By FortuneFaded Go To PostWhy is there a blu ray of Peter Rabbit on the wall?Black people worship Peter Rabbit, they just keep quiet about it.
By DY_nasty Go To Posti am now a barbershop truther lmaoyknow warrens crew dont want to go anywhere near there
warren's crew can't even be bothered to go to a real barbershop and pay brehs off liz pls this is easy
vice dropped the act and went full sensationalist years ago
charter schools are primarily a problem when tax money or redistricting purposefully happens to subvert existing programs. they're not inherently evil nor are public schools completely free of all private support to begin with. and its detroit ffs lol. the only thing that's gonna save that area is private money since that's what propped up the city in the first place
charter schools are primarily a problem when tax money or redistricting purposefully happens to subvert existing programs. they're not inherently evil nor are public schools completely free of all private support to begin with. and its detroit ffs lol. the only thing that's gonna save that area is private money since that's what propped up the city in the first place
By DY_nasty Go To Postcharter schools are primarily a problem when tax money or redistricting purposefully happens to subvert existing programs.Yeah, this is pretty much their thesis.
Also I’d reckon they’re also a problem when the state’s education standards and achievement go down. Charters in general fail to provide adequate education comparable to public schools on an aggregate basis.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostYeah, this is pretty much their thesis.yeah.... nah. im not really with that. public schools have always floated around varying degrees of passable at best
Also I’d reckon they’re also a problem when the state’s education standards and achievement go down. Charters in general fail to provide adequate education comparable to public schools on an aggregate basis.
there'd be no lane for charters if the public schools were adequate in even great circumstances to begin with. either way.... the fact that detroit's been financially aired out for around 40 years is obviously going to lead to funding for infrastructure, teachers, programs, etc taking a hit. if you want to nail a particular standard or policy to this it'd be nochildleftbehind or something. but even then, that's not wholly what describes detroit's unique situation or what the solutions may be. this isn't a louisiana or nc issue where districts are being deliberately changed to support one particular community over another. its not a rapid gentrification issue either where money is being blatantly redirected to kill one school and justify another. they literally can't pay anyone enough to teach there.
they're fucked and the only answer is a return to company town status imho.
state by state standards aside, its still on job markets/additional education to set the bar after the fact and again - detroit. this is one of the many things that happens when a urban area implodes.
https://www.mackinac.org/school-employees-dump-michigan-education-association-in-droves
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/frustrated-teacher-shortages-michigan-educators-offer-their-solutions
its not even about charter schools man. these problems are WAY bigger than that
The problems with public schools in America won't change until they change how schools get their funding at the local level. That's always going to be the thing creating the divide in quality from district to district. But people don't care about schools their kids don't attend and are totally cool with other people (read: nonwhites) getting a worse education (because they convince themselves the children wouldn't learn in a good school anyway, etc.).
By DY_nasty Go To Postyeah…. nah. im not really with that. public schools have always floated around varying degrees of passable at bestIt’s not really about what you’re “with”, that bolded statement is a statement of fact. Michigan has regressed heavily due to the DeVos family and their ilk hoodwinking the state to adopt charter schools. That’s the unfortunate reality of the situation.
there'd be no lane for charters if the public schools were adequate in even great circumstances to begin with. either way…. the fact that detroit's been financially aired out for around 40 years is obviously going to lead to funding for infrastructure, teachers, programs, etc taking a hit. if you want to nail a particular standard or policy to this it'd be nochildleftbehind or something. but even then, that's not wholly what describes detroit's unique situation or what the solutions may be. this isn't a louisiana or nc issue where districts are being deliberately changed to support one particular community over another. its not a rapid gentrification issue either where money is being blatantly redirected to kill one school and justify another. they literally can't pay anyone enough to teach there.
they're fucked and the only answer is a return to company town status imho.
state by state standards aside, its still on job markets/additional education to set the bar after the fact and again - detroit. this is one of the many things that happens when a urban area implodes.
https://www.mackinac.org/school-employees-dump-michigan-education-association-in-droves
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/frustrated-teacher-shortages-michigan-educators-offer-their-solutions
its not even about charter schools man. these problems are WAY bigger than that
Rest of your post is stuff I agree with for the most part. I’m not making the argument that the present public school isn’t in need of reform and it’s far from perfect. However the solution certainly isn’t to allow corporations and the rich to operate schools without accountability and through siphoning of public funds. Public education in the US is jacked up from all levels and it’s sad to see.
and through siphoning of public fundsYour mistake is thinking that's something not occurring within the public school administrations.
The hoodwink couldn't have ever occurred if Detroit and Michigan as a whole was in any position to continue their decades long trend to desolation....
You can't frame a decades old problem around the last few years anymore than you can label the entirety of US k-12 education on what has happened in Detroit. And isolating the cause around just charter schools? That's absurd.
Maybe Lord Bezos will save them. Maybe he won't.
You can't frame a decades old problem around the last few years anymore than you can label the entirety of US k-12 education on what has happened in Detroit. And isolating the cause around just charter schools? That's absurd.
