Porzingis is going to be a garbage-time hero, and if his defense actually improves during the season... he might sniff 15 minutes before January.
So interestingly enough, Porzingis weighed 209lbs this past winter. He's 233lbs now. I wonder if he's capable of putting on another 20lbs before the season starts.
Shved refused a minimum offer from the Knicks, and his agent says it's unlikely he'll be back with the team. They want the 2.8M exception the Knicks have but they are not offering it.
I like Shved, but if that means the Knicks offer 2.8M to someone like Seraphin for more inside help, I'm all for it.
I like Shved, but if that means the Knicks offer 2.8M to someone like Seraphin for more inside help, I'm all for it.
Melo practicing around. And not missing a single shot for a minute and a half.
https://www.facebook.com/CarmeloAnthony/videos/vb.308496539234273/843615242389064/?type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/CarmeloAnthony/videos/vb.308496539234273/843615242389064/?type=2&theater
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostMelo practicing around. And not missing a single shot for a minute and a half.
That's pretty standard. I once saw Dante Calabria make 50 straight 3s. Not sure even NC fans remember him.
No. 3: Anthony a fan of Knicks’ offseason, denies talk he didn’t want Porzingis — A glance at how the New York Knicks fared in free agency shows they made several moves, but none of them were for a blockbuster free-agent name. Although the Knicks tried to land a big fish, that goal eluded them once again and, instead, recovered with a series of smaller moves. Star forward Carmelo Anthony, speaking at Team USA mini-camp in Las Vegas, says he had no problem with that strategy and insists that talk he didn’t want New York to draft forward Kristaps Porzingis is off base.
ESPNNewYork.com has more:
“Honestly, I thought we did a great job just as far as putting the pieces that we need to put together,” Anthony said Tuesday at the Team USA minicamp in Las Vegas. “We didn’t get DeAndre [Jordan], we didn’t get LaMarcus [Aldridge] and Greg Monroe, but [Robin] Lopez is a great addition. Arron Afflalo, I played with him a long time in Denver. [Kyle] O’Quinn is a great pickup; I think guys will like him. He’s a big guy, power forward. Derrick Williams, we’re going to get him right. He seemed focused. And then rookies, KP [Porzingis], I had him with me last week working out at my gym. We’re just trying to start this thing off right.”
Asked about reports that he had reservations about the Knicks’ free-agent pickups and their decision to draft Porzingis, Anthony replied, “I never said that s—. Whatever rumors that you guys heard about me or about Phil [Jackson], about Porzingis, about anybody — it’s all false.”
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On Tuesday, Anthony acknowledged that he would have liked the Knicks to add a star player this summer.
“You always want the top guys that’s out there. That’s anybody, not just myself … but I feel good about the pieces that we’ve got,” he said.
Anthony also had high praise for Porzingis, the 19-year-old Latvian big man drafted by New York with the fourth overall pick.
“He’s a down-to-earth guy, a humble guy,” Anthony said. “You can tell that he’s got a chip on his shoulder, which I love that. … You kind of have to have that being in New York.”
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Anthony, 31, was asked about the notion that, by drafting Porzingis, the Knicks showed they are no longer building a team that will be ready to win while he is in his prime.
“When you look at the draft, you want somebody that you can develop right away. Porzingis is a guy who has some upside to him. Did we get one of the top three [draft picks]? No, we didn’t get one of the top three. Whoever we drafted, it was going to be an issue anyway,” Anthony said. “That’s just what happens in New York and the draft. But I’m good, man, mentally, physically, spiritually. I’m excited about the new team that we have and I look forward to leading them.”
Anthony added that he was “bothered” by reports that he was unhappy with the Knicks’ offseason.
“You know [why] I’m bothered about that? Because I haven’t said none of that. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation,” said Anthony, who is entering the second year of a five-year, $124 million contract. “I try to use the summer time to myself, get away from the media. Let you guys have your time … but then someway, somehow it always come back to me. I expect that. I don’t get mad at that.”
