If we get Mandzukic I give up on us getting Bruno. Think Rashford will play as a no. 10 in his place.
Not that I'm that opposed to it. Mandzukic is a fantastic target man against teams that drop deep.
Not that I'm that opposed to it. Mandzukic is a fantastic target man against teams that drop deep.
By batong Go To Post£90 million for Maguire 😂😂think Maguire is a pretty good CB, but the transfer fee is a hindsight is 20/20 kind of thing.
A lot of people thought VVD wasn't worth 75mil. He proved them wrong.
Now it's up to Maguire to do so.
No one actually thought VVD isn’t worth 75m, the summer prior, people thought our attempts at doing it for 50m was laughable.
There was just a lot of friendly concern ;)
There was just a lot of friendly concern ;)
It was a crazy price, for a player from Southampton. Everyone (including me) vastly underrated Liverpool's scouting.
Now I'm not saying Maguire would be worth it, because our scouting have been shit for YEARS (Mou bought his own people to scout for players, that's how bad it was) so I can understand how laughable it looks like.
I really like Maguire though, and happy if we get him.
Now I'm not saying Maguire would be worth it, because our scouting have been shit for YEARS (Mou bought his own people to scout for players, that's how bad it was) so I can understand how laughable it looks like.
I really like Maguire though, and happy if we get him.
It’s not just the ability of the player, it’s the cumulative effect it has on results. If AWB, De Gea and Lindelof all get an increase in performance because of Maguire’s presence then it adds lots of additional value. Defence gets results which breeds consistency. You have to be ultra consistent to just achieve the top four in this league.
It’s also why Arsenal should’ve bought a proper central defender.
It’s also why Arsenal should’ve bought a proper central defender.
By Arnie Go To PostIt’s not just the ability of the player, it’s the cumulative effect it has on results. If AWB, De Gea and Lindelof all get an increase in performance because of Maguire’s presence then it adds lots of additional value. Defence gets results which breeds consistency. You have to be ultra consistent to just achieve the top four in this league.It definitely is.
It’s also why Arsenal should’ve bought a proper central defender.
I agree with the quote "defense wins championships". You can't expect your goalscorers to score in every match.
edit: Unless you have a front three of Suarez, Neymar, and Messi.
By Flutter Go To PostIt definitely is.To be honest until seeing Van Dijk I didn’t know quite how much that statement was true. We got 97 points and a Europeans Cup because we have four world class players between defence and goalkeeper.
I agree with the quote "defense wins championships". You can't expect your goalscorers to score in every match.
edit: Unless you have a front three of Suarez, Neymar, and Messi.
Sure, you need to score, but it’s all pointless if you’ve already conceded, or fear conceding at every set piece. Fear becomes goals so even just the perception of solidity is important. Sometimes neither Alisson or Virgil didn’t have to do anything but look big and hard.
Fear leads to goals,
Goals lead to Phil JOnes face
Phil Jones leads to suffering,
I sense much Phil Jones in you.
Goals lead to Phil JOnes face
Phil Jones leads to suffering,
I sense much Phil Jones in you.
Yeah, Liverpool 2018/19 is a prime example.
Anyway, watching the This Is Football episode on Messi and it's giving me the cummies
Anyway, watching the This Is Football episode on Messi and it's giving me the cummies
By Arnie Go To PostTo be honest until seeing Van Dijk I didn’t know quite how much that statement was true. We got 97 points and a Europeans Cup because we have four world class players between defence and goalkeeper.
Sure, you need to score, but it’s all pointless if you’ve already conceded, or fear conceding at every set piece. Fear becomes goals so even just the perception of solidity is important. Sometimes neither Alisson or Virgil didn’t have to do anything but look big and hard.
you should've listened
Oh yeah Chelsea under Conte when they won that title is another. Luiz was such a good fit as a libero, and Kante showed again why he's the best midfielder in the world.
