By diehard Go To Postthe context was what a tweet could do to hurt China.i'm not understanding. a tweet hasn't done anything more than hurt the US companies because a threat to withdraw business immediately scares us. that's how we work. china's history is very, very different... they'll take economic punches until we pass out from throwing them then laugh about it.
its also gassed up more western leaning protesters who serve to further escalate the HK riots into something they were never intended to be and force mainland China to acknowledge, justify, and prepare against outside influences.
By blackace Go To Postah! Vietnam the crown jewel of human rights
India is gonna be the next big low cost country honestly
By diehard Go To Postthe context was what a tweet could do to hurt China. Already said how i don't think human rights violations are the largest factor here.Hurt China? lol how?
By diehard Go To PostI've literally encountered people who are now aware about what i going on in HK
But they don't, that's the point. They all see this through filtered lens of peaceful protesters holding hands and forming human chains versus cops beating them up, when in reality it's escalating violence on both sides, both pro and anti government citizens. If Morey really gave a shit, he wouldn't be egging on one side and embolden them to do more. He could have used some platitudes like wishing nobody would get hurt and hoping for a peaceful resolution or some shit. Again, you think Morey would do the same thing if this happened in Houston? So either he's unaware of what's actually happening in HK or he really doesn't give a shit and thought he could score some easy Internet brownie points.
By DY_nasty Go To Posti'm not understanding. a tweet hasn't done anything more than hurt the US companies because a threat to withdraw business immediately scares us. that's how we work. china's history is very, very different… they'll take economic punches until we pass out from throwing them then laugh about it.If you're saying that China can outlast the US in a battle of who can take more economic punches, I agree there's no way a extremely nationalistic society that has been fed anti-western propaganda for years wouldn't outlast the US.
its also gassed up more western leaning protesters who serve to further escalate the HK riots into something they were never intended to be and force mainland China to acknowledge, justify, and prepare against outside influences.
I'm talking about smaller changes that have smaller economic impacts, things that have happened in the past two weeks could be just more straws that might make think a U.S. company think "nah, maybe we won't expand into China right now" or "That other rights-oppressing country was looking pretty good for manufacturing, let's make that change". This can be a thing because soft power and intellectual property are more valuable than labor.
To avoid "arguing in bad faith"... I don't think anything that Morey set of will have any real lasting impact, but i'll definitely argue that things like this do have the potential to pile up to eventually cause change and totally dismissing it isn't the way to go. I totally reject the idea that China is immune to external economic pressure.
By linsivvi Go To PostBut they don't, that's the point. They all see this through filtered lens of peaceful protesters holding hands and forming human chains versus cops beating them up, when in reality it's escalating violence on both sides, both pro and anti government citizens. If Morey really gave a shit, he wouldn't be egging on one side and embolden them to do more. He could have used some platitudes like wishing nobody would get hurt and hoping for a peaceful resolution or some shit. Again, you think Morey would do the same thing if this happened in Houston? So either he's unaware of what's actually happening in HK or he really doesn't give a shit and thought he could score some easy Internet brownie points.This is a seriously reductionist argument. Not all protesting or riots are the same. If people in Houston were fighting for the same thing that HK's are fighting for, yes.. Morey would probably support that too. This "wish for nobody to get hurt" is the same thing people constantly get shit for here in not taking a side.
By diehard Go To PostThis is a seriously reductionist argument. Not all protesting or riots are the same. If people in Houston were fighting for the same thing that HK's are fighting for, yes.. Morey would probably support that too. This "wish for nobody to get hurt" is the same thing people constantly get shit for here in not taking a side.So you are saying if Black Lives Matter start beating up cops in Houston Morey would support that too? What's more important than fighting for the ability to live?
It's easy for you to say because you don't have the fear of being beaten up by somebody with opposing political view points, which is what's happening in HK right now, on both sides.
