3 former Lakers, 1 current Laker showing up at the LA conference....where are The Clippers greats at like.....
3 former Lakers, 1 current Laker showing up at the LA conference….where are The Clippers greats at like…..Shaun Livingston is in practice, preparing for tomorrow.
3 former Lakers, 1 current Laker showing up at the LA conference….where are The Clippers greats at like…..
which is why the clips need a rebranding--hopefully the new owner changes the name, because the history is just incredibly negative on top of the racism stuff
Look at this and tell me I'm tripping lol
A three-team trade involving the Los Angeles Clippers, Phoenix Suns and Milwaukee Bucks almost fell apart last offseason due to the racial reservations of Donald Sterling.
The Clippers were acquiring J.J. Redick in a sign-and-trade in which Eric Bledsoe was deal to the Suns.
Sterling became reluctant to honor the agreement made by Doc Rivers because it was hard for him to see the value of paying $7 million per season for Redick.
"He thought it was too much to pay for a white player," said one source.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports
Look at this and tell me I'm tripping lolA three-team trade involving the Los Angeles Clippers, Phoenix Suns and Milwaukee Bucks almost fell apart last offseason due to the racial reservations of Donald Sterling.
The Clippers were acquiring J.J. Redick in a sign-and-trade in which Eric Bledsoe was deal to the Suns.
Sterling became reluctant to honor the agreement made by Doc Rivers because it was hard for him to see the value of paying $7 million per season for Redick.
"He thought it was too much to pay for a white player," said one source.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports
Ratcliffja would agree.
3 former Lakers, 1 current Laker showing up at the LA conference….where are The Clippers greats at like…..
Norm Nixon played for both Clippers and Lakers (while good, he was never a great though).
I'm liking the Silver era, already.
NBA TV said according to sources, Sterling is not gonna go away easily, says the team is not for sale.
NBA TV said according to sources, Sterling is not gonna go away easily, says the team is not for sale.
The old bastard won't go down without a fight. I don't know thought he would.
NBA TV said according to sources, Sterling is not gonna go away easily, says the team is not for sale.If he forces their hand they'll get that 3/4 vote and then he'll lose the team for nothing. He has no leverage, he can't do shit.
Magic owning The Clips would be fitting. Might as well make Laker ownership over The Clips official.
:lol: I almost spit out my lunch, you bastard.Look at this and tell me I'm tripping lolA three-team trade involving the Los Angeles Clippers, Phoenix Suns and Milwaukee Bucks almost fell apart last offseason due to the racial reservations of Donald Sterling.
The Clippers were acquiring J.J. Redick in a sign-and-trade in which Eric Bledsoe was deal to the Suns.
Sterling became reluctant to honor the agreement made by Doc Rivers because it was hard for him to see the value of paying $7 million per season for Redick.
"He thought it was too much to pay for a white player," said one source.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports
Ratcliffja would agree.
i am literally jerking off to whitlock hnnng
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857268/removing-donald-sterling-la-clippers-owner-fix-our-culture
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857268/removing-donald-sterling-la-clippers-owner-fix-our-culture
In our zeal to appear righteous or courageous or free of bigotry, a ratings-pleasing mob hell-bent on revenge turned Donald T. Sterling – a victim of privacy invasion and white supremacy – from villain to martyr.
In a society filled with impurities, the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers committed the crime of speaking impure thoughts in the privacy of a duplex he apparently provided for his mistress. And now an angry, agenda-fueled mob provoked NBA commissioner Adam Silver into handing Sterling a basketball death sentence.
On Tuesday, just 72 hours after the release of Sterling's Pillow Talk Tapes by TMZ, a rookie commissioner imposed a lifetime ban on a flawed man whose rights were violated.
Mob rule is dangerous. Well-intentioned, TV-baited mobs are the most dangerous. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and they're prone to take a simple-minded, instant-gratification approach to justice rather than a strategic one.
Removing Donald Sterling from the NBA solves nothing. It sets a precedent that will likely boomerang and harm the black players and coaches who are shocked and outraged that an 80-year-old man with a documented history of bigoted actions also has bigoted private thoughts.
Let's be careful here. From the owner's box to the locker room, professional sports are overrun with wealthy men in complicated, volatile sexual relationships. If TMZ plans to make "pillow talk" public and the standard is set that "pillow talk" is actionable, it won't be long before a parade of athletes joins Sterling on Ignorance Island.
A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. What happens when a disgruntled lover gives TMZ a tape of a millionaire athlete expressing a homophobic or anti-Semitic or anti-white perspective?