By rodeoclown Go To PostThe problems with public schools in America won't change until they change how schools get their funding at the local level. That's always going to be the thing creating the divide in quality from district to district. But people don't care about schools their kids don't attend and are totally cool with other people (read: nonwhites) getting a worse education (because they convince themselves the children wouldn't learn in a good school anyway, etc.).True. But in Detroit even the white ppl are poor af lol
Maybe Lord Bezos will save them. Maybe he won't.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostIt’s not really about what you’re “with”, that bolded statement is a statement of fact. Michigan has regressed heavily due to the DeVos family and their ilk hoodwinking the state to adopt charter schools. That’s the unfortunate reality of the situation.It's true. They have convinced people to divert already tenuous state-level funding to for-profit charter schools in the name of "school choice" and these schools aren't held accountable for anything. They don't have to comply with any standards and laws like IDEA don't apply to them. The quality of education kids are getting at these schools is generally worse and there's numerous examples like what's happened in Michigan and Louisiana.
By rodeoclown Go To PostIt's true. They have convinced people to divert already tenuous state-level funding to for-profit charter schools in the name of "school choice" and these schools aren't held accountable for anything. They don't have to comply with any standards and laws like IDEA don't apply to them. The quality of education kids are getting at these schools is generally worse and there's numerous examples like what's happened in Michigan and Louisiana.While I agree with that, the scale of the failure in Detroit in particular is on another level. And that's where I'm taking issue (and saying that the US as a whole feels problems on that level).
You've got a mayor in baltimore syphoning off money, big zuck money in new jersey, cali being cali - none of those places are as bad as Detroit because Detroit's problems are bigger than just the charter schools growing where public schools should be. Those are failed urban center/metropolis problems.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThe hoodwink couldn't have ever occurred if Detroit and Michigan as a whole was in any position to continue their decades long trend to desolation….I’m doing no such thing. My issue is only with charter schools here in general, Detroit and Michigan is just a microcosm of the problem. You’re doing your “responding to stuff I never said” shtick again.
You can't frame a decades old problem around the last few years anymore than you can label the entirety of US k-12 education on what has happened in Detroit. And isolating the cause around just charter schools? That's absurd.
Also, charter schools isn’t even an isolated problem to Michigan. Look at Louisiana post-Katrina and New Jersey when Cory Booker teamed up with Zuckerberg to destroy the state’s schools. It’s fully in line with what has been happening in the US the past 30 years or so where public goods and services are being siphoned and sold off in favour of privatization and “market solutions”. This isn’t even a Republican-only thing when Clinton and Obama were heavily in on the scheme too.
Y’all call Fender a fake democrat but here you are defending charter schools. Smh
By DY_nasty Go To PostTrue. But in Detroit even the white ppl are poor af lolIt's kind of an urban and suburban split in that instance, but the idea is the same. There are Detroit suburbs where they're able to spend more money per student and people in the suburbs aren't going to send that money into the urban schools to help them out.
Maybe Lord Bezos will save them. Maybe he won't.
The American public school system, with the way the funding mechanism is designed, is basically designed to keep the poor poor. Districts in poorer neighborhoods get less tax money for funding, so they can't afford the same amenities and they can't afford to keep good teachers. Kids get a worse education (if they don't drop out) and are less prepared to life after school.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostY’all call Fender a fake democrat but here you are defending charter schools. Smhlol if that's what you got from what people are saying, christ.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostI’m doing no such thing. My issue is only with charter schools here in general, Detroit and Michigan is just a microcosm of the problem. You’re doing your “responding to stuff I never said” shtick again.The only thing I'm 'defending' is your mischaracterization of a problem and a big generalization on top of that - from a vice news 10 minute spicy take at that
Also, charter schools isn’t even an isolated problem to Michigan. Look at Louisiana post-Katrina and New Jersey when Cory Booker teamed up with Zuckerberg to destroy the state’s schools. It’s fully in line with what has been happening in the US the past 30 years or so where public goods and services are being siphoned and sold off in favour of privatization and “market solutions”. This isn’t even a Republican-only thing when Clinton and Obama were heavily in on the scheme too.
Y’all call Fender a fake democrat but here you are defending charter schools. Smh
If your entire frame of reference for what's wrong with Detroit is the past few presidents then you're missing the rest of the story. Don't give me that reddit comments section bs when I'm one of the few people to even mention teacher's unions here lol
If you think I'm responding to things you aren't saying then its likely because you don't realize what you're saying
By DY_nasty Go To PostThe only thing I'm 'defending' is your mischaracterization of a problem and a big generalization on top of that - from a vice news 10 minute spicy take at thatOnly problem I mentioned was charter schools and that they aren’t the solution to whatever you think Detroit’s problem is, didn’t say anything about what’s wrong with Detroit in general. You went off on other things that I agree with anyway so what’s your point other than weirdly arguing for the sake of arguing when I already agree with you.