By linsivvi Go To PostSo you are saying if Black Lives Matter start beating up cops in Houston Morey would support that too? What's more important than fighting for the ability to live?Shit Morey didn't even tweet when Nazis were marching in the states... j/s
It's easy for you to say because you don't have the fear of being beaten up by somebody with opposing political view points, which is what's happening in HK right now, on both sides.
Look, there's no question that the scale of the violence being inflicted is heavily tilted toward the state vs. the protesters, but to pretend that the average HK'er isn't at risk of being caught between the violence from either camp is willful ignorance at this point.
Right this moment, it's a matter of arguing "the current violence is justified given the terror the police has inflicted upon the protesters" (there's a certain appeal to that argument, I won't deny), but it is no longer a question of "peaceful protest vs. state violence"
That ship sailed in August.
Right this moment, it's a matter of arguing "the current violence is justified given the terror the police has inflicted upon the protesters" (there's a certain appeal to that argument, I won't deny), but it is no longer a question of "peaceful protest vs. state violence"
That ship sailed in August.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostLook, there's no question that the scale of the violence being inflicted is heavily tilted toward the state vs. the protesters, but to pretend that the average HK'er isn't at risk of being caught between the violence from either camp is willful ignorance at this point.Yeah, the moment when they foolishly tied up a reporter from China and beat him up, with a million cameras watching, was the moment the movement went completely out of hand. Like, the CCP doesn't even need to do its usual propaganda to rile up its citizens on this one. The narrative writes itself.
Right this moment, it's a matter of arguing "the current violence is justified given the terror the police has inflicted upon the protesters" (there's a certain appeal to that argument, I won't deny), but it is no longer a question of "peaceful protest vs. state violence"
That ship sailed in August.
By DY_nasty Go To Postimagine for one secondOur subway system can’t get any worse, maybe they would force it to improve so I’m all for if
one instant
protestors doing to NYC's subway what has been done to HK's
*waits to be misunderstood as pro-ccp*
but i'm not unsympathetic at all on this. I just feel kinda grated by so many really, really shallow and one-dimensional takes on the whole matter like China just started being jerks or how tweets mean something.
It's always "both sides" in a conflict. That's what a conflict is. Humans hurt each other. Pointing out the faults on "both sides" to create equivalency isn't insightful.
By Not Go To PostIt's always "both sides" in a conflict. That's what a conflict is. Humans hurt each other. Pointing out the faults on "both sides" to create equivalency isn't insightful.It's not equivalency, it's context and the idea that the 5 demands not one less thing encapsulated all that's going just isn't helpful to anyone actually hoping to understand what's going on. That's not both sidesing. It is insightful.
Theres really not that much in life that you can reach a solution on with nothing more than a glimpse and lack of information. No one here is clapping for China either. Far from it.
This is my last post on this forum, but the usage in this thread and the NBA thread and politics thread of Xinjiang is honestly suuuuuper gross and is a strawman to fight against because the increasingly dumb hot takes about China can't stand on their own at all.
"It's odd because people seem to only have this energy about Hong Kong, I figure because of its connection to the west via being a colony, rather than all of China as a whole.
Like when the military came and blasted people in Zhongshan, Shanshan, or Xinjiang and so on... "
This was from Blackace in the Politics thread and it's just so gross.
First of all, the NBA has banned any discussion of Xinjiang.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/hong-kong-nba-fans-signs-protests
Second of all, the NBA has a training camp in Xinjiang! NBA players not knowing or pretending not to know about Xinjiang is much worse than about Hong Kong.
So "why are people only focusing on Hong Kong" is simplifying all the China discussion into the fact that Morey tweeted about Hong Kong before Xinjiang to use Xinjiang for whataboutism, but it makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
Moving onto the anti-protest or "they've gotta protest the right way" ideals promoted by a lot of people on this forum, the simplification of talking only about US protests is completely and utterly insane especially as llnslvvl, Blackace, and Hasphats don't even live in the United States! Even focusing on just the United States for some reason, the Puerto Rico protests literally five months ago could be pretty violent at times and you know what, they were extremely good and completely effective. The 1987 South Korean protests turned the country from a dictatorship to democracy and you know, those were super fucking violent protests, the kids were trying to kill cops. The 2016-2017 South Korean protests are seen as some of the most effective non-violent protests in modern times, but there were still plenty of kids that assaulted cops.