Warriors coach Mark Jackson, who called for Clippers fans to boycott Game 5, seems quite vulnerable to mob rule. Jackson is super-religious. He's previously been extorted by a stripper he kept as a mistress. And some of the LGBT community views Jackson as homophobic.
The conversation revolving around Donald Sterling is unsophisticated, and so was the heavy-handed punishment. They're driven by emotion rather than logic. It does not serve the greater good of the offended black community. Sterling is a scapegoat. He is an easy target, a decoy so that we do not address the elephant he walked into his mistress' bedroom.
"We don't evaluate what's right and wrong," Sterling is heard telling his black-and-Latina mistress when she asked if it was right to treat black as less than white. "We live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture."
Sterling adheres to a pervasive culture, the hierarchy established by global white supremacy.
"I don't want to change the culture because I can't," Sterling says. "It's too big."
This was Sterling's one moment of clarity. The culture of white supremacy created Donald Sterling. He did not create the culture.
Much of what Sterling said on the tape is a rambling mess that can be interpreted many ways by sophisticated, mature and objective ears. To my ears, he doesn't care that his mistress has black friends. He doesn't care if she has sexual relationships with black men. He's married. They're not in a monogamous relationship. He simply does not want her extracurricular activities, particularly when they might involve black men, flaunted at his basketball games or all over Instagram.
This conversation, while grotesque and abhorrent, is not remotely unique or limited to old white men. My father was hood-rich, good looking and a playa who enjoyed the company of a younger, kept woman. Many of his friends had similar tastes. Their private conversations about dating could sound every bit as abhorrent and grotesque as Sterling's. I've heard young black men and women engage in equally grotesque and abhorrent private conversations, particularly when their feelings are hurt or they feel betrayed.
No. The substantive meat of Sterling's Sex, Lies and Audiotape is his point about the culture that created his worldview. He is adhering to the standards of his peer group. He is adhering to the standards of the world he lives in. It's a world inhabited by all of us. It's a culture that shapes everyone's worldview on some level. It fuels the black self-hatred at the core of commercialized hip-hop culture, and is at the root of the NAACP's initial plan to twice honor an unrepentant bigot with a lifetime achievement award.
White-supremacy culture is created, maintained and run by rich white men, Sterling's peers. He is the longest-tenured owner in the NBA. Former commissioner David Stern had multiple opportunities to run Sterling out of the league for his bigoted actions. Sterling's peers have always protected him … until he had the audacity and stupidity to be caught on tape explaining the culture they maintain.
It's comical to watch the well-intentioned mob circle around Sterling as if his unintended transparency says nothing about his peer group. It's equally comical seeing this issue framed as a "black issue," with black people running to suggest ways to clean up Sterling's mess.
White people should be wearing black socks, turning their T-shirts inside out, protesting outside the Staples Center. This is their culture, their Frankenstein. Or maybe they agree with Donald T. Sterling.
"I don't want to change the culture because I can't. It's too big."
It's also too beneficial. It's too comfortable.
Well-intentioned white people should be holding nationally televised panel discussions focusing on ways to lessen the damaging impact of white-supremacy culture. Well-intentioned white people who work within or support the NBA should be demanding that the NBA power structure cede some of its governing power to men and women who look like the overwhelming majority of the league's players.
Instead, the mainstream fanned the flames, enraging the angry black mob looking for a quick solution, a sacrificial lamb – and now, by the end of the week, we'll be back to business as usual, pretending the stoning of Sterling harmed the culture that created him.
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I know you hate me as a Knick fan Dolan but why can't you hate me as a black man? :(
Dolan's reward for being a progressive tolerant man will be that he lives long enough to be the first person to experience the singularity. Signing off on detrimental trades with his robot arms and slamming out sweet blues riffs with his cyborg fingers...in the year 3014.
i am literally jerking off to whitlock hnnng
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857268/removing-donald-sterling-la-clippers-owner-fix-our-cultureIn our zeal to appear righteous or courageous or free of bigotry, a ratings-pleasing mob hell-bent on revenge turned Donald T. Sterling – a victim of privacy invasion and white supremacy – from villain to martyr.
In a society filled with impurities, the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers committed the crime of speaking impure thoughts in the privacy of a duplex he apparently provided for his mistress. And now an angry, agenda-fueled mob provoked NBA commissioner Adam Silver into handing Sterling a basketball death sentence.
On Tuesday, just 72 hours after the release of Sterling's Pillow Talk Tapes by TMZ, a rookie commissioner imposed a lifetime ban on a flawed man whose rights were violated.
Mob rule is dangerous. Well-intentioned, TV-baited mobs are the most dangerous. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and they're prone to take a simple-minded, instant-gratification approach to justice rather than a strategic one.
