People act like they want a game without a gun but whenever there is one where shooting/killing things is deemphasized it is "boring" and "what do you even do" Not sure it is the media that has a maturity problem
By JesalR Go To PostDoubt it, seeing as both with need to install entirely to the disk.Yup. Getting people into that digital only ecosystem will be discounted for sure.
If the digital isn't cheaper, I imagine they give you free PS+/bundle in games.
That said, it's in Sony's interest to get you to go all digital right. Basically force you to using their store, remove your ability to play used games. I could see them discounting it by a bigger amount than what they'd save in hardware costs
Those people will make them more money in the long run.
By Punished Go To PostThe thing is it's Housemarques first AAA game. They've always had their focus on gameplay with their arcade games and you clearly see it with the shooting segments.
Ignore the nerd-word there but this is how I felt watching the Returnal trailer.
What I'm saying is, I want a triple-A blockbuster where your main tool is the dialectics.
Do PC’s even come with drives anymore?
Sony should put a heavy discount on the all digital. Profits coming from those will be significant.
Sony should put a heavy discount on the all digital. Profits coming from those will be significant.
By cRrusheR Go To PostPlenty of games where nobody shoots a gun. It’s a non argument.
How many of them are best sellers or blockbuster games? Fifa?
By cRrusheR Go To PostDo PC’s even come with drives anymore?Yes, but PCs aren't bound to one ecosystem.
While Steam is still the big player, you can buy from who knows how many stores.
That isn't the case for Microsoft or Sony. You could still get cheap xbox games as digital code on some key sites, since bundle codes were a thing. MS eliminates that element going forward, so I expect less games appearing on keystores and the likes.
By jjasper Go To PostPeople act like they want a game without a gun but whenever there is one where shooting/killing things is deemphasized it is "boring" and "what do you even do" Not sure it is the media that has a maturity problemTo be fair I'm not sure that many titles have really got non-combat gameplay right, and the "boring" complaints are often not misplaced. At the very least, I can't think of any story heavy titles that have been able to move away from combat without just ending up with walking and talking.
I'm really surprised no one has tried a proper, story based sports title, since there are loads of great examples of non-violent sports gameplay. Inazuma Eleven was really fun to play, but the stupid anime storyline was never going to win awards.
By n8 dogg Go To PostHow many of them are best sellers or blockbuster games? Fifa?
Because dramas with no guns are filling up theater seats. Come on brother.
By Punished Go To Post
Ignore the nerd-word there but this is how I felt watching the Returnal trailer.
What I'm saying is, I want a triple-A blockbuster where your main tool is the dialectics.
may i interest you in a big-budget triple a title by a legendary game designer that revolves around... delivering packages?
By cRrusheR Go To PostDo PC’s even come with drives anymore?Prebuilt probably.
Sony should put a heavy discount on the all digital. Profits coming from those will be significant.
I’ve never included a disc drive with my builds though. You can install Windows with a USB stick these days so having a disc drive is useless for 99.9% of people.
By cRrusheR Go To PostBecause dramas with no guns are filling up theater seats. Come on brother.
:lol where did i state otherwise
Games (and films) mostly fetishise america’s obsession with violence and achieving catharsis through the undertaking of it. Avengers dudes are always punching each other.
animal crossing is the only pure game around
and even that is capitalist propaganda
By n8 dogg Go To Post:lol where did i state otherwiseI see you haven't played The Last Guardian.
Games (and films) mostly fetishise america’s obsession with violence and achieving catharsis through the undertaking of it. Avengers dudes are always punching each other.
animal crossing is the only pure game around
and even that is capitalist propaganda
Disgusting.
By Punished Go To PostThese posts from journos always come off with a strong 'hope she sees this bro ' vibes.
Ignore the nerd-word there but this is how I felt watching the Returnal trailer.
What I'm saying is, I want a triple-A blockbuster where your main tool is the dialectics.
