By Perfect Blue Go To PostEven the phrase “Liberal cities” is all just window dressing. This city dgaf about the poor or the working class it’s just a playground for the rich and real estate speculation. Once I get my degree I want to bounce.So, liberal.
By Lunatic Go To PostCities are trash unless you're rich. Yea I said it.facts
But for real, I'm all for public transportation as long as I personally don't have to use it. By all means, build more light rail in Charlotte, though.
I like driving too much to give it up (at least I have a hybrid), and more than that, fuck germs.
I like driving too much to give it up (at least I have a hybrid), and more than that, fuck germs.
By Pac-12 Go To PostBut for real, I'm all for public transportation as long as I personally don't have to use it. By all means, build more light rail in Charlotte, though.I thought we bad-mouthed Musk enough on these forums that he wouldn't want to post here. Guess I was wrong. :p
I like driving too much to give it up (at least I have a hybrid), and more than that, fuck germs.
By Lunatic Go To PostCities are trash unless you're rich. Yea I said it.
By DY_nasty Go To Postfactsin my experience only people who don’t like cities are weird loner types
nothing says crabs in a bucket quite like poor people clamoring for the same few opportunities in a crowded environment while being forced into a loop of exploitation and rapidly raising expenses
there's plenty good about not living in a metropolis. far less competition for the basics is a start imo
not even sure what the benefit of living around that many people is either. you see more people you'll never directly interact with on a daily basis?
there's plenty good about not living in a metropolis. far less competition for the basics is a start imo
not even sure what the benefit of living around that many people is either. you see more people you'll never directly interact with on a daily basis?
I dunno outside cities in a lot of the US it's putting up with crumbling/disappearing industry and meth or opioids.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostI dunno outside cities in a lot of the US it's putting up with crumbling/disappearing industry and meth or opioids.
That's DY's favorite part.
By Perfect Blue Go To Postin my experience only people who don’t like cities are weird loner typesIn my experience the people who like cities are those under 30 or are wealthy.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostI dunno outside cities in a lot of the US it's putting up with crumbling/disappearing industry and meth or opioids.There's plenty of ground between LA and West Virginia
And you're a lot more likely to actually see functioning public services in a city that isn't hemmed up in urban specific bureaucracy.
By Perfect Blue Go To Postin my experience only people who don’t like cities are weird loner types
It’s pretty easy to hate cities if you grew up in a suburb. Nothing loner about it.
By DY_nasty Go To Postnothing says crabs in a bucket quite like poor people clamoring for the same few opportunities in a crowded environment while being forced into a loop of exploitation and rapidly raising expenses- Don’t need to own a car in a big city (HUGE plus)
there's plenty good about not living in a metropolis. far less competition for the basics is a start imo
not even sure what the benefit of living around that many people is either. you see more people you'll never directly interact with on a daily basis?
- Close to everything important in the cities (fuck all to do in small towns)
- No jobs in small towns
- Suburban small town living is gross and low density neighbourhoods are the cancer of urban design
- Dating scene in small towns suck
- Small towns are insular (too many white people)
- Cultural black holes in small towns/suburbs
- W A L K A B I L I T Y in big cities (US cities notwithstanding)
*you’re American so our conception of cities may be different
By Fenderputty Go To PostIt’s pretty easy to hate cities if you grew up in a suburb. Nothing loner about it.
I grew up largely somewhere between rural and suburban. I hate rural for damn sure, not too keen on suburban.
Give me density (and instruct people in said density to leave me the hell alone).
By Fenderputty Go To PostIt’s pretty easy to hate cities if you grew up in a suburb. Nothing loner about it.Suburban and urban sprawl is a mostly American thing. I don’t count those abominations as part of cities, tbh.