Removing Donald Sterling from the NBA solves nothing. It sets a precedent that will likely boomerang and harm the black players and coaches who are shocked and outraged that an 80-year-old man with a documented history of bigoted actions also has bigoted private thoughts.
Let's be careful here. From the owner's box to the locker room, professional sports are overrun with wealthy men in complicated, volatile sexual relationships. If TMZ plans to make "pillow talk" public and the standard is set that "pillow talk" is actionable, it won't be long before a parade of athletes joins Sterling on Ignorance Island.
A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. What happens when a disgruntled lover gives TMZ a tape of a millionaire athlete expressing a homophobic or anti-Semitic or anti-white perspective?
Warriors coach Mark Jackson, who called for Clippers fans to boycott Game 5, seems quite vulnerable to mob rule. Jackson is super-religious. He's previously been extorted by a stripper he kept as a mistress. And some of the LGBT community views Jackson as homophobic.
The conversation revolving around Donald Sterling is unsophisticated, and so was the heavy-handed punishment. They're driven by emotion rather than logic. It does not serve the greater good of the offended black community. Sterling is a scapegoat. He is an easy target, a decoy so that we do not address the elephant he walked into his mistress' bedroom.
"We don't evaluate what's right and wrong," Sterling is heard telling his black-and-Latina mistress when she asked if it was right to treat black as less than white. "We live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture."
Sterling adheres to a pervasive culture, the hierarchy established by global white supremacy.
"I don't want to change the culture because I can't," Sterling says. "It's too big."
This was Sterling's one moment of clarity. The culture of white supremacy created Donald Sterling. He did not create the culture.
Much of what Sterling said on the tape is a rambling mess that can be interpreted many ways by sophisticated, mature and objective ears. To my ears, he doesn't care that his mistress has black friends. He doesn't care if she has sexual relationships with black men. He's married. They're not in a monogamous relationship. He simply does not want her extracurricular activities, particularly when they might involve black men, flaunted at his basketball games or all over Instagram.
This conversation, while grotesque and abhorrent, is not remotely unique or limited to old white men. My father was hood-rich, good looking and a playa who enjoyed the company of a younger, kept woman. Many of his friends had similar tastes. Their private conversations about dating could sound every bit as abhorrent and grotesque as Sterling's. I've heard young black men and women engage in equally grotesque and abhorrent private conversations, particularly when their feelings are hurt or they feel betrayed.
No. The substantive meat of Sterling's Sex, Lies and Audiotape is his point about the culture that created his worldview. He is adhering to the standards of his peer group. He is adhering to the standards of the world he lives in. It's a world inhabited by all of us. It's a culture that shapes everyone's worldview on some level. It fuels the black self-hatred at the core of commercialized hip-hop culture, and is at the root of the NAACP's initial plan to twice honor an unrepentant bigot with a lifetime achievement award.
White-supremacy culture is created, maintained and run by rich white men, Sterling's peers. He is the longest-tenured owner in the NBA. Former commissioner David Stern had multiple opportunities to run Sterling out of the league for his bigoted actions. Sterling's peers have always protected him … until he had the audacity and stupidity to be caught on tape explaining the culture they maintain.
It's comical to watch the well-intentioned mob circle around Sterling as if his unintended transparency says nothing about his peer group. It's equally comical seeing this issue framed as a "black issue," with black people running to suggest ways to clean up Sterling's mess.
White people should be wearing black socks, turning their T-shirts inside out, protesting outside the Staples Center. This is their culture, their Frankenstein. Or maybe they agree with Donald T. Sterling.
"I don't want to change the culture because I can't. It's too big."
It's also too beneficial. It's too comfortable.
Well-intentioned white people should be holding nationally televised panel discussions focusing on ways to lessen the damaging impact of white-supremacy culture. Well-intentioned white people who work within or support the NBA should be demanding that the NBA power structure cede some of its governing power to men and women who look like the overwhelming majority of the league's players.
Instead, the mainstream fanned the flames, enraging the angry black mob looking for a quick solution, a sacrificial lamb – and now, by the end of the week, we'll be back to business as usual, pretending the stoning of Sterling harmed the culture that created him.
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Whitlock, as usual, is wrong.
First off, the core principle of privacy is privacy from government, not from others. This is why in some states (though not Cali), one does not need consent to record another person in a civil sphere.
Second, he tries to justify Sterling's wrong by the wrongs of his father's and others who are black as if other wrongs make it okay.