The issue with having hundreds of thousands of people protesting is some of them will be violent edgelords who will assault people for no reason and that's bad and really sad to see that happen. My wife is Chinese so she watches the news from the CCP sometimes and it sad when protesters assault random people, but these protests have been going on for months and involve thousands upon thousands of people and are protests against literally the CCP so yeah, no fucking shit a few people will be dumb and assault randos.
Moving onto LeBron, I was just really disappointed in him and I feel it's really fine to be disappointed in him. I liked LeBron a lot before this and defending a dictatorship that wants to murder all religious minorities is... extremely sad and bad. DY has insanely argued that LeBron needs China money to help do community projects around Cleveland and it's like... Is this a good defense for Bill Gates hanging around Epstein? Bill Gates is doing a lot of great projects... But everyone in the world is really disappointed with him right now because he decided it was okay to take money from a pedophile. Bill Gates has money and doesn't need Epstein's money to help people in Africa, Gates in fact has billions and billions not going to Africa. LeBron has less money than Gates but still has a lot of it, I'm guessing he has hundreds of millions of dollars that are not planned to ever be used to do charity work. Some people are using LeBron's pro-CCP stuff as a way to troll black people and that's horrible and those conservative trolls are horrible people, but I'm just genuinely disappointed at LeBron and others deciding to care more about their finances than resisting the CCP in any form when the CCP is doing crimes against humanity.
Anyway, this forum has devolved into nothing but slinging hot takes at all times and is gross and dull. Moris and many others are really nice and cool, DY and Psy are two of the worst posters I've ever encountered in my life. DY trolling Enes Kanter for being anti-Erdogan and having his father get disappeared by Turkey is still the nadir of the forum. But beyond the absolutely horrific and gross politics of many posters at times, the forum is just way too boring and negative even when the subject is supposed to be fun. Too many players are held to impossible standards just so that they can be hated on later for not being as good as Michael Jordan when they have a bad game in the playoffs. Steph Curry, James Harden, Damian Lillard, Nikola Jokic, Joel Embiid, Pascal Siakim, basically every young player in the NBA... It's just so negative and unfun and stupid.
So when the best is really bad and the worst is trolling someone for the dictator of Turkey disappearing their father, then, I'm going to go. Hope the Jazz win a lot of games this year.
See ya, Moris etc, hope LeBron regrets his wording in the end and comes around to being anti-CCP.
"It's odd because people seem to only have this energy about Hong Kong, I figure because of its connection to the west via being a colony, rather than all of China as a whole.
Like when the military came and blasted people in Zhongshan, Shanshan, or Xinjiang and so on... "
This was from Blackace in the Politics thread and it's just so gross.
First of all, the NBA has banned any discussion of Xinjiang.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/hong-kong-nba-fans-signs-protests
Second of all, the NBA has a training camp in Xinjiang! NBA players not knowing or pretending not to know about Xinjiang is much worse than about Hong Kong.
So "why are people only focusing on Hong Kong" is simplifying all the China discussion into the fact that Morey tweeted about Hong Kong before Xinjiang to use Xinjiang for whataboutism, but it makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
Moving onto the anti-protest or "they've gotta protest the right way" ideals promoted by a lot of people on this forum, the simplification of talking only about US protests is completely and utterly insane especially as llnslvvl, Blackace, and Hasphats don't even live in the United States! Even focusing on just the United States for some reason, the Puerto Rico protests literally five months ago could be pretty violent at times and you know what, they were extremely good and completely effective. The 1987 South Korean protests turned the country from a dictatorship to democracy and you know, those were super fucking violent protests, the kids were trying to kill cops. The 2016-2017 South Korean protests are seen as some of the most effective non-violent protests in modern times, but there were still plenty of kids that assaulted cops.
