Regarding Fred “coming good”, I read something on twitter yesterday about Fred being a worse signing than Sanchez
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not sure I agree to be honest
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not sure I agree to be honest
By Roberto Larcos Go To PostMost of what you said I can get behind, but this is genuinely laughable. They're not close to Liverpool or City, and Spurs finished 3rd, reached a CL final and strengthened over summer. Meanwhile, Arsenal have gotten rid of their own deadwood (Welbeck, Elneny, Jenkinson, Lichtsteiner) while significantly upgrading in other areas (Pépé in Iwobi out, Tierney in Monreal out, David Luiz in Mustafi relegated to backup). Even their big loss (Ramsey) has been pretty effectively replaced with Dani Ceballos coming in.Like i've said for several years Man United aren't an elite side at the moment while City & Liverpool are, United aren't finishing above them & i never said they would. That leaves Spurs who even tho they are a better team have been playing poorly for almost all of 2019 in the league & Arsenal+Chelsea. My honest answer is Chelsea, Arsenal & United are all of a similar level & all could finish in the top 4. I don't agree at all Arsenal's starting eleven is better than United's, there's only a few players of theirs that would get into United's team. A combined XI would be:
Arsenal's first XI is stronger than Man Utd's, they have more depth than Man Utd, and their manager is more competent than Man Utd's. They also finished ahead of Man Utd last season regardless, and even then didn't finish in the top 4 themselves.
Chelsea is a more complicated argument to make. I still think they're more complete than Man Utd (and a better side overall), but Arsenal is a slam-dunk.
------------------De Gea----------------
Bissaka Lindelof Maguire Shaw
------------------Torreira----------------
-----------Ceballos----Pogba--------
Rashford-----------------------Martial
--------------Aubameyang-------------
Ceballos & Martial are debatable but overall at best only 3 Arsenal players get in.
By Roberto Larcos Go To PostMost of what you said I can get behind, but this is genuinely laughable. They're not close to Liverpool or City, and Spurs finished 3rd, reached a CL final and strengthened over summer. Meanwhile, Arsenal have gotten rid of their own deadwood (Welbeck, Elneny, Jenkinson, Lichtsteiner) while significantly upgrading in other areas (Pépé in Iwobi out, Tierney in Monreal out, David Luiz in Mustafi relegated to backup). Even their big loss (Ramsey) has been pretty effectively replaced with Dani Ceballos coming in.Chelsea finished third last season. 😎✊🏼
Arsenal's first XI is stronger than Man Utd's, they have more depth than Man Utd, and their manager is more competent than Man Utd's. They also finished ahead of Man Utd last season regardless, and even then didn't finish in the top 4 themselves.
Chelsea is a more complicated argument to make. I still think they're more complete than Man Utd (and a better side overall), but Arsenal is a slam-dunk.
We have too many players even with Chiellini's injury and we're adding one more lol..
I suspect Rugani is off.
no one in Italy is reporting anything yet though
I suspect Rugani is off.
no one in Italy is reporting anything yet though
By Fergie Go To Posthe's right that it doesn't make sense.
he did have off the pitch issues with Italy's U21 side but not with us.
By J Ciaran Go To Posthe's right that it doesn't make sense.
he did have off the pitch issues with Italy's U21 side but not with us.
Problem was with the NT. Him and Zaniolo turned up late for training, so have been demoted.
By Perfect Blue Go To PostChelsea finished third last season. 😎✊🏼
I forgot how badly Spurs crumbled in the league, honestly don't pay the PL a huge amount of attention, but sometimes looking at things from a little further back can give some more perspective.
By Doicare Go To PostA combined XI would be:
——————De Gea—————-
Bissaka Lindelof Maguire Shaw
——————Torreira—————-
———–Ceballos—-Pogba——–
Rashford———————–Martial
————–Aubameyang————-
Ceballos & Martial are debatable but overall at best only 3 Arsenal players get in.