And finally, he ignores that in order to change the culture with which Sterling describes requires actions just like the action Silver took. Instead, he's arguing that the NBA heads should be black just for the sake of it. The only thing he's right about is that white people need to be more open and honest and discuss race properly, which we often don't. But Whitlock is being contrarian for the sake of it which is his MO.
Bomani Jones had this right, Whitlock does not when it comes to criticism of this situation.
Wasn't expecting this. Adam Silver is off to a great start.adam silver is killing it here. he gets to come out strong in his first season with a ballsy move that nobody could morally or politically oppose. he looks like a strong leader, he distances himself form the stern era, and the nba gets great press when the playoffs are already starting off as some of the best we've ever seen. ratings will be through the roof if the clippers [or thunder] go the distance [and play the heat]. everybody wins.
The only thing he's right about is that white people need to be more open and honest and discuss race properly, which we often don't.this is the most important point of this whole story that he and a few others have made. it's really easy for those of us who are extremely privileged to sit around and cheerlead at civil rights victories, or for us to criticize racist, sexist, etc behavior without addressing the core issues that we are too afraid to deal with: our very comfort is the problem.
the way we live is absurdly uneven. we are environmentally conscious... to a point. we are liberal-ish... to a point. we hate racism and homophobia... to a point. but then we still fully willingly participate in a broader culture that celebrates hoarding, holding, and privacy, instead of giving and public responsibility. the feeling of white guilt, or however you want to describe it, is a fear of what it would mean to give up what we have. i'm not trying to speak for all white people here, but it's something that i see over and over again, and it's something that i feel if i am honest with myself. the more that the political scope shifts toward moral, political, and social equality, the worse it is for my bottom line, and i feel an internal resistance to it that i don't feel comfortable speaking about lest i be labeled a racist myself. while my racism is not so overt as donald sterling's, it does exist inside, and it is perpetuated when i don't speak toward my experience regarding race, sex, gender, etc. instead, i've always let others who were 'in the know' speak on behalf of me. it's time for the socially powerful white establishment to be active participants in the discussions about race, sex, gender, not to sit around proclaiming ourselves innocent and supportive [at a distance] of the cause. that's the reason that sterling's wife saying 'i am not a racist!!' during game 4 was so funny to me. it's like the image that we aren't still bending minorities over is all that matters to us, and it's completely missing the point of this controversy.
we hold this hand close to our chests because anyone who is publicly the least bit racist is crucified, but the cards we're holding are transparent to anyone paying attention.
Who was the dumbass who was saying yesterday that Silver is a "patsy" and 'wasn't gonna do shit'?
Show yourself, clown.
Show yourself, clown.
Who was the dumbass who was saying yesterday that Silver is a "patsy" and 'wasn't gonna do shit'?
Show yourself, clown.
I didn't go that far. But I'll be honest and say what my post history would have told you anyway, I did not expect Silver to do anything more than fine and temporarily suspend Sterling.
Silver took a few steps back before he performed his flying knee to Sterling. Like damn.
Wasn't expecting this. Adam Silver is off to a great start.adam silver is killing it here. he gets to come out strong in his first season with a ballsy move that nobody could morally or politically oppose. he looks like a strong leader, he distances himself form the stern era, and the nba gets great press when the playoffs are already starting off as some of the best we've ever seen. ratings will be through the roof if the clippers [or thunder] go the distance [and play the heat]. everybody wins.
He also earned the trust of his players and such in his first few months. This shit will matter over the years. Players feel like Silver is on their side from the get-go, now.
Most importantly... it feels like Silver's decision. It doesn't look like he was coerced or forced into this. He went above and beyond because he presented it as the correct choice.Wasn't expecting this. Adam Silver is off to a great start.adam silver is killing it here. he gets to come out strong in his first season with a ballsy move that nobody could morally or politically oppose. he looks like a strong leader, he distances himself form the stern era, and the nba gets great press when the playoffs are already starting off as some of the best we've ever seen. ratings will be through the roof if the clippers [or thunder] go the distance [and play the heat]. everybody wins.
He also earned the trust of his players and such in his first few months. This shit will matter over the years. Players feel like Silver is on their side from the get-go, now.
Yep Reilo and Mamba. I have never seen a commissioner receiving such an embrace by the players as Silver has been embraced by his. Obviously as time goes on and players have been disciplined by Silver and then face off with him over labor negotiations the good will will most likely subside but this was a great move.
RT @KBergCBS: Interesting subplot: Under NBA constitution, Sterling has 30 days to pay fine. If not, that in itself is grounds for his removal by board.
RT @KBergCBS: Interesting subplot: Under NBA constitution, Sterling has 30 days to pay fine. If not, that in itself is grounds for his removal by board.
Owners are already publicly casting their votes
Also Jason Whitlock is a tool....