If your entire frame of reference for what's wrong with Detroit is the past few presidents then you're missing the rest of the story. Don't give me that reddit comments section bs when I'm one of the few people to even mention teacher's unions here lol
If you think I'm responding to things you aren't saying then its likely because you don't realize what you're saying
By Perfect Blue Go To PostOnly problem I mentioned was charter schools and that they aren’t the solution to whatever you think Detroit’s problem is, didn’t say anything about what’s wrong with Detroit in general. You went off on other things that I agree with anyway so what’s your point other than weirdly arguing for the sake of arguing when I already agree with you.bro what is with you trying to find something to be upset about lol
You drop a vice news video and put all of a country under the umbrella of one its worst cities. hey, sweeping generalizations lazy type are bad still. let me comment real quick.
then after winding up, repeating what others have posted and saying i'm what's wrong with democracy, you agree?
im the jackass tho ok
Like if I were to ask you right now if you think public schools can fail all on their own without pressure from charter schools on them, you'd agree with that too, right? wtf
By i can get you a toe Go To Postlol if that's what you got from what people are saying, christ.add this to the list of being a climate change denier, racist, pro-death camp, etc
By DY_nasty Go To Postbro what is with you trying to find something to be upset about lolI already said I agree with your assessment on Michigan and the larger issues plaguing stuff the US public school system in my second reply to you lol. If you didn’t care to read it then idk what to say.
You drop a vice news video and put all of a country under the umbrella of one its worst cities. hey, sweeping generalizations lazy type are bad still. let me comment real quick.
then after winding up, repeating what others have posted and saying i'm what's wrong with democracy, you agree?
im the jackass tho ok
Like if I were to ask you right now if you think public schools can fail all on their own without pressure from charter schools on them, you'd agree with that too, right? wtf
"Michigan has regressed heavily due to the DeVos family and their ilk hoodwinking the state to adopt charter schools. That’s the unfortunate reality of the situation."
This is *not* the reality of the situation though.
If discussing the cause and effect of a specific issue makes you uncomfortable because someone's agreement isn't agreeable enough then that's not my or anyone's problem.
Especially when you start at "Damn y’all really privatizing PUBLIC education" like shit is some sort of outside looking in revelation or something. How do I know what you don't know? The way that video is framed neglected a LOT of history and focused on one of many factors in all this. If you knew that, why react the way you did? And I didn't even come at you crazy or anything but you've somehow got me labeled as a defender of charter schools when not only is that not a yes/no type of dilemma but its not even what I was doing.
This is *not* the reality of the situation though.
If discussing the cause and effect of a specific issue makes you uncomfortable because someone's agreement isn't agreeable enough then that's not my or anyone's problem.
Especially when you start at "Damn y’all really privatizing PUBLIC education" like shit is some sort of outside looking in revelation or something. How do I know what you don't know? The way that video is framed neglected a LOT of history and focused on one of many factors in all this. If you knew that, why react the way you did? And I didn't even come at you crazy or anything but you've somehow got me labeled as a defender of charter schools when not only is that not a yes/no type of dilemma but its not even what I was doing.
Yeah it's getting old in here when folks are talking about consequences and it turns into allegations of defending shitty privatization or whatever else. Fact of the matter is a lot of awful stuff gets a foot hold in precisely because the public option well is already poisoned waters. Talking about regions that are already fucked by a funding tied into property taxes and people dipping and outright stealing tens of thousands or more from the district, where should their faith and energy lie after all that?
By DY_nasty Go To PostEspecially when you start at "Damn y’all really privatizing PUBLIC education" like shit is some sort of outside looking in revelation or something.That's a fair point. I will stop with the snark in the future, sorry.
dy just wants to close the schools, get rid of the child labour laws and get the kids back in the factories where they belong.
By Xpike Go To Postor just allow teachers to beat the childrenThe private sector, namely dy industries, is more than capable of meeting the nations child beating needs.
By Xpike Go To Postor just allow teachers to beat the studentsFixed
By Gaby Go To Posthi guys what did i missare you a barbershop truther or nah
By Punished Go To PostGetting lined up in cheap rolling chair son
Barbershop with carpet should be a big red flag.
By blackace Go To PostVice shuckingLast good thing they did was cover ISIS drug use in Iraq before the mosul mess
Between this and pushing a conspiracy that Pete Buttigieg's campaign manager was running a Nigerian account on the side, Bernie supporters are right up there with Trump's. Brokered convention will be hell because those supporters (Not Me, Us) have pissed off just about every other campaign going.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/pete-buttigieg-campaign-sockpuppet-nigerian
All based on the premise that 'no black person could ever support Buttigieg (or now Warren)'. Shit is nasty. Even Bernie surrogates have been pushing this stuff.
End result: Nigerian dude supporting a gay candidate doxxed in a country where homosexuality is illegal.
All based on the premise that 'no black person could ever support Buttigieg (or now Warren)'. Shit is nasty. Even Bernie surrogates have been pushing this stuff.
End result: Nigerian dude supporting a gay candidate doxxed in a country where homosexuality is illegal.
so the proof that they are known Bernie supporters is what?
Really just feels like the democrats have just lost the faith of the African-americans after failing them again and again
Really just feels like the democrats have just lost the faith of the African-americans after failing them again and again