The issue with having hundreds of thousands of people protesting is some of them will be violent edgelords who will assault people for no reason and that's bad and really sad to see that happen. My wife is Chinese so she watches the news from the CCP sometimes and it sad when protesters assault random people, but these protests have been going on for months and involve thousands upon thousands of people and are protests against literally the CCP so yeah, no fucking shit a few people will be dumb and assault randos.
Moving onto LeBron, I was just really disappointed in him and I feel it's really fine to be disappointed in him. I liked LeBron a lot before this and defending a dictatorship that wants to murder all religious minorities is... extremely sad and bad. DY has insanely argued that LeBron needs China money to help do community projects around Cleveland and it's like... Is this a good defense for Bill Gates hanging around Epstein? Bill Gates is doing a lot of great projects... But everyone in the world is really disappointed with him right now because he decided it was okay to take money from a pedophile. Bill Gates has money and doesn't need Epstein's money to help people in Africa, Gates in fact has billions and billions not going to Africa. LeBron has less money than Gates but still has a lot of it, I'm guessing he has hundreds of millions of dollars that are not planned to ever be used to do charity work. Some people are using LeBron's pro-CCP stuff as a way to troll black people and that's horrible and those conservative trolls are horrible people, but I'm just genuinely disappointed at LeBron and others deciding to care more about their finances than resisting the CCP in any form when the CCP is doing crimes against humanity.
Anyway, this forum has devolved into nothing but slinging hot takes at all times and is gross and dull. Moris and many others are really nice and cool, DY and Psy are two of the worst posters I've ever encountered in my life. DY trolling Enes Kanter for being anti-Erdogan and having his father get disappeared by Turkey is still the nadir of the forum. But beyond the absolutely horrific and gross politics of many posters at times, the forum is just way too boring and negative even when the subject is supposed to be fun. Too many players are held to impossible standards just so that they can be hated on later for not being as good as Michael Jordan when they have a bad game in the playoffs. Steph Curry, James Harden, Damian Lillard, Nikola Jokic, Joel Embiid, Pascal Siakim, basically every young player in the NBA... It's just so negative and unfun and stupid.
So when the best is really bad and the worst is trolling someone for the dictator of Turkey disappearing their father, then, I'm going to go. Hope the Jazz win a lot of games this year.
See ya, Moris etc, hope LeBron regrets his wording in the end and comes around to being anti-CCP.
I don't see what is erroneous about what I said? It's a fact China has been slapping up protesters everywhere outside of Hong Kong forever, but now it hits HK people got mad energy for it.
As people pointed out in reply to my post HK is a huge modern city like Tokyo or Seoul but is much more English accessible.
I don't agree with China's tactics or the way they govern their country but I do stand by what I said .
Besides I got more of an issue with people not having the same passion about the horrors that happen in America to minorities and whatnot but can get worked up enough about HK
Anyways have a good one boss
As people pointed out in reply to my post HK is a huge modern city like Tokyo or Seoul but is much more English accessible.
I don't agree with China's tactics or the way they govern their country but I do stand by what I said .
Besides I got more of an issue with people not having the same passion about the horrors that happen in America to minorities and whatnot but can get worked up enough about HK
Anyways have a good one boss
Kanter can kick rocks. Dude pops shit then begs for security and hangs out with rookies who don't know how dangerous the game that he's playing is. He like his biggest supporters refuse to admit the tangible danger he creates for all around him.
You can have all sorts of views and effects all sorts of initiatives without being a studio gangster about it. I'm anti social media activism because people want to act like it's the real thing without accepting real consequence.
If you interpret my posts as "protest the right way", thats a comprehension issue on your end. The idea that people can tweet the world's problems away without consequence and that protests can't be taken advantage of and manipulated? If mere acknowledgement actually shatters you then lol bye. I keep getting name dropped and you can't even quote me for it anyways. But congrats on standing against my form of oppression.