Magic to own the Clippers?
RT @KBergCBS: Interesting subplot: Under NBA constitution, Sterling has 30 days to pay fine. If not, that in itself is grounds for his removal by board.
Owners are already publicly casting their votes
Also Jason Whitlock is a tool….
Magic to own the Clippers?
Geffen, Soo-Shiong, Guggenheim group, Ellison... lots of serious suitors possibly.
Well, this was unexpected.For real. I still can't believe it!
Yep. I've been in a serious funk all weekend.
In my opinion, the team desperately needs a new identity and shed the Clipper name. They also need their own court. The name has been forever tarnished, imo.
The Clippers aren't moving I am pretty sure…Yeah, silver won't move the team. Would be seen too much as running from the issue etc.
And there's too much money in that market. No one would buy the clippers to move them.
In my opinion, the team desperately needs a new identity and shed the Clipper name. They also need their own court. The name has been forever tarnished, imo.
Why? They winning... they selling out home...
Reading the comments on the "old" forum, I'm not surprised to read posts from apologists. Good riddance to Sterling and congrats to Clipper fans
i am literally jerking off to whitlock hnnng
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857268/removing-donald-sterling-la-clippers-owner-fix-our-cultureIn our zeal to appear righteous or courageous or free of bigotry, a ratings-pleasing mob hell-bent on revenge turned Donald T. Sterling – a victim of privacy invasion and white supremacy – from villain to martyr.
In a society filled with impurities, the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers committed the crime of speaking impure thoughts in the privacy of a duplex he apparently provided for his mistress. And now an angry, agenda-fueled mob provoked NBA commissioner Adam Silver into handing Sterling a basketball death sentence.
On Tuesday, just 72 hours after the release of Sterling's Pillow Talk Tapes by TMZ, a rookie commissioner imposed a lifetime ban on a flawed man whose rights were violated.
Mob rule is dangerous. Well-intentioned, TV-baited mobs are the most dangerous. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and they're prone to take a simple-minded, instant-gratification approach to justice rather than a strategic one.
Removing Donald Sterling from the NBA solves nothing. It sets a precedent that will likely boomerang and harm the black players and coaches who are shocked and outraged that an 80-year-old man with a documented history of bigoted actions also has bigoted private thoughts.
Let's be careful here. From the owner's box to the locker room, professional sports are overrun with wealthy men in complicated, volatile sexual relationships. If TMZ plans to make "pillow talk" public and the standard is set that "pillow talk" is actionable, it won't be long before a parade of athletes joins Sterling on Ignorance Island.
A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. What happens when a disgruntled lover gives TMZ a tape of a millionaire athlete expressing a homophobic or anti-Semitic or anti-white perspective?
Warriors coach Mark Jackson, who called for Clippers fans to boycott Game 5, seems quite vulnerable to mob rule. Jackson is super-religious. He's previously been extorted by a stripper he kept as a mistress. And some of the LGBT community views Jackson as homophobic.
The conversation revolving around Donald Sterling is unsophisticated, and so was the heavy-handed punishment. They're driven by emotion rather than logic. It does not serve the greater good of the offended black community. Sterling is a scapegoat. He is an easy target, a decoy so that we do not address the elephant he walked into his mistress' bedroom.
"We don't evaluate what's right and wrong," Sterling is heard telling his black-and-Latina mistress when she asked if it was right to treat black as less than white. "We live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture."
Sterling adheres to a pervasive culture, the hierarchy established by global white supremacy.
"I don't want to change the culture because I can't," Sterling says. "It's too big."
This was Sterling's one moment of clarity. The culture of white supremacy created Donald Sterling. He did not create the culture.
Much of what Sterling said on the tape is a rambling mess that can be interpreted many ways by sophisticated, mature and objective ears. To my ears, he doesn't care that his mistress has black friends. He doesn't care if she has sexual relationships with black men. He's married. They're not in a monogamous relationship. He simply does not want her extracurricular activities, particularly when they might involve black men, flaunted at his basketball games or all over Instagram.
This conversation, while grotesque and abhorrent, is not remotely unique or limited to old white men. My father was hood-rich, good looking and a playa who enjoyed the company of a younger, kept woman. Many of his friends had similar tastes. Their private conversations about dating could sound every bit as abhorrent and grotesque as Sterling's. I've heard young black men and women engage in equally grotesque and abhorrent private conversations, particularly when their feelings are hurt or they feel betrayed.