ESPNNewYork.com has more:
“Honestly, I thought we did a great job just as far as putting the pieces that we need to put together,” Anthony said Tuesday at the Team USA minicamp in Las Vegas. “We didn’t get DeAndre [Jordan], we didn’t get LaMarcus [Aldridge] and Greg Monroe, but [Robin] Lopez is a great addition. Arron Afflalo, I played with him a long time in Denver. [Kyle] O’Quinn is a great pickup; I think guys will like him. He’s a big guy, power forward. Derrick Williams, we’re going to get him right. He seemed focused. And then rookies, KP [Porzingis], I had him with me last week working out at my gym. We’re just trying to start this thing off right.”
Asked about reports that he had reservations about the Knicks’ free-agent pickups and their decision to draft Porzingis, Anthony replied, “I never said that s—. Whatever rumors that you guys heard about me or about Phil [Jackson], about Porzingis, about anybody — it’s all false.”
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On Tuesday, Anthony acknowledged that he would have liked the Knicks to add a star player this summer.
“You always want the top guys that’s out there. That’s anybody, not just myself … but I feel good about the pieces that we’ve got,” he said.
Anthony also had high praise for Porzingis, the 19-year-old Latvian big man drafted by New York with the fourth overall pick.
“He’s a down-to-earth guy, a humble guy,” Anthony said. “You can tell that he’s got a chip on his shoulder, which I love that. … You kind of have to have that being in New York.”
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Anthony, 31, was asked about the notion that, by drafting Porzingis, the Knicks showed they are no longer building a team that will be ready to win while he is in his prime.
“When you look at the draft, you want somebody that you can develop right away. Porzingis is a guy who has some upside to him. Did we get one of the top three [draft picks]? No, we didn’t get one of the top three. Whoever we drafted, it was going to be an issue anyway,” Anthony said. “That’s just what happens in New York and the draft. But I’m good, man, mentally, physically, spiritually. I’m excited about the new team that we have and I look forward to leading them.”
Anthony added that he was “bothered” by reports that he was unhappy with the Knicks’ offseason.
“You know [why] I’m bothered about that? Because I haven’t said none of that. That’s why I’m bothered. It’s always speculation,” said Anthony, who is entering the second year of a five-year, $124 million contract. “I try to use the summer time to myself, get away from the media. Let you guys have your time … but then someway, somehow it always come back to me. I expect that. I don’t get mad at that.”
Okay so the Knicks team schedule is out. They have the fewest back to backs of the season and playing against teams with the most back to backs. That's a huge advantage. And the schedule itself is pretty damn weak...apart from the Cavs and Spurs, the first handful of games are all winnable games for the Knicks.
The first month of games, in fact, should be a fair match for them and I could see them above .500 with ease. Again, apart from the Spurs, Cavs, Rox, Thunder, and maybe even against the Pels. Those first 18 games will be interesting.
The first month of games, in fact, should be a fair match for them and I could see them above .500 with ease. Again, apart from the Spurs, Cavs, Rox, Thunder, and maybe even against the Pels. Those first 18 games will be interesting.
Yeah, they had tons of 4-in-5s in the past 2 years that really pissed me off. This one looks like a traditional schedule from the 90s, virtually every other day with some exceptions being 2-3 days off.
To me the question isn't "how hard is the sched", it's "Are the Knicks good enough where we can worry about schedules affecting them?"
You know when u suck schedule means nothing.
You know when u suck schedule means nothing.
I don' think they will suck. Phil hasm't overlooked a particular team need (besides secondary scoring) where they should be as fucked as they were last season. If Melo is healthy I think they should compete for and eventually secure a playoff spot. Yeah teams will double & even triple team Melo, but the knicks might have enough depth to counter that.
Hopefully
Hopefully
Hopefully, indeed.
There are a number of guys on this squad you won't want to leave open. Lopez and Afflalo being two of them.
There are a number of guys on this squad you won't want to leave open. Lopez and Afflalo being two of them.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostThere are a number of guys on this squad you won't want to leave open. Lopez and Afflalo being two of them.
???
Are you confusing Robin and Brook?
Holy shit, you are, that explains so much about what you've been saying! :D
Dude...