You can have all sorts of views and effects all sorts of initiatives without being a studio gangster about it. I'm anti social media activism because people want to act like it's the real thing without accepting real consequence.
If you interpret my posts as "protest the right way", thats a comprehension issue on your end. The idea that people can tweet the world's problems away without consequence and that protests can't be taken advantage of and manipulated? If mere acknowledgement actually shatters you then lol bye. I keep getting name dropped and you can't even quote me for it anyways. But congrats on standing against my form of oppression.
That's a lotta words towards a poster you have ignore and hasn't said shit to you in months, but do you.
I really don't see the issue in asking why people can't have more energy in the states around the way our own squads brutalize minorities. Or any of the litany of issues involving free speech that we've curbed here. Or how our right to a speedy free and fair trial now involves years in jail only to plead out even if you're innocent. But whatever, it's unfair or something to demand we get our shit together. Super duper unfair to point out hypocrisy.
By i can get you a toe Go To PostI really don't see the issue in asking why people can't have more energy in the states around the way our own squads brutalize minorities. Or any of the litany of issues involving free speech that we've curbed here. Or how our right to a speedy free and fair trial now involves years in jail only to plead out even if you're innocent. But whatever, it's unfair or something to demand we get our shit together. Super duper unfair to point out hypocrisy.Privileged veiwpoints and all that... but I am sure this quote will be disgusting or something
By reilo Go To PostIt's seemingly a case of people are more likely to be empathetic about causes and people they know.Everything we do is defined by our tribalistic survival mechanisms, and whether we decide to live by them or rise above them amidst society changing faster than our biological instincts can account for
By Not Go To PostEverything we do is defined by our tribalistic survival mechanisms, and whether we decide to live by them or rise above them amidst society changing faster than our biological instincts can account forThat's a fair assessment but not everyone can see that
I always held the view point that Hong Kong should protest against both China and US extradition. Snowden wouldn't have to hide in Russia then.
I don't live in the States????
News to me.
Doubt you're still here, but here's the deal, if you haven't been on the receiving end of Hong Kong prejudice against mainlanders, you honestly have zero idea about the dynamics at work here. End of story.
EDIT: Should clarify that the reverse is also true. It's complicated
News to me.
Doubt you're still here, but here's the deal, if you haven't been on the receiving end of Hong Kong prejudice against mainlanders, you honestly have zero idea about the dynamics at work here. End of story.
EDIT: Should clarify that the reverse is also true. It's complicated
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostI don't live in the States????Sorry but, he being married to a Chinese woman defeats your strawmen experiences.
News to me.
Doubt you're still here, but here's the deal, if you haven't been on the receiving end of Hong Kong prejudice against mainlanders, you honestly have zero idea about the dynamics at work here. End of story.
EDIT: Should clarify that the reverse is also true. It's complicated
im confused as to where prejudices Chinese people have entered the discussion
this has all gone off the rails
this has all gone off the rails
By diehard Go To Postim confused as to where prejudices Chinese people have entered the discussionWell it's not a straightforward issues. So many different things made this entire situation.
this has all gone off the rails
That's why it's stupid to act like one tired of hot takes while lacing hot takes everywhere
By diehard Go To Postim confused as to where prejudices Chinese people have entered the discussion
this has all gone off the rails
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3031883/meet-mainland-chinese-who-are-living-fear-hong-kong
You see, media has no use for facts inconvenient to the narrative
By HasphatsAnts Go To Posthttps://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3031883/meet-mainland-chinese-who-are-living-fear-hong-kongWait, do you think the media narrative here is that no innocents are hurt by protests?
You see, media has no use for facts inconvenient to the narrative
Also, isn't the SCMP owned by Alibaba and ... not exactly impartial?