No. The substantive meat of Sterling's Sex, Lies and Audiotape is his point about the culture that created his worldview. He is adhering to the standards of his peer group. He is adhering to the standards of the world he lives in. It's a world inhabited by all of us. It's a culture that shapes everyone's worldview on some level. It fuels the black self-hatred at the core of commercialized hip-hop culture, and is at the root of the NAACP's initial plan to twice honor an unrepentant bigot with a lifetime achievement award.
White-supremacy culture is created, maintained and run by rich white men, Sterling's peers. He is the longest-tenured owner in the NBA. Former commissioner David Stern had multiple opportunities to run Sterling out of the league for his bigoted actions. Sterling's peers have always protected him … until he had the audacity and stupidity to be caught on tape explaining the culture they maintain.
It's comical to watch the well-intentioned mob circle around Sterling as if his unintended transparency says nothing about his peer group. It's equally comical seeing this issue framed as a "black issue," with black people running to suggest ways to clean up Sterling's mess.
White people should be wearing black socks, turning their T-shirts inside out, protesting outside the Staples Center. This is their culture, their Frankenstein. Or maybe they agree with Donald T. Sterling.
"I don't want to change the culture because I can't. It's too big."
It's also too beneficial. It's too comfortable.
Well-intentioned white people should be holding nationally televised panel discussions focusing on ways to lessen the damaging impact of white-supremacy culture. Well-intentioned white people who work within or support the NBA should be demanding that the NBA power structure cede some of its governing power to men and women who look like the overwhelming majority of the league's players.
Instead, the mainstream fanned the flames, enraging the angry black mob looking for a quick solution, a sacrificial lamb – and now, by the end of the week, we'll be back to business as usual, pretending the stoning of Sterling harmed the culture that created him.
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jerking off to whitlock's dumb strawman about american freedums being undermined
youre betta than that
I understand the privacy argument. Punish her and whoever helped her leak it. But it was leaked. The shits out there it can't just be off the table.
god no, i dont care about that bit, im not even american. fuck yo freedoms clowns.i am literally jerking off to whitlock hnnng
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857268/removing-donald-sterling-la-clippers-owner-fix-our-cultureIn our zeal to appear righteous or courageous or free of bigotry, a ratings-pleasing mob hell-bent on revenge turned Donald T. Sterling – a victim of privacy invasion and white supremacy – from villain to martyr.
In a society filled with impurities, the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers committed the crime of speaking impure thoughts in the privacy of a duplex he apparently provided for his mistress. And now an angry, agenda-fueled mob provoked NBA commissioner Adam Silver into handing Sterling a basketball death sentence.
On Tuesday, just 72 hours after the release of Sterling's Pillow Talk Tapes by TMZ, a rookie commissioner imposed a lifetime ban on a flawed man whose rights were violated.
Mob rule is dangerous. Well-intentioned, TV-baited mobs are the most dangerous. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and they're prone to take a simple-minded, instant-gratification approach to justice rather than a strategic one.
Removing Donald Sterling from the NBA solves nothing. It sets a precedent that will likely boomerang and harm the black players and coaches who are shocked and outraged that an 80-year-old man with a documented history of bigoted actions also has bigoted private thoughts.
Let's be careful here. From the owner's box to the locker room, professional sports are overrun with wealthy men in complicated, volatile sexual relationships. If TMZ plans to make "pillow talk" public and the standard is set that "pillow talk" is actionable, it won't be long before a parade of athletes joins Sterling on Ignorance Island.
A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. What happens when a disgruntled lover gives TMZ a tape of a millionaire athlete expressing a homophobic or anti-Semitic or anti-white perspective?
Warriors coach Mark Jackson, who called for Clippers fans to boycott Game 5, seems quite vulnerable to mob rule. Jackson is super-religious. He's previously been extorted by a stripper he kept as a mistress. And some of the LGBT community views Jackson as homophobic.
The conversation revolving around Donald Sterling is unsophisticated, and so was the heavy-handed punishment. They're driven by emotion rather than logic. It does not serve the greater good of the offended black community. Sterling is a scapegoat. He is an easy target, a decoy so that we do not address the elephant he walked into his mistress' bedroom.
"We don't evaluate what's right and wrong," Sterling is heard telling his black-and-Latina mistress when she asked if it was right to treat black as less than white. "We live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture."
Sterling adheres to a pervasive culture, the hierarchy established by global white supremacy.
"I don't want to change the culture because I can't," Sterling says. "It's too big."
This was Sterling's one moment of clarity. The culture of white supremacy created Donald Sterling. He did not create the culture.
Much of what Sterling said on the tape is a rambling mess that can be interpreted many ways by sophisticated, mature and objective ears. To my ears, he doesn't care that his mistress has black friends. He doesn't care if she has sexual relationships with black men. He's married. They're not in a monogamous relationship. He simply does not want her extracurricular activities, particularly when they might involve black men, flaunted at his basketball games or all over Instagram.
