By batong Go To PostSilva to Benfica?Only if they end the Champions League group stage with 0 points and even then I doubt it.
Laje is loved by the fans and there would be a lot of unrest if he was fired.
Besides, Silva's valour is decreasing. Many people are starting to think that a big part of his success was due to his former assistant João Pedro Sousa who apparently handled more of the offensive training.
Sousa is the big revelation of the league, taking over newly promoted Famalicão as his first senior manager job and they are the surprising league leaders with 6 wins and a draw, including a shocking away win against Sporting.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/oct/16/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-more-time-respect-manchester-united-manager
I 100% agree. Sacking Ole will gain us nothing. Even if it’s for Allegri or Poch, what are they going to do with this squad?
Keep Ole on. Give him a chance when players are back from injury, when he has more of his squad available. It’ll feel super good if it goes well, and if it doesn’t, it’ll only feel half as bad when we saxk him.
I know I called for Moyes to be given more time, but he was dealt a much stronger hand than Ole.
I 100% agree. Sacking Ole will gain us nothing. Even if it’s for Allegri or Poch, what are they going to do with this squad?
Keep Ole on. Give him a chance when players are back from injury, when he has more of his squad available. It’ll feel super good if it goes well, and if it doesn’t, it’ll only feel half as bad when we saxk him.
I know I called for Moyes to be given more time, but he was dealt a much stronger hand than Ole.
Appointing Ole permanently was following up a mistake with a bigger mistake, which is par for the course for the club.
The question now is which is the bigger mistake at this point:
- Sacking Ole this year if performances don't improve, with no clear succession plan
- Sacking Ole at the end of the season after identifying and making a run for a more experienced manager (Allegri, Poch), leaving yet another rebuild not even half done
- Giving him another ~3 windows to finish putting a team together regardless of how poor results are, as long as we are not getting relegated
All of these options carry risks and big drawbacks, but which is the worst?
The question now is which is the bigger mistake at this point:
- Sacking Ole this year if performances don't improve, with no clear succession plan
- Sacking Ole at the end of the season after identifying and making a run for a more experienced manager (Allegri, Poch), leaving yet another rebuild not even half done
- Giving him another ~3 windows to finish putting a team together regardless of how poor results are, as long as we are not getting relegated
All of these options carry risks and big drawbacks, but which is the worst?
Honestly? It's giving him the 3 years. It is astonishingly rare for a manger to change things when they're in a death spiral ((and Ole isn't there yet) but backing a manager in one financially for 3 years on principle is how you get relegated.
Biggest myth about United is we do or should give managers more time. Prior to Fergie most managers were gone within 2 years and Fergie was close to going too until he fixed shit at the last moment.
Atm I would say give him until the end of the season and actually have a level-headed review of where we're realistically headed and which parts of the machine are actually under-performing the most.
Biggest myth about United is we do or should give managers more time. Prior to Fergie most managers were gone within 2 years and Fergie was close to going too until he fixed shit at the last moment.
Atm I would say give him until the end of the season and actually have a level-headed review of where we're realistically headed and which parts of the machine are actually under-performing the most.
By Laboured Go To PostBiggest myth about United is we do or should give managers more time. Prior to Fergie most managers were gone within 2 years and Fergie was close to going too until he fixed shit at the last moment.Haven't you just proven that he should be given more time?
Sack Ole ASAP. Everyone seems to agree that he’s not a manager for a club of United’s stature and ambition and attempting to buy players he specifically wants, which seems to be failing at the moment, is just pissing in the wind. United need a manager who is able to make the best of what he has before he gets his squad exactly how he wants.
Someone like Conte would probably be perfect tbh lol.
Someone like Conte would probably be perfect tbh lol.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostHaven't you just proven that he should be given more time?
One manager who almost got sacked and managed to turn that in to 20+ years of footballing dominance is probably not a great sample size?
By Laboured Go To PostOne manager who almost got sacked and managed to turn that in to 20+ years of footballing dominance is probably not a great sample size?But you mentioned all the prior managers to Fergie who weren't given time and didn't do shit.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostSack Ole ASAP. Everyone seems to agree that he’s not a manager for a club of United’s stature and ambition and attempting to buy players he specifically wants, which seems to be failing at the moment, is just pissing in the wind. United need a manager who is able to make the best of what he has before he gets his squad exactly how he wants.The players he did bring in have been fine
Someone like Conte would probably be perfect tbh lol.