Any serious uprising is never going to be without people caught in the cross fire. Americans don't get it because we got our own issues. You'd have to go back to the American Revolution for people being scared because they're english sympathizers for a proper comparison. Plenty of countries will have tensions rising between two groups (especially if one is backed by an external oppressor) and it escalates into bloodshed. Even when we had shit like the Red Scare neighbors weren't murdering neighbors, it was contained to employment blacklisting and finger wagging. It was still fucked up but nothing like other countries ethnic or political tensions mounting into full scale violent uprisings and even genocide.
By diehard Go To PostWait, do you think the media narrative here is that no innocents are hurt by protests?May as well say everything under Google or Viacom is the locked in and uniform.
Also, isn't the SCMP owned by Alibaba and … not exactly impartial?
We've got our broad narratives and perspectives, sure, but it's not like Alibaba is without discourse either.
And our media doesn't care. I don't even like how we frame all of this around the extradition bill either.
By diehard Go To PostWait, do you think the media narrative here is that no innocents are hurt by protests?
Also, isn't the SCMP owned by Alibaba and … not exactly impartial?
It took the NYTimes till Oct. 7th to write their first big feature about street justice when things have already spiraled since the airport protests in early August. I don't know what to tell you man, you can't really engage with the totality of the situation on the ground if your editorial decision is to leave out big pieces of the story that might make Tribeca professionals to rethink their priors
SCMP's journalists are mostly hong kong based and offer both pro and anti protest leaning editorials. They're about as neutral as you can get when it comes to English language coverage.
By diehard Go To Postehhh 63 people died in the 92 LA RiotsThe obvious is foreign influence.
Like when we *think* there's a chance of foreign influence in our politics or domestic issues, we lose our shit and take response to ridiculous extremes. It doesn't even register as a constant unless it's something we're doing to attack and smear our own. Meanwhile, other countries deal with the worry of others in their shit routinely. Hell, if shits fishy, most just assume it's America anyways lol
By DY_nasty Go To PostMay as well say everything under Google or Viacom is the locked in and uniform.So you're essentially saying Google is under the same level of control as something controlled by the CCP? really?
We've got our broad narratives and perspectives, sure, but it's not like Alibaba is without discourse either.
And our media doesn't care. I don't even like how we frame all of this around the extradition bill either.
I'm sure if the Times writes about it https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/31/world/asia/south-china-morning-post-hong-kong-alibaba.html it will just be "well the Times answers to someone too!"?
Can that article HasphantAnts be correct? Absolutely. But using that as a source while complaining about media narratives ... ain't a good look.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostIt took the NYTimes till Oct. 7th to write their first big feature about street justice when things have already spiraled since the airport protests in early August. I don't know what to tell you man, you can't really engage with the totality of the situation on the ground if your editorial decision is to leave out big pieces of the story that might make Tribeca professionals to rethink their priorsSo let's engage on the totality of the situation. Ignore anything about media reporting and bias's they might have... how does the fact that some innocents have been hurt by these protests change your feeling about them?
SCMP's journalists are mostly hong kong based and offer both pro and anti protest leaning editorials. They're about as neutral as you can get when it comes to English language coverage.
By diehard Go To PostSo you're essentially saying Google is under the same level of control as something controlled by the CCP? really?
I'm sure if the Times writes about it https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/31/world/asia/south-china-morning-post-hong-kong-alibaba.html it will just be "well the Times answers to someone too!"?
Can that article HasphantAnts be correct? Absolutely. But using that as a source while complaining about media narratives … ain't a good look.
Do you follow their journalists? I've been tracking this story from the beginning, and SCMP is the only English language outlet to incorporate multiple voices in their coverage.
This is the problem with talking about China at large, any story or data point that doesn't confirm an American's priors is immediately dismissed as propaganda. On top of that, Anglophone media is woefully illiterate in Chinese so there's no potential to engage further beyond surface level reporting. It's frustrating and any attempt to improve the situation is honestly Sisyphean
By diehard Go To PostSo you're essentially saying Google is under the same level of control as something controlled by the CCP? really?breh no c'mon.