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/862/robin-lopez/
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/945/brook-lopez/shotchart/
Rolo is great pick-and-roll guy and you can even post him up a few nights a game, but he's not a sever offensive threat. He's just dangerous enough, but you'd rather have him beat you than Carmelo.
He's 31 out of 80 for shots outside the paint. He barely takes any shot. You're talking about a guy who's not even part of the 20 best centers in terms of PPG, and has never been... Don't act like this will be an offensive strength for the Knicks...
Afflalo is always around 20 for his position, getting 13ppg on 42/35 (and the Blazers surrounded him with much better and more balanced shooting overall)... that's not a strength either.
Afflalo is always around 20 for his position, getting 13ppg on 42/35 (and the Blazers surrounded him with much better and more balanced shooting overall)... that's not a strength either.
If you were to rank the starters relative to their respective positions in the League, taking everything into account not just offense, what kind of range would we be talking?
Calderon 25/30 (there's gotta be 25 PGs better than him)
Afflalo 15/20
Melo 3/6
O'Quinn 25/30
Lopez 15/20
and the bench is not crazy good
Let's be real. They have a shot at the playoffs, and I hope for it, but they're outsiders.
Calderon 25/30 (there's gotta be 25 PGs better than him)
Afflalo 15/20
Melo 3/6
O'Quinn 25/30
Lopez 15/20
and the bench is not crazy good
Let's be real. They have a shot at the playoffs, and I hope for it, but they're outsiders.
I'm not confusing shit, please cool yourself. Who said just because Lopez is open he has to shoot if he's outside the paint? He wouldn't be put into a position to even be outside the paint to begin with. He knows his strengths and so does the team. So what are you even talking about?
Also, wipe the smugness off a little bit, Gaby. It's getting a little old.
Also, wipe the smugness off a little bit, Gaby. It's getting a little old.
Alright, that's fair, it can be cooler. I don't get why you would consider these 2 to be offensive assets, that's what I'm saying. Yeah they're not Jeffries, but they're offensive liabilities, and Melo will not elevate their game. Lopez makes a shot outside the paint every two games, so he can be "left open" as much as possible... there's no "leaving open" a seven footer in the paint, so it's irrelevant...
The scenario is if Melo is double teamed, he's drawing attention towards himself. If he's playing the 4, he could be drawing attention from either another center (leaving Lopez open for an easy layup, bucket, or bankshot) or possibly drawing a 2-3 and leaving a guy like Afflalo open around the wing somewhere for either a shot or if the spacing is right, a drive in layup.
I think a lot of people are getting too hung up on arguing hypotheticals, lately. Making it seem like others are stating it as a matter of fact. I'm not. I'm just enjoying a little discussion. Rolo is a perfectly fine offensive player who did a lot for the Blazers in his 2 years there. Neither him or Afflack are offensive liabilities. That's just crazy talk. Derrick Williams is an offensive liability coming off of multiple streaky seasons. JR Smith is an offensive liability because he's JR Smith. Josh Smith too.
But a player who is 53% from the field and 80% on the line, and another who is 46% and 82% from the line are hardly a liability.
I think a lot of people are getting too hung up on arguing hypotheticals, lately. Making it seem like others are stating it as a matter of fact. I'm not. I'm just enjoying a little discussion. Rolo is a perfectly fine offensive player who did a lot for the Blazers in his 2 years there. Neither him or Afflack are offensive liabilities. That's just crazy talk. Derrick Williams is an offensive liability coming off of multiple streaky seasons. JR Smith is an offensive liability because he's JR Smith. Josh Smith too.
But a player who is 53% from the field and 80% on the line, and another who is 46% and 82% from the line are hardly a liability.
I think we aren't giving enough credit to the system of ball they play. This is a system that elevated Andrea Bargnani and fucking Alexey Shved (though he had an insane usage rate) If Carmleo gets doubled assuming they are running Triangle concepts it gives the Knicks easy outs of the double. Also, assuming people are cutting like they're supposed to it shouldn't really be easy to double Carmelo.
