Politics | 2014-15

By Mrs. Manky Go To PostAlso, Bernie Sanders fans are ignoring that he's an NRA supporter.

That's just not true. The NRA gave money to his opponent in 1990. He supported the 2013 attempt for gun control. The NRA never graded him above C- (since that is what they do, give grades to politicians based on their attitude on the issue). Be a bit more rigorous with your wording.

As for BLM, we are not talking about a centralized organization. What happened in Seattle was not a BLM initiative, but one by members of BLM.

And enough with the "Bernie Sanders fans" thing. They are supporters, like with other politicians, call them that. If anything, the cult of personality is stronger with other candidates who tend to make it more about their own personality and charisma than it is about issues. Sanders is not "chilling in Cedar Rapids", thinking it's cute and appealing to apolitical sentiments. See the enthusiasm for what it is, a persistent Leftist tendency in American politics, in contrast with the quiet style of centrists who like Clinton, very much like in 2008... only people did not realize Obama was of the same kin.

No, I am a Bernie supporter. I like his policy slightly more than Clinton. I think this congress means his differences in policy is moot though. He's not getting his ideas passed. So I'm voting to keep the GOP out of the presidency. When I say Bernie Stan I mean those who refer to Clinton as a republican even though she has the 11tth most liberal voting record. The people wiling to snub their nose at Clinton when Bernie doesn't win. Those are stans.

BLM's recent meeting with Clinton is another example of its disorganization. They asked a 3 minute long run on sentence question with limited time and then when asked by Clinton directly what they want her to do, they had nothing.

Speaking of BLM,

This was just posted on GAF and it's fantastic ..

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

The slandering of Shaun King is disgusting. If anyone ever tells you "two sides of the same coin" when discussing politics and how one side treats another, then they can really go take a hike.

"How dare you say all Trump supporters are racists?" Supporter of a man who rose up the political leaderboards by generalizing Mexicans as rapists.

#someofthemgoodpeople

By Gabyskra Go To PostThat's just not true. The NRA gave money to his opponent in 1990. He supported the 2013 attempt for gun control. The NRA never graded him above C- (since that is what they do, give grades to politicians based on their attitude on the issue). Be a bit more rigorous with your wording.

I should have been more rigorous with my wording, you are correct. I should have said that in the past, Bernie Sanders overall favored looser gun control than most progressives would like:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/12/bernie-sanders-parrots-the-nra.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/

And that the NRA was willing to support him when his Repubican opponent was stricter on gun control than he was:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

Being a Vermont Senator means that Sanders was going to tack towards looser gun control than if he'd been the senator of another state with more documented gun violence.

Also, Sander's record combined with him running as a Democrat messes with the minds of gun supporters (I don't like the use of the term 'gun nut' in the article):

[http://www.salon.com/2015/07/09/bernie_sanders_has_a_troubled_record_on_gun_control%C2%A0but_the_nra_still_hates_him//

By Fenderputty Go To PostSpeaking of BLM,

This was just posted on GAF and it's fantastic ..

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

Another thing about BLM, is that many people don't realize that its not just a simple hashtag but a funded organization. Just sloppy and manipulative.

By Fenderputty Go To PostSpeaking of BLM,

This was just posted on GAF and it's fantastic ..

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

thanks for that link. It was really informative.

Trump: Jeb's fundraising haul is 'honestly the only thing he has. Without that, he's got nothing. Zero.'

Okay, that one was good.

Trump is an enigma in so many way. Not just his politics but how he's gotten so popular on the right while saying stuff like this.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-26/donald-trump-says-he-wants-to-raise-taxes-on-himself

i didnt realize benji was some libertarian ultrapositivist

and i liked him too

By Red Blaster Go To Posti didnt realize benji was some libertarian ultrapositivist

and i liked him too

Hes one of my favorite posters. Him and metaphoreus add some much needed push back to the echo chamber of poligaf. They're both super knowledgable and bring fun levels of snark. I differ from them both pretty massively as well.

Christie says, if elected, he'll tap FedEx's Fred Smith for a 3-month gig to teach how to track immigrants w same efficiency as packages.

Hillary doesn't need to break out comments like "boxcars" when the GOP guys are out to hang themselves. Everybody's suicidal and they don't even need your help, Hilldawg.