I'm sure if the Times writes about it https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/31/world/asia/south-china-morning-post-hong-kong-alibaba.html it will just be "well the Times answers to someone too!"?
Can that article HasphantAnts be correct? Absolutely. But using that as a source while complaining about media narratives … ain't a good look.
You can't say that every outlet that alifuckingbaba touches is a mouthpiece of the CCP. This is the shit I'm talking about lol. If someone were to say that everything Google or Amazon touches falls in line with US interests you'd laugh in their face.
And the times international coverage is just a mess these days. They couldn't even get a grip on the yellow vest stuff because they were still too bent on sucking off Macron...
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostDo you follow their journalists? I've been tracking this story from the beginning, and SCMP is the only English language outlet to incorporate multiple voices in their coverage.And the response to anything critical of China is always just "you don't understand China". Don't tell me that innocents get hurt by mass protests, tell me how it should change my outlook on the situation.
This is the problem with talking about China at large, any story or data point that doesn't confirm an American's priors is immediately dismissed as propaganda. On top of that, Anglophone media is woefully illiterate in Chinese so there's no potential to engage further beyond surface level reporting. It's frustrating and any attempt to improve the situation is honestly Sisyphean
By DY_nasty Go To Postbreh no c'mon.I had a whole response to this ready to go about the differences between a US news outlet and a CCP influenced news organizations but this this whole discussion is getting off track too much.
You can't say that every outlet that alifuckingbaba touches is a mouthpiece of the CCP. This is the shit I'm talking about lol. If someone were to say that everything Google or Amazon touches falls in line with US interests you'd laugh in their face.
And the times international coverage is just a mess these days. They couldn't even get a grip on the yellow vest stuff because they were still too bent on sucking off Macron…
For starters, nothing makes countries more uncomfortable than American humanitarian intervention efforts 😂
If you can't accept that much then there's already a wall of your own making in the way.
If you can't accept that much then there's already a wall of your own making in the way.
By DY_nasty Go To PostFor starters, nothing makes countries more uncomfortable than American humanitarian intervention efforts 😂What? I never said anything about intervening.
If you can't accept that much then there's already a wall of your own making in the way.
By diehard Go To PostAnd the response to anything critical of China is always just "you don't understand China". Don't tell me that innocents get hurt by mass protests, tell me how it should change my outlook on the situation.
When has anyone said that? There is plenty to criticize about China and on their broader handling of the situation in HK in particular.
Fact of the matter is, what are the protesters looking to accomplish? How are they looking to achieve their goals?
What they believe is that by protesting and grinding Hong Kong to a halt, that China has to intervene and respond because Hong Kong is irreplaceable. But we've seen that the CPC feel comfortable not responding at all because they know that there is no threat of contagion to the mainland because protesters themselves have ensured that that would never happen. If you can't build a coalition, what are you burning shops and punching office workers for?
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostWhen has anyone said that? There is plenty to criticize about China and on their broader handling of the situation in HK in particular.It's all across the internet (i wasn't referencing SLAENT there).
Fact of the matter is, what are the protesters looking to accomplish? How are they looking to achieve their goals?
What they believe is that by protesting and grinding Hong Kong to a halt, that China has to intervene and respond because Hong Kong is irreplaceable. But we've seen that the CPC feel comfortable not responding at all because they know that there is no threat of contagion to the mainland because protesters themselves have ensured that that would never happen. If you can't build a coalition, what are you burning shops and punching office workers for?
If you're whole point is that these protests won't do any good, then make that point. The whole "the western media doesn't understand and won't report about innocent people being hurt" (me paraphrasing with quotes) point seems unnecessary.
I mean damn, i'll probably agree.
By diehard Go To PostWhat? I never said anything about intervening.This has escalated in part because of the possibility of such an intervention.
We're voting on it. Dumb af imo. Validating a fraction of the protestors and inflaming things at the same time.