By Perfect Blue Go To Post- Don’t need to own a car in a big city (HUGE plus)
- Close to everything important in the cities (fuck all to do in small towns)
- No jobs in small towns
- Suburban small town living is gross and low density neighbourhoods are the cancer of urban design
- Dating scene in small towns suck
- Small towns are insular (too many white people)
- Cultural black holes in small towns/suburbs
- W A L K A B I L I T Y in big cities (US cities notwithstanding)
Me liking or disliking a city is not influenced by whether its smart city planning lol.
Being close to everything is a negative. I like space and a lack of shared walls.
Suburbs surround work centers
Lol dating
I lived in cities and burbs but the burbs were close enough to cities in which to do shit and not crazy commutes. Now they're crazy commutes but that's a whole other discussion. Right now I prefer the quasi space I'm in where it's residential but I can walk to plenty of shit including bars, restaurants, grocery store, library, bank, etc. Couldn't do that in my burbs. Just felt so isolating when I would visit. Wanna go somewhere or get food, gotta use a car every damn time.
By Fenderputty Go To PostMe liking or disliking a city is not influenced by whether its smart city planning lol.Smart city planning is better cities, easily. Being close to work, school, the grocery store, is a massive positive. Who would think otherwise? Not having to sit in traffic for hours on end commuting and inhaling car fumes is such a massive luxury I can’t imagine driving to work/school.
Being close to everything is a negative. I like space and a lack of shared walls.
Suburbs surround work centers
Lol dating
I have space in my 1 BR apartment.
Currently living in a condo in the tourist dense part of my island (flanked on 3 sides by hotels). I need to make weekly excursions out on water or to relatives yards to decompress. After working all day in an office and dealing with traffic you just need some nature and space.
Also Toronto is a shit show don't make Disso fool you.
Also Toronto is a shit show don't make Disso fool you.
Fuck living in the 'burbs and the closest food to you is an Applebee's. I'm too snobby for the suburbs.
By Perfect Blue Go To Post- Don’t need to own a car in a big city (HUGE plus)our concept is definitely different on cities. there's a lot of small cities in america that would be massive elsewhere
- Close to everything important in the cities (fuck all to do in small towns)
- No jobs in small towns
- Suburban small town living is gross and low density neighbourhoods are the cancer of urban design
- Dating scene in small towns suck
- Small towns are insular (too many white people)
- Cultural black holes in small towns/suburbs
- W A L K A B I L I T Y in big cities (US cities notwithstanding)
*you’re American so our conception of cities may be different
but there's plenty of jobs in small towns for starters. i'll never really understand that old perception. its like saying that soldiers coming home now get treated the same that they were coming back from vietnam. even if its rural now, it won't be long either as development is huge across the board. very few states are actually regressing in that aspect. i'd argue that, generally, the quality of work would be better too since you're far less of a disposable human resource in an urban area.
dating sucks in general
i've seen you bring up the car/walkability thing before too and while i understand what they're going for with that - i'll never agree with it. i feel that directly controlling your ability to get to a job is just as important (probably more) than where/how you live. if you're stuck with only where the tracks will take you, then you're effectively boxing yourself in and historically speaking its kind of a thing to avoid...
culture is very okay and good
dc is the most walkable city i've been to and i'm pretty sure its a gateway to hell
By reilo Go To PostFuck living in the 'burbs and the closest food to you is an Applebee's. I'm too snobby for the suburbs.
Lol what fuckin suburb in Cali are you describing? Lol
Lol 1bd apparetment with shared wall. I got 4 beds, no shared walls and want to upsize. Would love a room for a pool table and more closet space.