Wendy Davis is a terrible person and I"m glad she's going to jail. I hope she goes the long haul on her quest for martyrdom and stays her entire term in jail.

Wendy Davis is going to jail?

By Fenderputty Go To PostWendy Davis is a terrible person and I"m glad she's going to jail. I hope she goes the long haul on her quest for martyrdom and stays her entire term in jail.

I think you mean Kim Davis bruv. Wendy Davis is a great person.

Yes ... yes that's what I meant.

Kim "3 divorces" Davis is what I've been calling her.

She's born again though so ...

So the most obnoxious kind.

Her private life should stay private even though she's a terrible person. She's against the separation of church and state and against basic human rights. We didn't need to point out her hypocrisy by bringing up her private life I think.

By db Go To PostSo the most obnoxious kind.

Says the man clearly on a one way ticket to hell.

By IWMTB19 Go To PostHer private life should stay private even though she's a terrible person. She's against the separation of church and state and against basic human rights. We didn't need to point out her hypocrisy by bringing up her private life I think.

Disagree here. People lives shouldn't be scrutinized until they try and pull this type of shit. She's actively ignoring the SCOTUS and per the fox new article, knew this was coming but stayed because God wouldn't be able to speak through her if she didn't. She's trying to be a martyr for this cause, all while doing way more to cheapen the "concept of marriage" than most anyone ever will. I don't give a shit if she think being "born again" absolves her of this hypocrisy either. Shes entering the political strata as a wedge on the right currently too. If she didn't want scrutiny she shouldn't try and become a martyr.

By IWMTB19 Go To PostHer private life should stay private even though she's a terrible person. She's against the separation of church and state and against basic human rights. We didn't need to point out her hypocrisy by bringing up her private life I think.

I think all options should be on the table when dealing with the far right.

By IWMTB19 Go To PostHer private life should stay private even though she's a terrible person. She's against the separation of church and state and against basic human rights. We didn't need to point out her hypocrisy by bringing up her private life I think.

I look at it as a way to ruin her credibility, since it calls into question her other religious beliefs. But yeah, I agree it's not a big deal to me - she's wrong regardless of other details.

Man, do I fucking hate Carly Fiorina and the rest of the GOP:

"But-but-but, if we let in dying children from Syria, we might let in the terries!"

How do these people walk around in the day if they're living in a state of perpetual fear this strong? Islamic terrorists aren't going to get us.

By IWMTB19 Go To PostHow do these people walk around in the day if they're living in a state of perpetual fear this strong? Islamic terrorists aren't going to get us.

Nationals can become "terrorists", they don't need to be immigrants. See Anders Breivik or Charlie Hebdo.

By IWMTB19 Go To PostMan, do I fucking hate Carly Fiorina and the rest of the GOP:

"But-but-but, if we let in dying children from Syria, we might let in the terries!"

How do these people walk around in the day if they're living in a state of perpetual fear this strong? Islamic terrorists aren't going to get us.

Other than Germany, not many western countries can say they've done much of anything., Sad.

Terror attack on Planned Parenthood last Friday.

Words written about it in WSJ: 0
In National Review: 0

The "respectable" right has zero courage right now. Admit that people on your side do things like this.

By IWMTB19 Go To PostTerror attack on Planned Parenthood last Friday.

Words written about it in WSJ: 0
In National Review: 0

The "respectable" right has zero courage right now. Admit that people on your side do things like this.

That's putting it mildly. Right wing terrorists are the single most violent terrorist organizations since 9/11. There was a CNN article tallying the deaths done on US soil by Islamic terrorism vs right wing terrorism. It's not even close.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/bergen-sterman-kansas-shooting/

By Vahagn Go To PostThat's putting it mildly. Right wing terrorists are the single most violent terrorist organizations since 9/11. There was a CNN article tallying the deaths done on US soil by Islamic terrorism vs right wing terrorism. It's not even close.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/bergen-sterman-kansas-shooting/

FEAR ISIS! FEAR IRAN!

regarding campaign zero, this is the first thing I saw when I clicked on it:

The following activities do not threaten public safety and are often used to police black bodies. Decriminalize these activities or de-prioritize their enforcement:

Consumption of Alcohol on Streets
Marijuana Possession
Disorderly Conduct
Trespassing
Loitering
Disturbing the Peace (including Loud Music)
Spitting

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

come on

By Dark PhaZe Go To Postregarding campaign zero, this is the first thing I saw when I clicked on it:


ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

come on

Possession of marijuana should be legalized. I would imagine petty shit like spitting, loitering and disturbing the peace are used as tools to check on "shady" looking individuals. Legal profiling.