Let's go into this a little.
Firstly, Man Utd have no depth at CF, so while Rashford and Martial are good wingers (too early to say how Pépé compares, mind), they don't have the luxury of playing both of them in that role for Man Utd. In fact, with a packed schedule, it's unlikely that either will play 30 games on the wing this season. Man Utd's senior wingers are Daniel James, Andreas Pereira, Jesse Lingard and Martial (if Rashford isn't injured or being rested). Aubameyang on the wing is much more of a threat than Martial, I've not seen enough of Pépé to rate him. Lacazette scores more goals than Rashford, and that's what I'd rate a CF on above anything else.
Secondly, it's a very courageous decision for you to pick Man Utd's entire back five given their defensive record so far this season. I definitely wouldn't put Shaw ahead of Tierney, and Lindelöf is a liability against any side that puts crosses into the box. On current form, De Gea wouldn't make the cut either. I'm sure his quality will show over the course of the season, but nobody can deny that he's looked ropey so far.
We can talk about Man Utd being unfortunate with injuries, but the lack of depth is something they chose not to address.
By Lambda Go To PostWolves playing like shitnot as good when they have to chase a game. much better counter attacking team.
seems like they have half a season on their legs already
By Killer7 Go To Postnot as good when they have to chase a game. much better counter attacking team.missing Jota also
Easy for people to forget that Martial came as a forward, played as a forward, until Mou decides that he's a winger.
Well, LVG too tbf. We definitely fucked up on his sense. Watched a couple of his goals and he went from someone who challenges defenders to being static.
Looked to improve this season, but still far from where he was when he was 21.
Depressing.
Well, LVG too tbf. We definitely fucked up on his sense. Watched a couple of his goals and he went from someone who challenges defenders to being static.
Looked to improve this season, but still far from where he was when he was 21.
Depressing.
By Roberto Larcos Go To PostFirstly, Man Utd have no depth at CF, so while Rashford and Martial are good wingers (too early to say how Pépé compares, mind), they don't have the luxury of playing both of them in that role for Man Utd. In fact, with a packed schedule, it's unlikely that either will play 30 games on the wing this season. Man Utd's senior wingers are Daniel James, Andreas Pereira, Jesse Lingard and Martial (if Rashford isn't injured or being rested). Aubameyang on the wing is much more of a threat than Martial, I've not seen enough of Pépé to rate him. Lacazette scores more goals than Rashford, and that's what I'd rate a CF on above anything else.The conversation which you started was about best XI, i posted the best combined XI which contains significantly more United players, depth of squad has nothing to do with that. But speaking of depth Arsenal's quality of depth is very poor. Like i said Martial is debatable but even if you want to put Aubameyang on the wing & Lacazette upfront then there's still more United players in the team.
By Roberto Larcos Go To PostSecondly, it's a very courageous decision for you to pick Man Utd's entire back five given their defensive record so far this season. I definitely wouldn't put Shaw ahead of Tierney, and Lindelöf is a liability against any side that puts crosses into the box. On current form, De Gea wouldn't make the cut either. I'm sure his quality will show over the course of the season, but nobody can deny that he's looked ropey so far.This season United have conceded just 9.8 shots per game which is one of the lowest in the league, they've been unlucky that the teams they've played against have taken their chances, on the other hand Arsenal have conceded 17.3 shots per game which is the second worst in the entire league, they are very, VERY lucky that teams haven't taken more of their chances. As things stand both have conceded 4 goals each but United have played a game more. Tierney is an unproven injury prone player from the Scottish league while the best CB Arsenal could offer to replace Lindelof with is David Luiz, an over the hill mistake ridden player who Chelsea got rid off because they knew how bad he was.
By Lambda Go To Posti have Spurs winning with relative ease
Martial was bought as a number 9, he was very lethal in his first season,
then Mou came and gave his number to Ibra and then to the coward known as Lukaku.
