By JesalR Go To PostApparently in Baghdadim gonna wait for all the facts because this shit is crazy to me
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postwow trump literally trolling with us flag jpegs on twitterI don't even think Trump truly knows who the fuck this dude is but lol fuck it.
I'm honestly not sure how to feel about this one. Technically its impeachable (lolz) but these fucks 'let' the revolutionary guard become listed as a terrorist organization months ago.
Its gonna get hot though...
Its gonna get hot though...
Won’t Iran just put another dude in that position? Seems unlikely to me they’d go to war over his death, but I’m not well versed in the specific conflict.
By diehard Go To Postwhy was he even in Iraq?he was coming from syria apparently which is also lul
At least I might finally get a follow-up season to my favourite TV show ever, Generation Kill.
Thank you for your respective sacrifices, AmeriBros.
Thank you for your respective sacrifices, AmeriBros.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostWon’t Iran just put another dude in that position? Seems unlikely to me they’d go to war over his death, but I’m not well versed in the specific conflict.He is the second most powerful person in Iran. It's a pretty big loss.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostWon’t Iran just put another dude in that position? Seems unlikely to me they’d go to war over his death, but I’m not well versed in the specific conflict.Imagine if Iran went and used a drone strike to kill Pence on US soil
It would not go down well
By inky Go To PostThis is the year lads. This is the year everything ends.the best show ever, truly
Quasimodo predicted all this.
By Lunatic Go To PostHe is the second most powerful person in Iran. It's a pretty big loss.Is it really?
As others said structure still there and groomed replacement already took over. US Iranian (trump) policy was based om economic pressure and killing the only guy liked by secular and non secular Iranians and make him a martyr will make that policy harder to enforce (unrest turns from government anger to us anger).
And in the same time you made sure US military will get forced out of Iraq (quicker) and Iranian influence will increase in the region.
So unless full war is the idea, not sure how this can be turned in to a positive.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostWon’t Iran just put another dude in that position? Seems unlikely to me they’d go to war over his death, but I’m not well versed in the specific conflict.Not really how it works.The position remains the same, but the impact of a impossibly skilled and engaging person holding it is almost never replicated. You don't get to that sort of position or have that sort of influence by being easily replaceable.
In the most well oiled machines of development, its not something any country or group can just push through at length. And one that is suffering from really dry well so to speak, its crippling.
I'm not sure what all happens after this one (I doubt its WW3 or anything close). I definitely think some missile defense systems in the region are about to get tested though. It wasn't just Soleimani in the convoy either. There were two other fucking generals there lol. Iran's as likely to make a dumb move as they are a smart one imo. If Iran's not measured in their response, our Navy is gonna run through them.
By markao Go To PostIs it really?Don't know about that. Iran's kicking themselves because they didn't head any sort of anti-ISIS shit when it would've mattered the most. They could've easily pushed them out of Iraq and the US would've never had a reason to come back - but it was the 'safer' and more comfortable move to stress our resources and bait/provoke US and Coalition forces like they've been doing in the strait for decades now. Hell, their entire play has to been to keep us there and use the tension to justify their plans for new armament.
As others said structure still there and groomed replacement already took over. US Iranian (trump) policy was based om economic pressure and killing the only guy liked by secular and non secular Iranians and make him a martyr will make that policy harder to enforce (unrest turns from government anger to us anger).
And in the same time you made sure US military will get forced out of Iraq (quicker) and Iranian influence will increase in the region.
So unless full war is the idea, not sure how this can be turned in to a positive.
It was working.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI don't even think Trump truly knows who the fuck this dude is but lol fuck it.
Pompeo out there saying we're open to de-escalation minutes after a confirmed assassination and minutes before Trump taunts Iran about wars and negotiations on twitter. Clearly we're firing on all cylinders.
By Fenderputty Go To PostPompeo out there saying we're open to de-escalation minutes after a confirmed assassination and minutes before Trump taunts Iran about wars and negotiations on twitter. Clearly we're firing on all cylinders.I mean, retaliate then constantly ask if they're ready to stop.... What do people want them to do after an embassy gets attacked? Nothing? If it wasn't Trump, I don't even think most would be feeling a certain way about this at all.
I'm also not sure why assassination is the word here. He didn't get poisoned while enjoying an evening with his family lol.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI mean, retaliate then constantly ask if they're ready to stop…. What do people want them to do after an embassy gets attacked? Nothing? If it wasn't Trump, I don't even think most would be feeling a certain way about this at all.
I'm also not sure why assassination is the word here. He didn't get poisoned while enjoying an evening with his family lol.
Cause that's clearly what it was. There's more collateral damage with a drone so it's not? It was a very targeted and narrow attack.
And to be clear, I'm not saying the attack wasn't warranted. I honestly think it was. It's just seem rather apparent to me that shit isn't exactly coordinated at the top and our supreme leader is flying by the seat of his pants.
By DY_nasty Go To PostDon't know about that. Iran's kicking themselves because they didn't head any sort of anti-ISIS shit when it would've mattered the most. They could've easily pushed them out of Iraq and the US would've never had a reason to come back - but it was the 'safer' and more comfortable move to stress our resources and bait/provoke US and Coalition forces like they've been doing in the strait for decades now. Hell, their entire play has to been to keep us there and use the tension to justify their plans for new armament.I wasn't pointing to the Iran vs Saudi(US) in the region and don't disagree that some form of presence is good for Iran policy, but was has been happening in Iraq, their people.