Being shitfaced in the streets and trespassing are definitely stretches though.

Someone wearing a #BlackLivesMatter shirt to a high school event honoring the slain cop got sent home:

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/student-sent-home-for-wearing-blacklivesmatter-shirt-with-list-of-people-killed-by-police-7747458

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fuck off with that loud music bullshit. If you're blasting "Uptown Funk" at 2am in the morning out your car speakers I'm calling the cops on your ass.

i've never lived in a bad neighborhood where I wasn't praying for the cops to park on the corner just to prevent a good chunk of the stuff listed above--shit, most thugs get their rocks off trolling via those methods and then turn the goon on when you decide you've had enough of it

So Mike Huckabee thinks that Dred Scott is still the law of the land.

I can't tell whether he's a racist bigot or whether he's just willfully ignorant of the country and constitution he claims to love so much. But, I'm thinking its a little of column A and a little of column B

By Vahagn Go To PostSo Mike Huckabee thinks that Dred Scott is still the law of the land.

I can't tell whether he's a racist bigot or whether he's just willfully ignorant of the country and constitution he claims to love so much. But, I'm thinking its a little of column A and a little of column B

Unlike Cruz, whom I think is a super intelligent cynical prick that understands the implications of what he says and does, I think Huckabee might genuinely be just fucking whacked out.

By Fenderputty Go To PostUnlike Cruz, whom I think is a super intelligent cynical prick that understands the implications of what he says and does, I think Huckabee might genuinely be just fucking whacked out.

I often wonder if smart cynics like Cruz are more or less dangerous than true believers. It's kind of an interesting comparison...

Ben Carson says that taking in Syrian refugees is being too "politically correct."

Jeremy Corbyn likes Hamas and Russia.

I'm not sure why wackjobs are so popular in the West right now?

By IWMTB19 Go To PostJeremy Corbyn likes Hamas and Russia.

I'm not sure why wackjobs are so popular in the West right now?

So, what is it like, having a brain that works like an echo chamber for cold war type red-baiting?

Corbyn said two things on these issues, that the so-called West has a responsibility in the degradation of foreign relations, and that you won't make peace in Israel and Palestine if you don't talk to everyone.

Of course, that sounds like craziness for people who like Netanyahu more because he wears a suit, and who believe every US military intervention is peace in the making.

I suspect, and this is just my theory, that Huckabee is attempting to troll the Supreme Court. "If Obergefell v Hodges is 'the law of the land', then so is the Dred Scott decision. Take that, liberals!" Of course, he's demonstrating a total lack of understanding of what the Supreme Court does and how decisions work.

Corbyn believes in homeopathy he's a fucking idiot and might actually be crazy.

By Forever Go To PostCorbyn believes in homeopathy he's a fucking idiot and might actually be crazy.

Once again, emphatic cold war words, 5 years ago, he tweeted that he supported the NHS paying for homeopathy, which is not the same thing at all.

And it's anecdotal as shit.

I know homeopathy is BS, I'm very much against it and I believe something should be done about companies lying about health (and interestingly, the free market ideologists that hate Corbyn won't support that)... but you could also call for a law revoking the licence of doctors who prescribe homeopathy, as there are thousands upon thousands of those. Why don't you since it is so important?

Do you realize the violence of the smear campaign against the growth of Left-wing radicals in the past few years? What have they done to deserve that, write a tweet about homeopathy on some random sunday afternoon back when you were in high school, or did they back policies that favored the wealthiest, or lead illegal wars?

I know which side the crazy is full on. And I know what I, and Corbyn supporters, care about.

That smear campaign will go nowhere, it might convince a fringe of the population (white male petty-bourgeois on the internet who think rationality is being middle-of-the-road every time, even in the face of worldwide violence and extreme poverty), but there is a reason why class struggle and social movements will eventually make a come-back.

Because millions knew and remember that Blair and Bush were war criminals, protested against it, and the Labour Party had to be taken from the hands of the centrists that stole it.