Breaking it down to a simplistic comparsion with totally different circumstances might not be the smartest thing.
Stewards in Bulgaria were part of the racist chanting: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50066016
According to European anti-discrimination body Fare, about 20 stewards joined those involved in racist abuse and far-right activity after taking their hi-vis jackets off.
The European anti-discrimination body had spotters in the crowd and have included their findings in the report they have handed to Uefa.
Fare executive director Piara Powar said: "It is common practice in Eastern Europe. They use security from fan groups as they know their own people. That's the idea but it's not the idea to take off bibs and join in.
"There in lies the problem in some countries. Some of the policing is not fit for purpose.
According to European anti-discrimination body Fare, about 20 stewards joined those involved in racist abuse and far-right activity after taking their hi-vis jackets off.
The European anti-discrimination body had spotters in the crowd and have included their findings in the report they have handed to Uefa.
Fare executive director Piara Powar said: "It is common practice in Eastern Europe. They use security from fan groups as they know their own people. That's the idea but it's not the idea to take off bibs and join in.
"There in lies the problem in some countries. Some of the policing is not fit for purpose.
By FortuneFaded Go To PostBut you mentioned all the prior managers to Fergie who weren't given time and didn't do shit.
Are you (I know you're not) arguing in good faith that there is anything more than an infinitesimally small chance that most managers given more time will come good?
I mean, I know that can logically be argued on the bare face of what I said but it certainly isn't proof. Especially as it doesn't appear any of the others looked like they were turning it around, which is a fairly key point.
Fucking lol at wanting to give Ole more time. I mean please, do. But christ almighty it’s so blindingly obviously he’s utterly and completely out of his depth, I can’t see how any players respect him as a manager.
All this just because he’s a nice bloke. What a club United has become.
All this just because he’s a nice bloke. What a club United has become.
I don't see how the line " Prior to Fergie most managers were gone within 2 years and Fergie was close to going too until he fixed shit at the last moment." proves that manager's shouldn't be given more time. This reads as the opposite. That was my point.
The preceding sentence to that helps to provide context, I think. In terms of 'should' I'm very much pointing to pundits that say it's part of our tradition that we simply should give more time on principle.
By NinjaFridge Go To PostThe players he did bring in have been fineImagine how good they will be under a proper manager.
The reason why we want Ole to get more time is not because he's a nice bloke, it's because we dont want a rushed job in employing the next manager.
I love Ole, he's probably my favorite United player and I actually do think if he leaves in a week or so it would not hurt his stature as a player for us. Just that if he leaves without a good replacement in waiting, AND a DoF we might be worst off in the long run because of how United is being managed at the top.
I love Ole, he's probably my favorite United player and I actually do think if he leaves in a week or so it would not hurt his stature as a player for us. Just that if he leaves without a good replacement in waiting, AND a DoF we might be worst off in the long run because of how United is being managed at the top.
I’d give him until the end of the season and move for Poch. The players Ole has bought suit his game, it won’t be a huge shift like Moyes > Gaal > Mou. I just don’t see how bringing in another manager now would really help things.
By inky Go To PostZabo, where are you lad?Way ahead of you, muchacho. Well, not really, but I'll be playing it over the weekend for sure.
Have you got Disco Elysium yet? You should if you haven't m9.
It's like if a game was made by Wooden and then censored to be (still) socially acceptable.
I stand by my opinion, and I know it's unpopular with the United boys here, but getting rid of Mourinho was a mistake. Ole is nowhere near as good, so why not let Mourinho finish his term?
Do you persist until the end of the season if relegation is even a remote possibility? Surely not, n8.
I’m in two minds - he’s clearly not up for the job but I don’t think a new manager can turn things around either.
Just can’t shake the feeling that we will be here again.
I’m in two minds - he’s clearly not up for the job but I don’t think a new manager can turn things around either.
Just can’t shake the feeling that we will be here again.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostI stand by my opinion, and I know it's unpopular with the United boys here, but getting rid of Mourinho was a mistake. Ole is nowhere near as good, so why not let Mourinho finish his term?Because results is not the only reason why Mourinho was fired.
We let him go because things were starting to get too toxic. His moodiness was affecting everyone.