Yea the axis of a Chiellini, Barzagli, Bonnuci and Buffon was a fairly good example to the world.
And yet Phil Jones still exists.
And yet Phil Jones still exists.
If Utd had just paid the asking price back at the beginning of July they probably could have signed Maguire, but every delay just puts more power in Leicester's hands.
They’ll get Maguire and they’ll slightly overpay for it but it will be an absolutely excellent signing. Just as AWB is an absolutely excellent signing. Just as De Gea signing a new contract is absolutely excellent for the club.
A lot of gloom but it’s a solid window. Thankfully they’ve still run by an atrocious coach who’ll take them off a cliff by Christmas. But whichever proper manager takes over will inherit a better position.
A lot of gloom but it’s a solid window. Thankfully they’ve still run by an atrocious coach who’ll take them off a cliff by Christmas. But whichever proper manager takes over will inherit a better position.
I reckon Mandzukic will be tremendous for a season
and when you pair him with Dybala, you'll be all set upfront. Maybe our last truly great partnership
Mario does all the unrequited runs for Dybala to exploit
and when you pair him with Dybala, you'll be all set upfront. Maybe our last truly great partnership
Mario does all the unrequited runs for Dybala to exploit
Eh, I think Ole will be fine.
Not title winning fine, but top 4 is within reach. What worries me with him is his substitutions, because there are a couple of times last season when makes them when it already seems too late. Other than that he has done some really good improvements to morale, squad tactics, and performances for us.
Of course I'll take Poch in his place though, but honestly, I dont think anyone else but him and his team could have done the changes United had needed for this season.
The question is for me, is will Woodward fuck it up.
Not title winning fine, but top 4 is within reach. What worries me with him is his substitutions, because there are a couple of times last season when makes them when it already seems too late. Other than that he has done some really good improvements to morale, squad tactics, and performances for us.
Of course I'll take Poch in his place though, but honestly, I dont think anyone else but him and his team could have done the changes United had needed for this season.
The question is for me, is will Woodward fuck it up.
By Oddinho Go To PostNo one actually thought VVD isn’t worth 75m, the summer prior, people thought our attempts at doing it for 50m was laughable.VVD was already a monster at Saints
There was just a lot of friendly concern ;)
Maguire is a decent defender. 90m for him is insane imo
By Vini.lad Go To PostVVD was already a monster at SaintsThis isn’t really true. Van Dijk was not the player he is at a club like Liverpool and it was some very good scouting by a few big clubs to have the confidence he’d become as good as he has.
Maguire is a decent defender. 90m for him is insane imo
Maguire is in the same mould. Consistently impressive performances in a team like Leicester which could translate to real dominance in a team with (potentially) greater quality. I add potentially because I believe Leicester under Rodgers could well play better football than United next season.
VVD was a complete defender already at Southampton imo
The question was whether he could handle the pressure of the step up and the price tag, it was plain as day that he had every single attribute you could hope for in a top centreback.
Maguire has a lot of qualities, but I can see the lack of pace and tankerish turning speed being an issue, especially if you want to play a high line and combined with De Gea's fetish for the goal line
Regardless he'll be a massive improvement on what you've got, and that's what matters really. He doesn't even have to be close to world class to be worth £90m.
The question was whether he could handle the pressure of the step up and the price tag, it was plain as day that he had every single attribute you could hope for in a top centreback.
Maguire has a lot of qualities, but I can see the lack of pace and tankerish turning speed being an issue, especially if you want to play a high line and combined with De Gea's fetish for the goal line
Regardless he'll be a massive improvement on what you've got, and that's what matters really. He doesn't even have to be close to world class to be worth £90m.
By Arnie Go To PostThis isn’t really true. Van Dijk was not the player he is at a club like Liverpool and it was some very good scouting by a few big clubs to have the confidence he’d become as good as he has.
Maguire is in the same mould. Consistently impressive performances in a team like Leicester which could translate to real dominance in a team with (potentially) greater quality. I add potentially because I believe Leicester under Rodgers could well play better football than United next season.
