PS5 horizontal with the stand visible are photo shops.
But even then the far greater failure is its size. How do you make a 10tf machine that big :lol
(I know the answer, it's because it's going to run really fucking hot otherwise)
Also, I actually don't think you need a stand vertically or horizontally. It looks like you do but I bet it doesn't.
By Dipro Go To Postit better be.
Don't regret selling the Pro and getting a Slim. The noise was honestly too much, a goddamn hairdryer. Embarrassing.
By /sy Go To PostAll photos with the PS5 horizontal with the stand visible are photo shops.all PS2 pics had stands back then too
Also, I actually don't think you need a stand vertically or horizontally. It looks like you do but I bet it doesn't.
By Elliott Go To PostIts hideous but it also plays Demon's Souls.which is also hideous.
By Yurtlicious Go To Postbut fr, I don't doubt that you know your shit HonestVapes xoxo
does small and efficient translate to costly designs? I imagine everything they did was down to economic constraints. The console could well be the most expensive ever as it is
Funnily enough, despite working with injection molded plastics, I have no idea on the costs involved with plastic manufacturing.
Though assuming they do use injection molding for the case, then I believe the main cost would be the tooling. I'd assume smaller would be cheaper in that regard as the molds would be smaller, unless a smaller design they had in mind required more molds overall or more tooling in general due to the complexity of the design.
For reference, the dieset molds used to make the zips on these bags cost about 100K from what I was told.
From what we can gather from the innards - the PS5 is as custom as custom hardware comes - they didnt just scrape together PC parts from the shelf - so it stands to reason that the cooling solution would be specified as well.
I mean the thing's clock-speed is meant to be absurd.
I mean the thing's clock-speed is meant to be absurd.
ps5 specs jumped a lot from early rumours, their r&d team probably had something nice to show then last minute papa cerny was like we're going to set our components on fire, pls keep it cool
By Yurtlicious Go To Postijs vapes, this was the result of years of R&D.That doesn't mean that there wasn't an internal focus on looks with cooling efficiency being less important and only needing to reach "good enough" standards.
About those 90 degree bends Vapes mentioned earlier, I was watching a Gamers Nexus review of the Lian Li O11 Dynamic case yesterday that mentioned them. Gamers Nexus really knows their stuff when it comes to air cooling and they have found that every 90 degree bend reduces air flow by 30%.
Regarding those plastic molds Vapes also mentioned, yeah, they are expensive. The remaining cost of manufacturing (other than the mold) is just a tiny fraction. And molds wear out over time (it's why you get flashing and other imperfections sometimes with plastic stuff) and you have to make a new mold. Which costs just as much as the old mold.
I learned all this because I'm a turbo nerd that has learned a lot about plastic robot and plastic war game figurine manufacturing. Speaking of, I don't believe many companies outside of Bandai-Namco utilize singular molds that can accept different colors of plastic at the same time. Meaning, if you need multiple colors in your plastic, most companies have to make a different mold for each different color. That's one of the reasons why you see plastic things come in either few colors or are painted afterwards during the manufacturing process.
PS5 design is poor. In terms of optics and hardware.
It's a box of shortcomings that is trying to compensate a smaller GPU by cranking up the clock speed which leads to more heat and thus more noise or more cooling. They broke their necks to reach the magic 10TF number while at the same time arguing it isn't an important metric.
Nobody is going to really need a 100x IO increase for next gen. Off the shelf PCI 4.0 with 5GB/s would have been easily enough instead of an expensive solution that is only 800GB big and makes upgrading unnecessarily complicated. The box is so massively underwhelming they had to pull features like3D audio raytraced audio out of their asses.
That shit is older than my Soundblaster Live EAX.
Any of you listen to the stream with headphones? Well let me tell you. It wasn't any different.
I love my PS4, I think PlayStations software division is going to keep doing stellar work similar and I believe Xbox is doing themselves a massive disservice by sticking to cross gen first party games for the first 2 years. But hardware-wise
PS5 is abeast mess.
It's a box of shortcomings that is trying to compensate a smaller GPU by cranking up the clock speed which leads to more heat and thus more noise or more cooling. They broke their necks to reach the magic 10TF number while at the same time arguing it isn't an important metric.
Nobody is going to really need a 100x IO increase for next gen. Off the shelf PCI 4.0 with 5GB/s would have been easily enough instead of an expensive solution that is only 800GB big and makes upgrading unnecessarily complicated. The box is so massively underwhelming they had to pull features like
That shit is older than my Soundblaster Live EAX.
Any of you listen to the stream with headphones? Well let me tell you. It wasn't any different.
I love my PS4, I think PlayStations software division is going to keep doing stellar work similar and I believe Xbox is doing themselves a massive disservice by sticking to cross gen first party games for the first 2 years. But hardware-wise
PS5 is a
By Yurtlicious Go To Postijs vapes, this was the result of years of R&D.
There's been countless products with years of R&D behind them that still resulted in a less than ideal product. Make no mistake, I'm not saying the end product will be less than ideal. My stance is purely that they put how the console will look as their top priority and cooling was further down the list.
By /sy Go To PostAll photos with the PS5 horizontal with the stand visible are photo shops.
Also, I actually don't think you need a stand vertically or horizontally. It looks like you do but I bet it doesn't.