He was never a winger first, but you could be forgiven for thinking he was with his natural ability to skin a man.
then Mou came and gave his number to Ibra and then to the coward known as Lukaku.
He was never a winger first, but you could be forgiven for thinking he was with his natural ability to skin a man.
Woke up in this weird world where people are making good reasoned posts. What the fuck happened to you guys? Did you find Jesus?
By Milchmonster Go To PostWhy would you sign Jerome, Juve bros? Don't do itChiellini is out for 6 months if not for good and Rugani is probably worse than Boateng
By J Ciaran Go To PostChiellini is out for 6 months if not for good and Rugani is probably worse than Boateng
M8, Rugani is better than De Ligt as a defender. Never seen Rugani play half as bad as De Ligt did yesterday.
By n8 dogg Go To PostBut also a team with the spending power of a side that is established in the Premier League, that beat Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal, and drew with City, and finished seventh. Again, context is important. So what they look like, full picture on show, is a team that struggles to break down teams weaker than them that defend but thrive against stronger teams that open up. So am I glad we were better than they were and improved tenfold on our performances last season? Yes, yes I was.#tunedout
You’re right, the Huddersfield game is a terrible result. But Everton in Pep’s first season beat them 4-0. Last season, they beat Chelsea and Arsenal at Goodison, two teams that finished above us and made a European final.
I would argue there is no such thing as Ole’s United; not really, not yet. He’s been in the job proper for about four months. He’s made three signings. That’s less than Bruce has made at Newcastle, in double the time.
What he has done is attempt to change our style of play to be more on the front foot, more aggressive pressing in the final third. He’s lowered our average age. He’s playing a core of British players. He’s got rid of Sanchez, Lukaku, Smalling - all players not good enough for us or who don’t want to be here. He’s doing a lot of things that are as important as getting results for me - our style of play is improving, I like watching young players (steady), I like us retaining a homegrown youth. He is doing those things.
As someone who watched turgid football under Benitez for a few years, and especially considering his own starts to Premier League seasons, it’s a tad confusing to me that you can’t separate results from everything else. Did you like Rafa because he got results? Or did you like him for him? Did you like that his teams fought hard and showed spirit? Did you like that he seemed a thoroughly decent man who enjoyed being at the club? Because if it was results, they weren’t that fantastic, and if it was performances then my god you like watching shit football.
Results are not the be all and end all of my joy as a football fan. And even on the results side of things, why the fuck would I care about ANYTHING that happened last season, shit results at Huddersfield included?
So far we have played four games. One we’ve won, one we should have won against a side that ate us alive last year, one we unluckily lost due to our own profligacy and terrible refereeing, and one that was a fair draw. We have easily the weakest squad of the top six. We have owners who refuse to invest in the squad to the level it should be. And Ole has brought about positive changes in lots of aspects of our club.
I think we’ll finish sixth this season. But that’s because I have realistic expectations of where we are as a club, whereas you seem to keep parroting that we have a god-given right as Manchester United to beat the likes of Wolves and Everton when Chelsea aren’t winning there and Arsenal aren’t winning there but Crystal Palace and Huddersfield are. Guess what? Football’s complicated. If anyone had a right to win, then Bolton wouldn’t be on the brink of extinction and Liverpool would have one of those fucking titles we’ve so delighted in keeping from their grasp for 30 years.
Haven’t been this morbidly curious to see a team sheet for a long time. If we try to play fancy football with Sissoko and Winks as our only midfielders then we are fucked. Nothing wrong with being compact and playing on the break if you don’t have the tools to do anything else, Poch has to be more pragmatic in his tactics.
By Ushojax Go To PostHaven’t been this morbidly curious to see a team sheet for a long time. If we try to play fancy football with Sissoko and Winks as our only midfielders then we are fucked. Nothing wrong with being compact and playing on the break if you don’t have the tools to do anything else, Poch has to be more pragmatic in his tactics.is Ndombele injured? don't think he played last game