It is.
Of course he's better now on a much better team, but people knew at the time that despite the massive fee, VVD was always gonna succeed at Liverpool and people would forget the fee. Some banter you when he struggled a little bit in the first months scoring some own goals and making small mistakes, but the majority knew that was good business.
With Maguire I have no idea. Don't think he's anywhere close to do what VVD is doing for Liverpool, hence why I think the fee is too high.
Nah, VVD was always class at Southampton but at Liverpool he is now world-class and the best CB in the league by far (Laporte comes a distant 2nd imo)
Laporte, 2nd? My money is on Vertonghen. Laporte can make some dumb decisions from time to time.
That Laporte - Stones partnership is going to have a serious trial by fire.
That Laporte - Stones partnership is going to have a serious trial by fire.
Legit would love to know the kind of clubs that would try signing Jones, Rojo, Bailly and Smalling.
Reckon Watford at best.
Reckon Watford at best.
Would far rather keep Smalling than Jones, but ugh that new contract. Think we should sell one of Rojo/Darmian, not both. It our defensive options were:
AWB/Young, Smalling/Maguire, Tuanzebe/Lindelof, Shaw/one of Rojo/Darmian (and dead Bailly)
Altho if we sell rojo and darmian because we’re keeping jones that’s okay. Use him as emergency cover and Young as emergency lb
that’s decent depth. If we sold all three of the players above, we are well understaffed unless there’s people in the yoof KidA can tell me about. Is Fosu-Mensah still alive? Better as a midfielder anyway.
AWB/Young, Smalling/Maguire, Tuanzebe/Lindelof, Shaw/one of Rojo/Darmian (and dead Bailly)
Altho if we sell rojo and darmian because we’re keeping jones that’s okay. Use him as emergency cover and Young as emergency lb
that’s decent depth. If we sold all three of the players above, we are well understaffed unless there’s people in the yoof KidA can tell me about. Is Fosu-Mensah still alive? Better as a midfielder anyway.
Sell all of them (even Bailly now that he is perma crocked). Keep Lindelof, Maguire and Axel. Play Mandzukic as back-up CB if need be.
I love the business Overmars does for us. But if we for some mysterious reason want to sell our best midfielder who is essential to our style of play we should just ask 80 million minimum. We should be done selling players now, Eredivisie starts tomorrow for us. Paok in CL is next tuesday. The only player who should be allowed to leave is supposed to be Ziyech.
By Hitch Go To PostLegit would love to know the kind of clubs that would try signing Jones, Rojo, Bailly and Smalling.the way things are going, J club.
Reckon Watford at best.
Not sure what the point is of having Jones as cover when he's injured half the time
The least you want from your backup is for them to be available when needed
The least you want from your backup is for them to be available when needed
Jones isn't just a liability due to his own injuries, it's also the injuries he is liable to cause in training too.
Disagree on the VVD stuff. He spent the four months before joining us just getting skinned at Southampton, and despite his motivational lapse it wasn’t a good look.
I think people thought he was good but not that he was going to be anywhere near as influential as he has been. The rest is revisionist.
I think Maguire’s big weakness is technique. He’s fast enough for what he needs to do.
I think people thought he was good but not that he was going to be anywhere near as influential as he has been. The rest is revisionist.
I think Maguire’s big weakness is technique. He’s fast enough for what he needs to do.
By Punished Go To PostPretty much. That front 3 shines with Robertson and TAA down the wings.
And the other 8?
More you hear about quite how Juve are shoving Dybakla out of the door makes me a tad worried we'll be receiving a thoroughly fucked off player.
By Laboured Go To PostMore you hear about quite how Juve are shoving Dybakla out of the door makes me a tad worried we'll be receiving a thoroughly fucked off player.Or maybe you'll get a player that is pissed off and wants to show Juventus what they are missing.