It was working.
There have been growing civil unrest for a long time, over simplified "we want our country back", which was directed at both Iran and the US. Last few months it escalated and lead to Iraqi parliament asking more and more questions "why US still here", mayor police crackdowns (supported by "Iranian" militia's) and lots of dead , rockets fired -->killed American and and last one on the list was the US embassy, up until what happened yesterday.
America not only killed an Iranian General, also a few Iraqi's and did it in Baghdad, hence my feeling that the "we want our country back" will now turn up a few notches and from wanting both Iran and US out will focus more on the US and the Iraqi's calling for US forces to with draw.
But lets first wait and see what Iranian retaliation will do to the escalation of things.
UK is small time wastemen tbh.
Looking forward to the Libya shitshow now all the usual nonce states are crying about turkey again
Looking forward to the Libya shitshow now all the usual nonce states are crying about turkey again
By Fenderputty Go To PostCause that's clearly what it was. There's more collateral damage with a drone so it's not? It was a very targeted and narrow attack.I'm just saying... He was at work with the same goons that ran up on the embassy and that'd been driving this shit on for months. 'Assassination' feels like it should be reserved for people minding their own business, going about their day, and whatnot.
And to be clear, I'm not saying the attack wasn't warranted. I honestly think it was. It's just seem rather apparent to me that shit isn't exactly coordinated at the top and our supreme leader is flying by the seat of his pants.
Congress been letting presidents do this kinda shit for ages. If they wanted to prevent something like this, they'd have never let the Revolutionary Guard be labeled a terrorist organization in the first place.
By Laboured Go To PostHowling at the obvious implication re Khashoggi.
By DY_nasty Go To Post'Assassination' feels like it should be reserved for people minding their own business, going about their day, and whatnot.
This seems overly pedantic and semantical.
Anyway … I don't even think it's a bad move, but it would be nice if after making a move like that, we had some unity and I didn't feel like a war possibly hinges on a presidents twitter rants. Hawks licking their Chops. Bolton / Graham etc etc.
Geraldo providing nuance by including the deaths of Iraqis after bushes war was not something I expected there
its hard to say much without getting more info about the intelligence, which we'll never get the whole story about for like a decade anyway
By Fenderputty Go To PostGeraldo providing nuance by including the deaths of Iraqis after bushes war was not something I expected thereisn't geraldo one of the less insane people at fox?
By DY_nasty Go To PostNot really how it works.The position remains the same, but the impact of a impossibly skilled and engaging person holding it is almost never replicated. You don't get to that sort of position or have that sort of influence by being easily replaceable.Yeah, that’s fair enough, thanks.
In the most well oiled machines of development, its not something any country or group can just push through at length. And one that is suffering from really dry well so to speak, its crippling.
I'm not sure what all happens after this one (I doubt its WW3 or anything close). I definitely think some missile defense systems in the region are about to get tested though. It wasn't just Soleimani in the convoy either. There were two other fucking generals there lol. Iran's as likely to make a dumb move as they are a smart one imo. If Iran's not measured in their response, our Navy is gonna run through them.
My thinking is that Iran is still only a regional player whereas if they assassinated Mike Pence,the US could retaliate more due to the massive discrepancy between the US and Iran in terms of projecting power.
Russia's propaganda must be working overtime in Iran. If Russia can get Iran to essentially Iraq itself, in combination with how fractured the US is politically right now--whew, it might just be the sort of break they need to isolate the US politically on a global level.
The US provided the sort of first strike initiative here to give Rouhani a sort of justification too.
The US provided the sort of first strike initiative here to give Rouhani a sort of justification too.
By Mystikal McGhee Go To Postisn't geraldo one of the less insane people at fox?geraldo is legit insane lol
he's the rudy of reporters
By Perfect Blue Go To PostYeah, that’s fair enough, thanks.I wouldn't put him up there with Pence. Maybe around Secretary of Defense level - while in a very different structure than what most countries have if that makes any sense.
My thinking is that Iran is still only a regional player whereas if they assassinated Mike Pence,the US could retaliate more due to the massive discrepancy between the US and Iran in terms of projecting power.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostRussia's propaganda must be working overtime in Iran. If Russia can get Iran to essentially Iraq itself, in combination with how fractured the US is politically right now–whew, it might just be the sort of break they need to isolate the US politically on a global level.Iraq itself how? I can't imagine any scenario where the US occupies Iran or one where Iran risks isolating itself just to call bluffs.
The US provided the sort of first strike initiative here to give Rouhani a sort of justification too.
The worse thing they could do is further validate Trump.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostRussia's propaganda must be working overtime in Iran. If Russia can get Iran to essentially Iraq itself, in combination with how fractured the US is politically right now–whew, it might just be the sort of break they need to isolate the US politically on a global level.
The US provided the sort of first strike initiative here to give Rouhani a sort of justification too.
Iran has 80M people and is twice the size of Iraq. There's no scenario where US goes into a ground war with Iran, c'mon.
Whatever Iran chooses to do here is for the Saudis and the Israelis to see, we'll just have to wait
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostIran has 80M people and is twice the size of Iraq. There's no scenario where US goes into a ground war with Iran, c'mon.2.5x the population of Vietnam from 1960
Whatever Iran chooses to do here is for the Saudis and the Israelis to see, we'll just have to wait
6x the size of Vietnam
Nah, we ain't stepping boots on Iran lol