By DY_nasty Go To Postchina been killing their own ppl by the truckload since they been called chinaI’m not disagreeing with that.
the world can't even get accurate reporting out of hong kong
mainland china? lole
any time you hear a news report about anything happening in china just assume at least three times the number of deaths reported.
mainland china? lole
any time you hear a news report about anything happening in china just assume at least three times the number of deaths reported.
By DY_nasty Go To Postthe world can't even get accurate reporting out of hong kongAgain you’re not wrong but to go from that to “the death toll is actually in the 10k level” is absurd. The regime’s response to the crisis doesn’t at all signal them to be masterminds able to disappear 10k bodies and have no one knowing, with all the media and WHO etc on their backs. That’s my point.
mainland china? lole
any time you hear a news report about anything happening in china just assume at least three times the number of deaths reported.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostAgain you’re not wrong but to go from that to “the death toll is actually in the 10k level” is absurd. The regime’s response to the crisis doesn’t at all signal them to be masterminds able to disappear 10k bodies and have no one knowing, with all the media and WHO etc on their backs.they've been openly disappearing thousands of people since the 50s. its not even a 'masterminding' thing either. when you view your people as an expendable resource and the international community accepts that there's no point even addressing it, its not a conspiracy.
shit, i was just telling a friend how dozens of people died in china during a fucking traffic jam. you can't apply the normal lens to stuff over there... hell, they reeducated an actress and sat down a key member of interpol boldly. the average no name chinese citizen who steps wrong probably goes straight to a trashcan or something instead of some spooky back alley.
By DY_nasty Go To Postthey've been openly disappearing thousands of people since the 50s. its not even a 'masterminding' thing either. when you view your people as an expendable resource and the international community accepts that there's no point even addressing it, its not a conspiracy.You’re missing the point yet again, my dude. We know all about that stuff that happened, whereas the government openly lying about the death toll being 10x as much as reported and no one questioning it isn’t the same thing. The CCP isn’t good at hiding stuff.
shit, i was just telling a friend how dozens of people died in china during a fucking traffic jam. you can't apply the normal lens to stuff over there… hell, they reeducated an actress and sat down a key member of interpol boldly. the average no name chinese citizen who steps wrong probably goes straight to a trashcan or something instead of some spooky back alley.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostYou’re missing the point yet again, my dude. We know all about that stuff that happened, whereas the government openly lying about the death toll being 10x as much as reported and no one questioning it isn’t the same thing. The CCP isn’t good at hiding stuff.restate your point for me, because it sounds like you believe that anyone takes china at their word
By DY_nasty Go To Postrestate your point for me, because it sounds like you believe that anyone takes china at their wordThey don’t, but the death toll being 10k is absurd. These dudes get caught whenever they try some fuckery they wouldn’t be able to hide the true death toll if it was really that high. There’s no subtlety to the regime.
I'm kinda not understanding what you mean by subtle I guess.
China's never needed to Khashoggi anyone and an entire military backbone got aired out without some sort of formal reporting handed out to the rest of the world. There's open intimidation handed out to executives and students alike and coercion offered to their families. If that's what they do in the open, then the news that doesn't make it out is obviously worse. There's not really a barometer for applicable accountability or responsibility to do so to use here.
Actions taken outside of China seem to indicate responses that don't match what China has disclosed or what's covered in our media as well. Very few medical concerns have led to a quarantine of this nature and magnitude. Zika was by all accounts more difficult to immediately detect and held the risk of effecting unborn children (which is its own batch of horrific problems). Didn't have anything close to this sort of international response.
Signs point to shit not matching up.
For that matter, Zika's reporting was extremely jacked up and that was without a country like China direclty involved. Not saying that 10k is certain or anything but if it was true it shouldn't surprise anyone.
China's never needed to Khashoggi anyone and an entire military backbone got aired out without some sort of formal reporting handed out to the rest of the world. There's open intimidation handed out to executives and students alike and coercion offered to their families. If that's what they do in the open, then the news that doesn't make it out is obviously worse. There's not really a barometer for applicable accountability or responsibility to do so to use here.
Actions taken outside of China seem to indicate responses that don't match what China has disclosed or what's covered in our media as well. Very few medical concerns have led to a quarantine of this nature and magnitude. Zika was by all accounts more difficult to immediately detect and held the risk of effecting unborn children (which is its own batch of horrific problems). Didn't have anything close to this sort of international response.
Signs point to shit not matching up.