This conversation, while grotesque and abhorrent, is not remotely unique or limited to old white men. My father was hood-rich, good looking and a playa who enjoyed the company of a younger, kept woman. Many of his friends had similar tastes. Their private conversations about dating could sound every bit as abhorrent and grotesque as Sterling's. I've heard young black men and women engage in equally grotesque and abhorrent private conversations, particularly when their feelings are hurt or they feel betrayed.
No. The substantive meat of Sterling's Sex, Lies and Audiotape is his point about the culture that created his worldview. He is adhering to the standards of his peer group. He is adhering to the standards of the world he lives in. It's a world inhabited by all of us. It's a culture that shapes everyone's worldview on some level. It fuels the black self-hatred at the core of commercialized hip-hop culture, and is at the root of the NAACP's initial plan to twice honor an unrepentant bigot with a lifetime achievement award.
White-supremacy culture is created, maintained and run by rich white men, Sterling's peers. He is the longest-tenured owner in the NBA. Former commissioner David Stern had multiple opportunities to run Sterling out of the league for his bigoted actions. Sterling's peers have always protected him … until he had the audacity and stupidity to be caught on tape explaining the culture they maintain.
It's comical to watch the well-intentioned mob circle around Sterling as if his unintended transparency says nothing about his peer group. It's equally comical seeing this issue framed as a "black issue," with black people running to suggest ways to clean up Sterling's mess.
White people should be wearing black socks, turning their T-shirts inside out, protesting outside the Staples Center. This is their culture, their Frankenstein. Or maybe they agree with Donald T. Sterling.
"I don't want to change the culture because I can't. It's too big."
It's also too beneficial. It's too comfortable.
Well-intentioned white people should be holding nationally televised panel discussions focusing on ways to lessen the damaging impact of white-supremacy culture. Well-intentioned white people who work within or support the NBA should be demanding that the NBA power structure cede some of its governing power to men and women who look like the overwhelming majority of the league's players.
Instead, the mainstream fanned the flames, enraging the angry black mob looking for a quick solution, a sacrificial lamb – and now, by the end of the week, we'll be back to business as usual, pretending the stoning of Sterling harmed the culture that created him.
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jerking off to whitlock's dumb strawman about american freedums being undermined
youre betta than that
i do think its weird/morally interesting that the league is willing to use what was (likely) illegally obtained evidence (likely) meant for blackmail purposes in its findings... but that they weren't willing to use testimony and statements from incidents of racism across thirty fucking years of sterling ownership because "well uh, you see uh, we're tolerating the racist because uh, it wasnt legally proven so uh, we'll shut up about it now".
i care about the bit where people are falling hook, line and sinker for a bunch of long overdue damage control from a bunch of hypocrites, and patting them on the back for it as if its some incredible thing theyre doing. everybody who allowed this to go on for years and years is completely off the hook, and everyone is bending over backwards to congratulate them on an amazing job. meanwhile, nothing is appreciably different apart from sterling's gross old ass being gone (which affects basically nothing) and the clips players get to lose a playoff series they should have won because of this goddamn circus. amazing justice.
No. The substantive meat of Sterling's Sex, Lies and Audiotape is his point about the culture that created his worldview. He is adhering to the standards of his peer group. He is adhering to the standards of the world he lives in. It's a world inhabited by all of us…
…White-supremacy culture is created, maintained and run by rich white men, Sterling's peers. He is the longest-tenured owner in the NBA. Former commissioner David Stern had multiple opportunities to run Sterling out of the league for his bigoted actions. Sterling's peers have always protected him … until he had the audacity and stupidity to be caught on tape explaining the culture they maintain.
It's comical to watch the well-intentioned mob circle around Sterling as if his unintended transparency says nothing about his peer group.
^^^ some serious wisdom right dropped right there
also his mark jackson point is fantastic. god that self aggrandizing jerk off. cant wait for erman to release his warriors tapes, just to count how many times mark jackson throws out the word faggot during practices and meetings.
literally everyone off the hook for years of profiting off of and tolerating a racist owner, literally now also getting kudos for "doing the right thing". literally a sham, and theyre all self serving hypocrites. from the remaining owners on down to the nbpa.
I understand all of those points, but I still don't understand the main point of focus on that. I don't think anyone believes that now the owners of the Magic or Nets are good people, I don't think the owners have really been praised too dramatically. There should be systemic changes in how people perceive each other. But arguments of "we shouldn't do anything because of hypocrisy" are bad ones. If you think at the margin, there are two things that could have occurred.