All this shits is relative. If I want to be a loner I move to the mountains or desert
By DY_nasty Go To Postour concept is definitely different on cities. there's a lot of small cities in america that would be massive elsewhereIt’s true that there aren’t jobs in small cities. The opposite was true in the past when the US had a massive manufacturing base. Now? Not so much. The only exceptions are certain small towns based entirely around an existence of a university OR out on the coasts (which IIRC you are on the Atlantic coast). Otherwise? Vast majority of small towns are dying all over the world as people move to cities and the population on this planet becomes more and more urbanized. You’re already seeing this back lash in movements like the yellow vests in France.
but there's plenty of jobs in small towns for starters. i'll never really understand that old perception. its like saying that soldiers coming home now get treated the same that they were coming back from vietnam. even if its rural now, it won't be long either as development is huge across the board. very few states are actually regressing in that aspect. i'd argue that, generally, the quality of work would be better too since you're far less of a disposable human resource in an urban area.
dating sucks in general
i've seen you bring up the car/walkability thing before too and while i understand what they're going for with that - i'll never agree with it. i feel that directly controlling your ability to get to a job is just as important (probably more) than where/how you live. if you're stuck with only where the tracks will take you, then you're effectively boxing yourself in and historically speaking its kind of a thing to avoid…
culture is very okay and good
dc is the most walkable city i've been to and i'm pretty sure its a gateway to hell
I don’t feel boxed in at all here in the city. I have the option to get a job further out and can get there easily with the public transit options we have (though they are FAR from perfect). The amount of jobs here just within a 5-10 mile radius is unparalleled anywhere else in the country. Being able to walk to work or any other place I need to go is so much better for my overall mental and physical health, too.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostIt’s true that there aren’t jobs in small cities. The opposite was true in the past when the US had a massive manufacturing base. Now? Not so much. The only exceptions are certain small towns based entirely around an existence of a university OR out on the coasts (which IIRC you are on the Atlantic coast). Otherwise? Vast majority of small towns are dying all over the world as people move to cities and the population on this planet becomes more and more urbanized. You’re already seeing this back lash in movements like the yellow vests in France.?
I don’t feel boxed in at all here in the city. I have the option to get a job further out and can get there easily with the public transit options we have (though they are FAR from perfect). The amount of jobs here just within a 5-10 mile radius is unparalleled anywhere else in the country. Being able to walk to work or any other place I need to go is so much better for my overall mental and physical health, too.
what kind of jobs are you describing? manufacturing went left ages ago but that still leaves plenty of existing and undermanned jobs in infrastructure, construction, healthcare, etc. if you're talking globally, I'm not speaking on that. People are leaving NYC, Chicago, etc now more than ever.
low entry levels jobs in any large city is one of the shittiest ways to live that i can imagine.
By Fenderputty Go To PostLol 1bd apparetment with shared wall. I got 4 beds, no shared walls and want to upsize. Would love a room for a pool table and more closet space.Is this a single family detached home too? Damn congrats on the killing the planet bro
All this shits is relative. If I want to be a loner I move to the mountains or desert
By DY_nasty Go To Postour concept is definitely different on cities. there's a lot of small cities in america that would be massive elsewhereThat really depends on what you do. My job prospects sucked in a "big" city like Portland as a software developer. Did more to improve my career in 2 years in SF than in 7 in Portland.
but there's plenty of jobs in small towns for starters. i'll never really understand that old perception. its like saying that soldiers coming home now get treated the same that they were coming back from vietnam. even if its rural now, it won't be long either as development is huge across the board. very few states are actually regressing in that aspect. i'd argue that, generally, the quality of work would be better too since you're far less of a disposable human resource in an urban area.
dating sucks in generalYea but do you really want your prospects to be the same as data's?
[quote[i've seen you bring up the car/walkability thing before too and while i understand what they're going for with that - i'll never agree with it. i feel that directly controlling your ability to get to a job is just as important (probably more) than where/how you live. if you're stuck with only where the tracks will take you, then you're effectively boxing yourself in and historically speaking its kind of a thing to avoid…
culture is very okay and good
dc is the most walkable city i've been to and i'm pretty sure its a gateway to hellEveryone knows DC stands for dicks and cocks
By Fenderputty Go To PostLol what fuckin suburb in Cali are you describing? LolWas speaking on your standard suburb in places like Portland or Seattle.
Lol 1bd apparetment with shared wall. I got 4 beds, no shared walls and want to upsize. Would love a room for a pool table and more closet space.
