It's really easy to lawyer up under the whistleblower claim
It's much less easier to run to Ecuador/China/Russia, whatever
Also if you don't think Russia prevented him from flying out then lol
"got stuck in Russia"
I'm still laughing
It's much less easier to run to Ecuador/China/Russia, whatever
Also if you don't think Russia prevented him from flying out then lol
"got stuck in Russia"
I'm still laughing
By Perfect Blue Go To PostOf course I can't, but I'm not the one making a claim either way.you're ignoring logic to do it though
who gets indefinite political asylum of that magnitude for free. dude didn't even have to leave ffs... "stuck in russia" tho lol wew
By i can get you a toe Go To PostI mean if you want to pretend there aren't other avenues for whistleblowers to take, go right ahead. I'm done with a lack of criticism over his choices of country to hole up in cause *reasons* or *his life is in danger*, like other whistleblowers haven't dealt with the same shit. If anything this discussion is really insulting to them and their legacy.But if you can't be a rockstar, is it even worth it? lol
its absurd and the fantasy disconnect here is wild. whistleblower and ombudsman offices stay on call. there's fucked up shit out there for sure but acting like snowden even entertained that or limited his release to just the specific concerns or even that he played his entire hand before taking off? you gotta really make it work
By DY_nasty Go To Postyou're ignoring logic to do it thoughLogic of what? States don't act logically or rationally 100% of the time, all of the time, it just doesn't work that way. It's cute you talk about "fantasy disconnects" when you're conjuring up spy film scenarios from thin air lol I mean, go for it. If you don't want to believe that he got stuck in Russia and that Cuba wouldn't let them land due to US pressure, feel free. What's the point of even discussing if we will ignore the most basic facts of what actually occurred.
who gets indefinite political asylum of that magnitude for free. dude didn't even have to leave ffs… "stuck in russia" tho lol wew
But if you can't be a rockstar, is it even worth it? lol
its absurd and the fantasy disconnect here is wild. whistleblower and ombudsman offices stay on call. there's fucked up shit out there for sure but acting like snowden even entertained that or limited his release to just the specific concerns or even that he played his entire hand before taking off? you gotta really make it work
By n8 dogg Go To Postthe government can spy on me if they wantrip
all they’ll find is slaent
By blackace Go To PostripAlpha going jail.
By n8 dogg Go To Postthe government can spy on me if they wantdy is already here
all they’ll find is slaent
By Perfect Blue Go To PostLogic of what? States don't act logically or rationally 100% of the time, all of the time, it just doesn't work that way. It's cute you talk about "fantasy disconnects" when you're conjuring up spy film scenarios from thin air lol I mean, go for it. If you don't want to believe that he got stuck in Russia and that Cuba wouldn't let them land due to US pressure, feel free. What's the point of even discussing if we will ignore the most basic facts of what actually occurred.No. Again, you're not going to host a guy like that if they do nothing for you. That's going the opposite direction of logic. There is zero value in offering asylum to a wanted man indefinitely unless he's giving you more than what he's worth. That's not spy fantasy, that's how shit works with North Korean defectors, ousted diplomats, corporate heads/oligarchs, the highly skilled, etc. There is an exchange.
Plus he never had to leave lol. Bergdahl of all people is alive and protected. Shit, he just took off the first time it started looking like he wouldn't get the hero treatment... There's thousands of whistleblowers that get the mission accomplished, watch their boss's office get cleaned out, and don't even miss a day of work. I know. I did that shit myself. Its hard to fight that kind of case when you put out information to journalists who love getting themselves involved in dangerous situations that they can't possibly manage and also when some of that information has nothing to do with your particular grievance. That's the problem he brought on himself and what you guys keep dodging.
And ffs.... that shit gets journalists bodied all the time. Irresponsible as hell
By DY_nasty Go To PostNo. Again, you're not going to host a guy like that if they do nothing for you. That's going the opposite direction of logic. There is zero value in offering asylum to a wanted man indefinitely unless he's giving you more than what he's worth. That's not spy fantasy, that's how shit works with North Korean defectors, ousted diplomats, corporate heads/oligarchs, the highly skilled, etc. There is an exchange.This was happening in mid-2013 though, right at the time when western relations with Russia were starting to sour, when the US signed the Magnitsky Act, Ukranian revolution, Russian fighter jets with cruise missiles around Guam, and then shortly after that the annexation of Crimea and the war in Ukraine, etc. The value of Snowden could be argued that just having him there served as a middle finger and thorn in the side of the US from the Russians. That's arguably more valuable in itself than whatever he could gave them at the time but I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
Plus he never had to leave lol. Bergdahl of all people is alive and protected. Shit, he just took off the first time it started looking like he wouldn't get the hero treatment… There's thousands of whistleblowers that get the mission accomplished, watch their boss's office get cleaned out, and don't even miss a day of work. I know. I did that shit myself. Its hard to fight that kind of case when you put out information to journalists who love getting themselves involved in dangerous situations that they can't possibly manage and also when some of that information has nothing to do with your particular grievance. That's the problem he brought on himself and what you guys keep dodging.