Complain about a fucking tweet about homeopathy, I'll care about the shitshow that is Iraq today and which nice responsible sane men made it what it is. I'll care about the fate of poor people, and how the establishment does not give a shit about it. This is what the election of Corbyn is about.

By Gabyskra Go To PostOnce again, emphatic cold war words, 5 years ago, he tweeted that he supported the NHS paying for homeopathy, which is not the same thing at all.

1. Cold War? The fuck? Did the Soviets believe in homeopathy? Explains why they collapsed.

2. The NHS paying for homeopathy is an off the scales fucking stupid idea. Defend that dumb shit more brehs.

By Gabyskra Go To PostDo you realize the violence of the smear campaign against the growth of Left-wing radicals in the past few years?

Radicals tend to be bad at governing. How did that work out in Greece?

Cold war words because you're clinging onto red-baiting, associating anti-capitalism with craziness, which is a very loud and somewhat charming old-school declaration, but won't do much convincing when struggles of poor people do get going.

Radicals did not create the debt in Greece at all, but what's a fact in the face of hate or fear?

I'm sure the next anti-war movement will just shake in its boots at the thought of the mainstream media reminding people that Corbyn once defended homeopathy on twitter years ago. Because that's what truly matters.

By Gabyskra Go To PostCold war words because you're clinging onto red-baiting, associating anti-capitalism with craziness, which is a very loud and somewhat charming old-school declaration, but won't do much convincing when struggles of poor people do get going.

lmao

I'm associating homeopathy with craziness because homeopathy IS crazy. If you'll fall for that shit then you'll fall for pretty much any quackery; that's not an attractive trait in a world leader.

By Gabyskra Go To PostRadicals did not create the debt in Greece at all, but what's a fact in the face of hate or fear?

Was the deal Tsipras ended up with better or worse than the one that more reasonable parties were willing to accept earlier?

By Gabyskra Go To PostI'm sure the next anti-war movement will just shake in its boots at the thought of the mainstream media reminding people that Corbyn once defended homeopathy on twitter years ago. Because that's what truly matters.

Obama just prevented war with Iran and he did it without foaming at the mouth and promoting Chinese medicine. Corbyn will never see the reigns of power and will end up accomplishing jack shit. You tell me which approach mattered more in the end.

Pretty sure that being pro-Russia, pro-Hamas and pro-homeopathy do make you a weird fucking dude, yeah.

I haven't mentioned Corbyn's economic opinions at all, lol.

By Forever Go To Postlmao

I'm associating homeopathy with craziness because homeopathy IS crazy.

No more than believing that one man 2000 years ago did some magic tricks, yet believing in him is required fare for American presidents. We don't hear you complain too much about that, over scientific rigor.

Do you believe Tsipras made the situation better or worse for the Greek people?

Was the deal he ended up with better or worse than the one that more reasonable parties were willing to accept earlier?

It would require too long an effort to debate Tsipras here, because our preoccupations are not the same.
But I can tell you don't know what you are talking about, since you won't be concerned one bit about facts, if the greek economy was growing much faster than inflation before 2008. You won't blame finance for what happened in 2008, and realize Greece is in this situation also because of the crash. You won't blame the 5 or 6 "reasonable" governments that preceded and did everything the Troika wanted, thus making the debt worse. To you the economy is a matter of saving pennies, as if managing a household. It's not. If you cut spending, you slow down the economy. That's what's been happening.

And btw, the deal is pretty much the same. Did you read it the document that made the rounds? I did, it's a shameful gutting of their public services, and the death of democracy. Bureaucrats decide of everything, and the deal is not made for the debt to be erased, since it makes impossible for the Greek economy to pick itself back up, the same way that every European economy is struggling. Austerity does not work. That's what "reasonable parties" are still calling for, with little regard for empirical evidence that it does not work. Neither do they care about history (how did Germany erase 200%GDP levels of debt from the 1950s? Taxes on the wealthy, spending, etc. What do "reasonable people" want to do? the contrary).

Oh yeah, and I'll add "lmao" somewhere because that adds to my rhetorical ability.

lmao

Corbyn is not pro-Russia, nor is he pro-Hamas. Typical binary thinking. If you're not for Netanyahu, you're a terrorist.
"Pro-Russia, pro-Hamas" you sound like fox news. Life is more complex than such injonctions.

Gabyskra, I've got some powdered elephant tusk to sell you. I hear it defeats Capitalism and prevents wars.