All this shits is relative. If I want to be a loner I move to the mountains or desert
LA is just one giant suburb cause you need a car to get anywhere.
By DY_nasty Go To Post?I’m speaking globally and the US is included in that. Small towns aren’t the economic centres anywhere and haven’t been for decades. You’re the only person I’ve ever seen argue in favour of job prospects for small towns, when all the evidence states the exact opposite - that these places are dying and being left behind in favour of urbanization. If you prefer small towns to cities that’s fine, but those places are economic dead ends.
what kind of jobs are you describing? manufacturing went left ages ago but that still leaves plenty of existing and undermanned jobs in infrastructure, construction, healthcare, etc. if you're talking globally, I'm not speaking on that. People are leaving NYC, Chicago, etc now more than ever.
low entry levels jobs in any large city is one of the shittiest ways to live that i can imagine.
People leave NYC, Chicago, California, etc for all kinds of reasons... to other cities. The most “famous” one is Californians leaving for places like Austin, another highly urbanized and fast growing city centre. No one is leaving to a small town.
By Lunatic Go To PostIn my experience the people who like cities are those under 30 or are wealthy.this is far too accurate
By Perfect Blue Go To PostI’m speaking globally and the US is included in that. Small towns aren’t the economic centres anywhere and haven’t been for decades. You’re the only person I’ve ever seen argue in favour of job prospects for small towns, when all the evidence states the exact opposite - that these places are dying and being left behind in favour of urbanization. If you prefer small towns to cities that’s fine, but those places are economic dead ends.it doesn't need to be an 'economic centre' to have good jobs. i started out specifically talking about how big cities actually suck for poor people so i'm not sure how we got off that road or tangled up off track a bit. people might naturally gravitate towards growing cities but it doesn't mean its the best move at all*
People leave NYC, Chicago, California, etc for all kinds of reasons… to other cities. The most “famous” one is Californians leaving for places like Austin, another highly urbanized and fast growing city centre. No one is leaving to a small town.
*unless you're coming from drastically poorer circumstances. socoming from Sudan to Philly is obviously an upgrade. and in that sense, sure. upgrade. but that's not what i'm talking about. its the unfair shit that allows many communities, liberal or otherwise, to pat themselves on the back for improving the lives of people that basically cannot be disappointed considering their circumstances lol... but that's a tangent
'walkability' when you're poor isn't something to be happy about at all. its terrifying. its the most well off outlook i've seen and its jarring as fuck to try and approach fairly tbh.
if you can't physically leave the box you're trapped in then you're effectively glued to the life laid out in front of you. secure your own transportation and leave.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostIs this a single family detached home too? Damn congrats on the killing the planet bro
It was built in the late 60’s. Congrats on blanket statements and platitudes
In regards to jobs, in the tech sector the rise of remote work means it doesn't matter if you don't live in a big city.
"City Centers" have also become increasingly popular, where you can do some decent shopping without having to drive downtown.
"City Centers" have also become increasingly popular, where you can do some decent shopping without having to drive downtown.
By DY_nasty Go To Postit doesn't need to be an 'economic centre' to have good jobs. i started out specifically talking about how big cities actually suck for poor people so i'm not sure how we got off that road or tangled up off track a bit. people might naturally gravitate towards growing cities but it doesn't mean its the best move at all*All places suck for the poor, my man. However, it’s the cities that have the most resources to actually help the poor and for them to move up the social ladder, as small as that chance is, compared to small towns that have fuck all in terms of social mobility and jobs. If I were poor I’d still prefer to be here than in some nowheresville with 0 chance of improving my situation or getting help.
*unless you're coming from drastically poorer circumstances. socoming from Sudan to Philly is obviously an upgrade. and in that sense, sure. upgrade. but that's not what i'm talking about. its the unfair shit that allows many communities, liberal or otherwise, to pat themselves on the back for improving the lives of people that basically cannot be disappointed considering their circumstances lol… but that's a tangent
'walkability' when you're poor isn't something to be happy about at all. its terrifying. its the most well off outlook i've seen and its jarring as fuck to try and approach fairly tbh.
if you can't physically leave the box you're trapped in then you're effectively glued to the life laid out in front of you. secure your own transportation and leave.