By n8 dogg Go To Post:lol where did i state otherwise
Games (and films) mostly fetishise america’s obsession with violence and achieving catharsis through the undertaking of it. Avengers dudes are always punching each other.
animal crossing is the only pure game around
and even that is capitalist propaganda
Satisfying the vicarious needs of a thrill seeking audience is pretty hard. The bigger the audience the harder it gets.
With ease of development, modern tools, subscription services and hardware that allows for seamless transitions, I think there will be growing experimentation. It would help for people to accept shorter games. The visual medium, unlike the written word, doesn’t lend itself particularly well to slow story telling.
By cRrusheR Go To PostThe all digital is a looker. Something about the drive slot just throws the whole thing off.On its side the disc version looks sharp.
I have to admit that I'm shocked, absolutely shocked about any positive reception of the show, the look of the console and the console overall.
Really don't like the outlook right now on Sony. They'll make buck, no doubt. But I'm not impressed. Like at all.
The console looks hideous and is enormous. They designed the entire thing without a disc drive in mind. Now I'm not surprised about that and it's certainly reasonable if I look at my purchasing habits recently. But just slapping on the disc drive for the big version looks just: euh. Idiotic.
Furthermore: Bigger than the PS3 fat? Wow.
I mean I was expecting it to look like an overdesigned "make it look more gamey" 2012 gaming peripheral. The DualSense reveal made me fear a BMW i8 looking console:
That thing is a mess. I really believe this thing is a hot mess.
Sony went way overboard with the SSD (which won't be maxed out for multiplats) which is quite small with 850GB. Yes patching will be smaller. Yes due to the SSD data won't be double, triple or even 100x on the install, but asset size will grow. Just look at UE5 that is advertising: "just drop your zBrush into the game. 4k/8k Assets? Go ahead".
Game size will grow.
Faced with a smaller GPU than Xbox, Sony cranked up the frequency, had to add more cooling and are using variable clockspeeds which is more than weird for a console, and all only to be able to reach the magic 10TFlop number. I'm expecting either non-steady FPS, screeching fans or overheating. And due to the slow GPU we won't get a push for Raytracing done this gen. SVOGI will hopefully be the lowest common denominator. But getting rid of point lights would have been a dream scenario.
Right now we are getting an undesirable blend of the worst: sony underdelivering on hardware, xbox on software. I'm unhappy with both.
Where are those 3080 cards with HDMI 2.1.?! Save us Smokey.
Really don't like the outlook right now on Sony. They'll make buck, no doubt. But I'm not impressed. Like at all.
The console looks hideous and is enormous. They designed the entire thing without a disc drive in mind. Now I'm not surprised about that and it's certainly reasonable if I look at my purchasing habits recently. But just slapping on the disc drive for the big version looks just: euh. Idiotic.
Furthermore: Bigger than the PS3 fat? Wow.
I mean I was expecting it to look like an overdesigned "make it look more gamey" 2012 gaming peripheral. The DualSense reveal made me fear a BMW i8 looking console:
That thing is a mess. I really believe this thing is a hot mess.
Sony went way overboard with the SSD (which won't be maxed out for multiplats) which is quite small with 850GB. Yes patching will be smaller. Yes due to the SSD data won't be double, triple or even 100x on the install, but asset size will grow. Just look at UE5 that is advertising: "just drop your zBrush into the game. 4k/8k Assets? Go ahead".
Game size will grow.
Faced with a smaller GPU than Xbox, Sony cranked up the frequency, had to add more cooling and are using variable clockspeeds which is more than weird for a console, and all only to be able to reach the magic 10TFlop number. I'm expecting either non-steady FPS, screeching fans or overheating. And due to the slow GPU we won't get a push for Raytracing done this gen. SVOGI will hopefully be the lowest common denominator. But getting rid of point lights would have been a dream scenario.
Right now we are getting an undesirable blend of the worst: sony underdelivering on hardware, xbox on software. I'm unhappy with both.
Where are those 3080 cards with HDMI 2.1.?! Save us Smokey.
By data Go To PostThe fact that they didn't reveal a price is keyProbably waiting for MS to announce XSX price.