By Zabojnik Go To PostWay ahead of you, muchacho. Well, not really, but I'll be playing it over the weekend for sure.That does sound like an appropriate description.
It's like if a game was made by Wooden and then censored to be (still) socially acceptable.
Good lad.
Mourinho had become both a shit manager, and a toxic influence at the club
At least Ole is only one of those things
At least Ole is only one of those things
By Andrew Go To PostDo you persist until the end of the season if relegation is even a remote possibility? Surely not, n8.
I’m in two minds - he’s clearly not up for the job but I don’t think a new manager can turn things around either.
Just can’t shake the feeling that we will be here again.
We aren’t gonna get relegated lol
By Frustrated_me Go To PostI stand by my opinion, and I know it's unpopular with the United boys here, but getting rid of Mourinho was a mistake. Ole is nowhere near as good, so why not let Mourinho finish his term?
Players were in open rebellion, and while I struggle to defend them a lot of the time it was easy to see even from the outside why they were doing so.
Utd will be fine. Worst case even with Ole is that they finish around 10th or something. A new coach isn't gonna make them significantly better -- just ride him out for the time being.
By FootFungus Go To PostAnd worst of all… J Ciarna.who's that
By Laboured Go To PostPlayers were in open rebellion, and while I struggle to defend them a lot of the time it was easy to see even from the outside why they were doing so.Why were they doing so? What was Mourinho doing that made the players rebel?
By Frustrated_me Go To PostWhy were they doing so? What was Mourinho doing that made the players rebel?
Just going nuclear at them from pre-season onwards and shitting on everyone. Using press conferences to single out players who didn't even necessarily deserve it compared to others but he felt he had a vendetta with. You know, garden variety Mou stuff.
By J Ciaran Go To Postwas the rat stuff at United or Madrid lol
probably both
RM
Mourinho behaved like a cunt to players and staff and ultimately created his own beheading. He’s undoubtedly a superior coach to Ole in every way but the club literally needed someone to just make everyone see some slither of hope. For this, Ole was perfect. Clapping his hands, smiling, an unwavering niceness, telling everyone that they were in some way doing a great job. He was the perfect anti-Mourinho tonic.
It’s just he should’ve resigned that post at the end of the season and given way to an actual, serious, qualified football manager.
I don’t think United will be relegated but I do think things are going to get much worse than losing to Newcastle and Palace. We’re approaching another beheading and when you look - in the same way - for the perfect tonic in a post Ole era it is someone like Allegri or Poch who will actually start instructing these footballers how to be better again.
It’s just he should’ve resigned that post at the end of the season and given way to an actual, serious, qualified football manager.
I don’t think United will be relegated but I do think things are going to get much worse than losing to Newcastle and Palace. We’re approaching another beheading and when you look - in the same way - for the perfect tonic in a post Ole era it is someone like Allegri or Poch who will actually start instructing these footballers how to be better again.
My hunger for football is making me watch the Brazilian league for the second time this league.
This is awful football, low intensity, not much going on.
This is awful football, low intensity, not much going on.
By Wahabipapangus Go To Posti want football to never start again tbh
Probably the only pro opinion here tbh.
By Wahabipapangus Go To Posti want football to never start again tbhWish the internet crowd would cancel it.
United this season are struggling because Woodward is a moron who didn't sign the extra 2-3 players it would have taken for United to have a balanced squad, the insane amount of injuries that would have crippled any team in the league & the multitude of games that were decided by the referee messing up against United. Literally there hasn't been a single game this season that United have had a game changing moment go there way.
Ole is the least of Manchester United's problems & his style of play combined with the type of players he wants to bring in are one of the few good things to have happened over the past few seasons.
Pep, Klopp, Poch, Conte, it doesn't matter who the manager is, when you only get half the players you need in a transfer window & half your first choice team is out injured you're going to struggle to win.
Ole is the least of Manchester United's problems & his style of play combined with the type of players he wants to bring in are one of the few good things to have happened over the past few seasons.
Pep, Klopp, Poch, Conte, it doesn't matter who the manager is, when you only get half the players you need in a transfer window & half your first choice team is out injured you're going to struggle to win.
By Shanks D Zoro Go To PostWill Frustrated defend every single person who has an association with Madrid?Fuck Morata, TBO and Di Maria.
I guess my point about Mourinho is that Ole is straight out garbage and basically anyone else is an instant upgrade.