For that matter, Zika's reporting was extremely jacked up and that was without a country like China direclty involved. Not saying that 10k is certain or anything but if it was true it shouldn't surprise anyone.
By DY_nasty Go To PostIf that's what they do in the open, then the news that doesn't make it out is obviously worse.For this to be true they have to be good enough to be able to hide stuff, which all the evidence points to the contrary.
By Lunatic Go To PostCan anyone explain why Pelosi is so rich?Her husband is a venture capitalist
By Perfect Blue Go To PostThis assumes they are good enough to be able to hide stuff, which all the evidence points to the contrary.you don't need be particularly precise or deliberate when the world is more concerned with the outcome/effect than the inner workings of x country
how is this different than how russia 'hides' things
hell, who is good at hiding things by this weird standard lol
It's easy to hide things when you also own the oversight. Just because things leak every so often doesn't mean it only gets as bad as the leaked snippets suggest -- it can be much worse.
By Punished Go To PostAre those the cunts who wanted the royal family to rule?
the other party they merged with was the Centre Party
There’s no mass coordinated effort to hide deaths jesus.
People are dying before they’re being diagnosed. That’s it
People are dying before they’re being diagnosed. That’s it
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostThere’s no mass coordinated effort to hide deaths jesus.Just saying it wouldn't surprise me if there's an unaccounted for human grave or two. Or a few disagreeable citizens thrown in either for that matter.
People are dying before they’re being diagnosed. That’s it
By DY_nasty Go To PostJust saying it wouldn't surprise me if there's an unaccounted for human grave or two. Or a few disagreeable citizens thrown in either for that matter.
We haven’t seen any alarming death rates for cases caught outside of China. The number of deaths is consistent with the number of diagnosed cases. And the lack of diagnostics kits has been well documented.
Would appreciate it if we treated the people suffering in Hubei like real people and not numbers that might be faked
By reilo Go To PostFriendly reminder that caucuses need to die and are undemocraticWuhan isn't in the Caucasus.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostWe haven’t seen any alarming death rates for cases caught outside of China. The number of deaths is consistent with the number of diagnosed cases. And the lack of diagnostics kits has been well documented.would be nice if China did that. yes I agree
Would appreciate it if we treated the people suffering in Hubei like real people and not numbers that might be faked
By DY_nasty Go To Postchecking in on nypd/ny relations…NYPD makes Trump look thick skinned.
this is fine
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostWe haven’t seen any alarming death rates for cases caught outside of China. The number of deaths is consistent with the number of diagnosed cases. And the lack of diagnostics kits has been well documented.Gotta beat the drums of war, of course.
Would appreciate it if we treated the people suffering in Hubei like real people and not numbers that might be faked
By DY_nasty Go To Posthow is "China is full of shit regarding anything human rights related" warmongeringTrump on the brain.
By DY_nasty Go To Posthow is "China is full of shit regarding anything human rights related" warmongeringChina, excellent at communism, excellent in human rights. Stay hating, DY.
Speaking of actual potential acts of war:
On Monday morning, the Department of Justice announced the indictment of four members of China’s military in connection with the 2017 hack of credit reporting agency Equifax, which exposed sensitive information for some 150 million Americans in 2017.
By DY_nasty Go To Posthow is "China is full of shit regarding anything human rights related" warmongeringlol because that’s totally the point you were making. You’re so full of shit and dishonest it’s unreal.
By DY_nasty Go To Postwould be nice if China did that. yes I agreeWho is “China”? Is it the politburo? Is it the PLA? Is it the local party cadres? Is it the people living and dying in Wuhan?
If you stopped treating a whole-ass country as one entity then maybe you’ll discover there are actual people with lives living in it
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostWho is “China”? Is it the politburo? Is it the PLA? Is it the local party cadres? Is it the people living and dying in Wuhan?He's clearly talking about the government, wtf
If you stopped treating a whole-ass country as one entity then maybe you’ll discover there are actual people with lives living in it
You two, seriously. Just because DY is bringing up China's handling/mishandling of the Coronavirus (and you can't fucking say they handled it well in the beginning), doesn't mean he's making an indictment of every living Chinese person in the world.
By reilo Go To PostYou two, seriously. Just because DY is bringing up China's handling/mishandling of the Coronavirus (and you can't fucking say they handled it well in the beginning), doesn't mean he's making an indictment of every living Chinese person in the world.You’d be correct if that’s what he was saying. That’s all reasonable.