1. A racist scumbag continues to have influence on the NBA.
2. A racist scumbag has his influence on the NBA cut off.
Obviously, the second option is superior to the first and should be welcomed. Almost every action anyone will ever do is hypocritical, but many of them are desirable and therefore should be praised and reinforced. A person who dominates money to the homeless or lobbies for higher top marginal tax rates could be considered hypocritical every time she buys a television, but her donation makes the world better than if she had not donated anything. Arguments from "that's hypocritical!" can be good, but I feel like they've been taken to absurd extremes by people now.
1. A racist scumbag continues to have influence on the NBA.
2. A racist scumbag has his influence on the NBA cut off.
Obviously, the second option is superior to the first and should be welcomed. Almost every action anyone will ever do is hypocritical, but many of them are desirable and therefore should be praised and reinforced. A person who dominates money to the homeless or lobbies for higher top marginal tax rates could be considered hypocritical every time she buys a television, but her donation makes the world better than if she had not donated anything. Arguments from "that's hypocritical!" can be good, but I feel like they've been taken to absurd extremes by people now.
Look at this and tell me I'm tripping lolIt makes sense that he would undervalue white basketball playersA three-team trade involving the Los Angeles Clippers, Phoenix Suns and Milwaukee Bucks almost fell apart last offseason due to the racial reservations of Donald Sterling.
The Clippers were acquiring J.J. Redick in a sign-and-trade in which Eric Bledsoe was deal to the Suns.
Sterling became reluctant to honor the agreement made by Doc Rivers because it was hard for him to see the value of paying $7 million per season for Redick.
"He thought it was too much to pay for a white player," said one source.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports
god no, i dont care about that bit, im not even american. fuck yo freedoms clowns.
i do think its weird/morally interesting that the league is willing to use what was (likely) illegally obtained evidence (likely) meant for blackmail purposes in its findings… but that they weren't willing to use testimony and statements from incidents of racism across thirty fucking years of sterling ownership because "well uh, you see uh, we're tolerating the racist because uh, it wasnt legally proven so uh, we'll shut up about it now".
Most of those were accusations and unable to be proven. The league couldn't go on speculation. One case was won by Sterling, another settled. The other issue isn't the NBA but rather the media. The media never followed the story heavily enough so the NBA had no reason to pay attention. While I agree it would be nice to be out in front of it for other reasons, without that they couldn't do shit.
Had they tried to push him out, and rumor long has been that numerous owners have wanted to do just that for years and years, they would have ended in court for sure and likely had lost.
The turning point in all this was that the sponsors for the Clippers pulled out. Sterling became a negative force on the NBA and Clippers brand from a very clear financial standpoint whereas previously this was not the case (plus player boycotts looming).
They didn't tolerate because it wasn't proven, they tolerated it because they had no real legal basis to do anything without the financial impact in place.
i care about the bit where people are falling hook, line and sinker for a bunch of long overdue damage control from a bunch of hypocrites, and patting them on the back for it as if its some incredible thing theyre doing. everybody who allowed this to go on for years and years is completely off the hook, and everyone is bending over backwards to congratulate them on an amazing job. meanwhile, nothing is appreciably different apart from sterling's gross old ass being gone (which affects basically nothing) and the clips players get to lose a playoff series they should have won because of this goddamn circus. amazing justice.
everyone is congratulating Silver, who just took the job, but I don't see owners congratulating themselves. Cuban himself was weary of what was to transpire. They're making a united front because they have to, that's all.
And I disagree that nothing changed. They sent a pretty clear message that racism will not be tolerated and that people can be held accountable. That matters in and of itself.
^^^ some serious wisdom right dropped right there
Except as I have said, they had no legal basis for it and numerous owners (some no longer around) did want him out but never saw a way to do it. He was always looked at as a stain on the league.
also his mark jackson point is fantastic. god that self aggrandizing jerk off. cant wait for erman to release his warriors tapes, just to count how many times mark jackson throws out the word faggot during practices and meetings.
No, it's a terrible point, because he's saying that another potential wrong exists and that means any attempt to fix another wrong is comical. That's a comical point, in reality. Wrong's should be righted and other wrongs doesn't negate that.
That said, I think there is a nuanced difference in the two situations from what we know, but if something like Jackson continually calling players "faggots" comes out, he should be banned too.
literally everyone off the hook for years of profiting off of and tolerating a racist owner, literally now also getting kudos for "doing the right thing". literally a sham, and theyre all self serving hypocrites. from the remaining owners on down to the nbpa.
So what else should have happened? They should have continued to tolerate?