Cities have less upward mobility IMO. In the US, people in nowheresville often own their own property and aren't spending half their income on housing. What are these great jobs that less educated people are getting in cities that aren't available elsewhere?
you cannot look at most large american cities and say those resources are anything more than a receptacle for tax breaks and feel good moments for people who live in a condo 30 floors up lol
smaller city is going to be cheaper, have less crime, and stuff like apprenticeships are actually available without a life halting waiting list. all of those being closer to the norm is far better than any ridiculous kamala harris-ish assistance program. not even getting into the health problems associated with any of the overcrowding or landlords getting away with leasing out closets.
If you've got a set field, you're basically following the best career path and making the most of it as best you can. But even getting to that point is a massive hurdle for the majority imo.
smaller city is going to be cheaper, have less crime, and stuff like apprenticeships are actually available without a life halting waiting list. all of those being closer to the norm is far better than any ridiculous kamala harris-ish assistance program. not even getting into the health problems associated with any of the overcrowding or landlords getting away with leasing out closets.
By reilo Go To PostThat really depends on what you do. My job prospects sucked in a "big" city like Portland as a software developer. Did more to improve my career in 2 years in SF than in 7 in Portland.I'm talking entry level or low end stuff for the record. Back to what I was saying about Urban area / crabs in a bucket stuff.
If you've got a set field, you're basically following the best career path and making the most of it as best you can. But even getting to that point is a massive hurdle for the majority imo.
If you're poor you're either renting and being fucked out of a place by rising rents or just waiting to be pushed out of your home by rising property taxes and utilities that you can't even meet anymore. I wouldn't say cities are necessarily better to be poor in at all. Many of the poor do have jobs in cities but they sure as fuck don't live in the heart of them.
By DY_nasty Go To Postyou cannot look at most large american cities and say those resources are anything more than a receptacle for tax breaks and feel good moments for people who live in a condo 30 floors up lol
smaller city is going to be cheaper, have less crime, and stuff like apprenticeships are actually available without a life halting waiting list. all of those being closer to the norm is far better than any ridiculous kamala harris-ish assistance program. not even getting into the health problems associated with any of the overcrowding or landlords getting away with leasing out closets.
I'm talking entry level or low end stuff for the record. Back to what I was saying about Urban area / crabs in a bucket stuff.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostIf you're poor you're either renting and being fucked out of a place by rising rents or just waiting to be pushed out of your home by rising property taxes and utilities that you can't even meet anymore. I wouldn't say cities are necessarily better to be poor in at all. Many of the poor do have jobs in cities but they sure as fuck don't live in the heart of them.These are all fair points. Not saying cities are perfect or anything like that but I’d take em over small towns.
FUCK suburbs though
If I moved into the heart of any major city in California, I'd spend significantly more for less.
And even if you're not well off, things like walk-ability and not having to own/pay for a car are offset by cost of living (higher rent, higher taxes, etc).
And even if you're not well off, things like walk-ability and not having to own/pay for a car are offset by cost of living (higher rent, higher taxes, etc).
You’re all invited to my planet destroyer if you’re ever in the OC. We can go out to get some not Applebee’s or stay in.
By Fenderputty Go To PostYou’re all invited to my planet destroyer if you’re ever in the OC.I’ll destroy Uranus.
By ecnal Go To PostIf I moved into the heart of any major city in California, I'd spend significantly more for less.
And even if you're not well off, things like walk-ability and not having to own/pay for a car are offset by cost of living (higher rent, higher taxes, etc).
Living in California isn't recommended for anyone. Besides, we need more of them to move to Austin to turn Texas blue.
Big picture, people.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostI’ll destroy Uranus.
My wife says you’re no longer invited