But to seriously entertain the notion that the death toll is actually in the tens of thousands is veering dangerously close to offensive conspiracy theory garbage. It’s the kind of shit you’d read on r/TheDonald.
By reilo Go To PostHe's clearly talking about the government, wtf
Treating the CPC as synonymous with “China” is pretty much what the central committee wants.
So few people in the Anglosphere speak Chinese nor are they familiar with the people and culture so the language you use needs to be precise.
By reilo Go To PostYou two, seriously. Just because DY is bringing up China's handling/mishandling of the Coronavirus (and you can't fucking say they handled it well in the beginning), doesn't mean he's making an indictment of every living Chinese person in the world.
If that’s all he’s saying I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Hundreds of millions of Chinese people would agree. But that’s not all he’s saying, is it?
By Perfect Blue Go To PostYou’d be correct if that’s what he was saying. That’s all reasonable.
But to seriously entertain the notion that the death toll is actually in the tens of thousands is veering dangerously close to offensive conspiracy theory garbage. It’s the kind of shit you’d read on r/TheDonald.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostTreating the CPC as synonymous with “China” is pretty much what the central committee wants.I mean, do we disagree that there isn't precedence here?
So few people in the Anglosphere speak Chinese nor are they familiar with the people and culture so the language you use needs to be precise.
If that’s all he’s saying I wouldn’t have a problem with it. Hundreds of millions of Chinese people would agree. But that’s not all he’s saying, is it?
By reilo Go To PostI mean, do we disagree that there isn't precedence here?*looks at Xinjiang*
No, not at all.
And that’s his cue to launder wild conspiracies? Just yesterday there was a conspiracy going around claiming higher SO2 in the air in Hubei indicates Wuhan is burning dead bodies in the tens of thousands.
Today [edit: Friday] the fucking NYTimes just reprinted a dumb conspiracy that every day the deaths vs cases rate is exactly 2.1% and no one bothered to fact check.
It’s all so fucking exhausting. I’m done
Today [edit: Friday] the fucking NYTimes just reprinted a dumb conspiracy that every day the deaths vs cases rate is exactly 2.1% and no one bothered to fact check.
It’s all so fucking exhausting. I’m done
By reilo Go To PostI mean, do we disagree that there isn't precedence here?Difference being they wouldn’t be able to hide something of that scale from the outside world. The PRC isn’t North Korea its a modern, industrialized nation.
I'm kinda irritated Cali for moved up in the primaries. I've never been hammered with political ads like I am by Bloomberg ads currently.
Don't trust the CCP for shit. That shouldn't be a controversial stance given well everything. Xi, how they handled previous outbreaks, how they handled this one, how they've treated people who "leaked info", how they generally handle what they consider dissidents. There is sinophobia and bullshit floating around but there's also no reason to accept what the Chinese government claims at face value without any skepticism.
WASHINGTON — President Trump released a $4.8 trillion budget proposal on Monday that includes a familiar list of deep cuts to student loan assistance, affordable housing efforts, food stamps and Medicaid, reflecting Mr. Trump’s election-year effort to continue shrinking the federal safety net.Shocking noone
The proposal, which must be approved by Congress, includes additional spending for the military, national defense and border enforcement, along with money for Mr. Trump’s Space Force initiative and an extension of the individual income tax cuts that were set to expire in 2025. Its biggest reduction is an annual 2 percent decrease in spending on discretionary domestic programs, like education and environmental protection.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostDon't trust the CCP for shit. That shouldn't be a controversial stance given well everything. Xi, how they handled previous outbreaks, how they handled this one, how they've treated people who "leaked info", how they generally handle what they consider dissidents. There is sinophobia and bullshit floating around but there's also no reason to accept what the Chinese government claims at face value without any skepticism.It has nothing to do with trust. If the real death toll was in 5 figures we would know about it and they’d have no way of hiding that.
Until we see data that speaks to the contrary, let's just stop speculating on what's happening on the ground. please.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostIt has nothing to do with trust. If the real death toll was in 5 figures we would know about it and they’d have no way of hiding that.In a province of 58 million people, is a random person not being able to tell the difference between 900 bodies and 10,000 that far fetched?
I don't think its worth speculating about numbers, but from all the leaks that have come out.. the numbers they have said seem low.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostUntil we see data that speaks to the contrary, let's just stop speculating on what's happening on the ground. please.With a government that isn't willing to let outside help in, and is notorious for false information.. speculation/rumors/conspiracies are going to happen. I'm fine with people asking to keep that to a minimum in this thread, though.