600 bucks to start
MS will go first and say $450 (which let's remember actually has a disc drive), and Sony will then say their digital version is $450 too, with the disc version being $500.
By data Go To PostThe fact that they didn't reveal a price is key
600 bucks to start
naaaaaaaahhh.
$499 all digital and $550 dd is the absolute highest.
i expect $499 dd and $449 digital
By Laboured Go To PostMS will go first and say $450 (which let's remember actually has a disc drive), and Sony will then say their digital version is $450 too, with the disc version being $500.sounds plausible.
By data Go To PostThe fact that they didn't reveal a price is keyBecause they hardly revealed anything new. They showed the console design and accessories.
600 bucks to start
They haven't shown us the UI, apps, BC and alot more. That stuff will be seperate.
Yesterday was all about games.
By data Go To PostThe fact that they didn't reveal a price is key
600 bucks to start
While I assume it's going to be between 450-500€/$, I actually wish they price it at 600 to see them fail similarly to PS3 times. We are faced with arrogant Sony again. Jim Ryan just exudes an arrogant and unlikable aura.
By Pennywise Go To PostBecause they hardly revealed anything new. They showed the console design and accessories.They showed the startup screen atleast.
They haven't shown us the UI, apps, BC and alot more. That stuff will be seperate.
Yesterday was all about games.
By Laboured Go To PostMS will go first and say $450 (which let's remember actually has a disc drive), and Sony will then say their digital version is $450 too, with the disc version being $500.Exactly what will happen.
I was browsing Amazon and the X1X Cyberpunk edition is $500 here, the Pro is $550 and OOS so... I'm going with $700 for the digital version and $750 for the PS5 and XSX minimum.
Does nobody remember how crap the PS4 reveal event was? The first game they showed was Knack, that weird Drivelub guy, incredibly boring Destiny, and the only next-gen looking game they showed was Infamous.
I don't think this event is out of character
I don't think this event is out of character
By Laboured Go To PostMS will go first and say $450 (which let's remember actually has a disc drive), and Sony will then say their digital version is $450 too, with the disc version being $500.
xsx isn't gonna be 50 dollars cheaper than what the one x launched at
499 for disc ps5, 449 for digital
499 for xsx (ms eating massive losses), 399 lockhart
By Xpike Go To Postwhat youre telling me is last time, sony opened the console with the GOAT knackyeah but Knack is no Indie high school furries
By Red Blaster Go To Postxsx isn't gonna be 50 dollars cheaper than what the one x launched at
499 for disc ps5, 449 for digital
499 for xsx (ms eating massive losses), 399 lockhart
I seriously expect MS to try and really undercut Sony and with an ostensibly more powerful console too. They can afford to, and they need to be very aggressive in their approach in order to claw back this gen.
every gen people expect MS to unleash their "warchest" and undercut the competition. Every gen they're wrong.
By data Go To PostThe fact that they didn't reveal a price is keyI’m thinking $399 all digital and $499 for the disc version. Sony took a slight hit on the PS4 and I firmly believe they’ll be willing to take a hit here.
600 bucks to start
By syrenity now! Go To Postevery gen people expect MS to unleash their "warchest" and undercut the competition. Every gen they're wrong.360?
By Dipro Go To Post360?Can't undercut your competition if they release a year later.
By domino Go To Postif they come out at $399 MS may as well pack it upI dont know about that - 399 seems too low.
By syrenity now! Go To PostCan't undercut your competition if they release a year later.So they had one chance then to undercut them in your opinion. Why did you say we expect it everytime then?
By Laboured Go To PostYeah I was thinking more like $250.Not even the 1X reached that price, despite having older components.
Pretty sure both will go for 499.
Lockhart at 350 and PS5 digital for 450.
By Dipro Go To PostSo they had one chance then to undercut them in your opinion. Why did you say we expect it everytime then?xbox one
xbox one x
keep up son
By Dipro Go To Post360?tbf most of that warchest went on rrod
By syrenity now! Go To Postxbox one
xbox one x
keep up son
You said each gen bro. That's the same gen.