And ffs…. that shit gets journalists bodied all the time. Irresponsible as hell
By Perfect Blue Go To PostThis was happening in mid-2013 though, right at the time when western relations with Russia were starting to sour, when the US signed the Magnitsky Act, Ukranian revolution, Russian fighter jets with cruise missiles around Guam, and then shortly after that the annexation of Crimea and the war in Ukraine, etc. The value of Snowden could be argued that just having him there served as a middle finger and thorn in the side of the US from the Russians. That's arguably more value in itself than whatever he could gave them at the time but I'm open to being convinced otherwise.starting to sour? ffs they've been the one clear adversary of this country since the 50s and never otherwise
if you want to piss off the US you can do it in all sorts of ways. you don't need to harbor someone to do it. go burn a flag or something.
By inky Go To PostIf he stayed in America, he'd be in prison or worse. At least let's be real about that.i kinda doubt it if he didn't go to some journalists. you can report shit in all directions.... its not like he's dumb.
By DY_nasty Go To Poststarting to sour? ffs they've been the one clear adversary of this country since the 50s and never otherwiseI mean... relative to whatever Obama and Clinton were trying to do with the reset lol.
if you want to piss off the US you can do it in all sorts of ways. you don't need to harbor someone to do it. go burn a flag or something.
I have a hard time believing that the Ukraine whistleblower can stay protected after Trump got impeached but Snowden had no other options but to buddy up with Russia.
Oh look, Russia imprisoning an American citizen for sixteen years on the accusations of espionage:
Good guy Russia
Around six in the evening on December 28, 2018, Paul Whelan was in his room at the Metropol Hotel, a stately Art Nouveau building across from Moscow’s Bolshoi Theatre. He was in town for the wedding of an American friend who was marrying a Russian woman. Whelan, who was forty-eight and had a career in corporate security, had visited Russia several times before and picked up a bit of the language. He was always happy for the chance to visit Moscow and thought that he could help other guests make their way around town.
However Whelan ended up in the F.S.B.’s sights, once he entered Lefortovo his value to Russia became obvious: Moscow would seek to trade him for high-value prisoners held in the United States. Whelan relayed to his lawyers how, in the moments following his arrest, the masked F.S.B. officers who searched him told him, “You’ll be traded.” On two occasions, Whelan was taken from his cell at Lefortovo and driven to F.S.B. headquarters, on Lubyanka Square. At those unofficial interrogations—by law, Whelan should only be questioned in the presence of one of his lawyers—F.S.B. officers told him that the sooner he admitted his guilt, the sooner he would be sent home in an exchange.
In Washington, officials scrambled to understand how Whelan might have ended up the target of a Russian operation. Intelligence officials told the White House that he had no relationship to the C.I.A., the F.B.I., or any other government agency.https://apple.news/AavrcBvEeQjS1ZudDPKeDZA
Good guy Russia
trying to decide what i care about the least. he said / she said journalism or the illusion that presidents give any fucks about vets
By inky Go To Post#notheonion
It’s close
By Fenderputty Go To PostShe’s kind of cute
Everyone’s got an opinion
By DiPro Go To Postwill he lose Dy's support now that he went after his boys?
Nothing stops this train
By Perfect Blue Go To PostI only know the 'Singapore Grip' as a sexual position.
Lol the British have no shame. What a country
By DY_nasty Go To Postalmost no one cares about vetskeeping soldiers alive after they've served their purpose is socialism
By n8 dogg Go To PostThe shit Trump is retweeting today lmaoSpeaking of tides...
By LFMartins86 Go To PostSpeaking of tides…
Let's hope DY was wearing a life jacket.
By reilo Go To PostWeren't you contemplating going out to fight pirates in the Atlantic off the coast of Africayolo
By reilo Go To PostWeren't you contemplating going out to fight pirates in the Atlantic off the coast of Africa
Antifa are kinda like pirates