The big issue is if you don't have a lot of shooting, how do you score your non-Carmelo points? Defense? Transition
The big issue is if you don't have a lot of shooting, how do you score your non-Carmelo points? Defense? Transition
Phil & Fish were smart to have Fish teach the basics to the summerleague squad. O'Quinn and Afflalo might have a hard time with it, I expect RoLo to pick it up relatively quickly.
While the triangle does give your team a unique look for your opponents, there were always guys who couldn't or wouldn't run the triangle even under Phil fucking Jackson.
While the triangle does give your team a unique look for your opponents, there were always guys who couldn't or wouldn't run the triangle even under Phil fucking Jackson.
By reilo Go To PostThe same system that elevated your team to the second worst record in the league?
You can't teach basketball to streetballers, egomaniacs, and murderers, though. That roster last year was NOT even capable of kicking old habits. PJ said that the first thing the team needed to do was get rid of old habits, not adjust to a new style of play. They literally couldn't do that shit, and so the team was blown up. SImple as that. That's when we brought in half of the D-league and somehow some of those dudes managed to actually show some mildly coherent skills and ability to run a play.
By Moris Go To PostPhil & Fish were smart to have Fish teach the basics to the summerleague squad. O'Quinn and Afflalo might have a hard time with it, I expect RoLo to pick it up relatively quickly.
While the triangle does give your team a unique look for your opponents, there were always guys who couldn't or wouldn't run the triangle even under Phil fucking Jackson.
I think one of the things seemingly everyone forgets is that triangle is not going to be the only thing this team will have in its plays. Phil went on record to say that Fisher has incorporated a lot of other plays that are not based on triangle formations. That they have a lot of ISO opportunities tailored for Melo. A lot of PNRs. Even some quick and easy lob plays. The triangle is a crucial piece, but it's just that - just a piece to a large puzzle.
If anything, it's actually defense that Phil has been hammering in on the most. Every interview he'll talk about defense multiple times and sometimes barely touches on the triangle. He said he watches practices and singles out certain players and then tells them what they did wrong, when, why, how, etc.
There are pick and rolls in the triangle and lob sets as well.
Not to say the team won't just run high PnR 20 times a game, they will.
Afflalo should get the triangle fast, from everything I've read he's already studied it. The problem isn't memorizing the sets, as an NBA player who's had to defend the lakers in the last 10 years knows what's coming, the problem is being quick enough on your feet (mentally of course) to make the right decisions. That's the kind of stuff Artest and Radmanovic and JR struggled with.
Not to say the team won't just run high PnR 20 times a game, they will.
Afflalo should get the triangle fast, from everything I've read he's already studied it. The problem isn't memorizing the sets, as an NBA player who's had to defend the lakers in the last 10 years knows what's coming, the problem is being quick enough on your feet (mentally of course) to make the right decisions. That's the kind of stuff Artest and Radmanovic and JR struggled with.
RoLo will do well because he's smart and a willing and good passer out of the high post, plus he sets great screens.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostI think one of the things seemingly everyone forgets is that triangle is not going to be the only thing this team will have in its plays. Phil went on record to say that Fisher has incorporated a lot of other plays that are not based on triangle formations. That they have a lot of ISO opportunities tailored for Melo. A lot of PNRs. Even some quick and easy lob plays. The triangle is a crucial piece, but it's just that - just a piece to a large puzzle.
If anything, it's actually defense that Phil has been hammering in on the most. Every interview he'll talk about defense multiple times and sometimes barely touches on the triangle. He said he watches practices and singles out certain players and then tells them what they did wrong, when, why, how, etc.
Nah didn't forget that, Kobe notoriously broke the triangle with ISO plays and calls for screens without set plays. Not many players can do that without getting sent to the bench, Melo will get his chances to do what he wants on offense on occasion, but the role players are gonna have to play their roles which can be difficult in the triangle.
There will be overachievers in the triangle and guys who just can't/won't hack it.
i still find it hilarious how knicks ot has more non-knicks fans lol
should just rename the thread to Alpha vs SLAENT (feat Vahagn praising Phil and probably shitting on D'Antoni)
should just rename the thread to Alpha vs SLAENT (feat Vahagn praising Phil and probably shitting on D'Antoni)
Nah, frankman, Zeus, masud, h3ro, me...
But you don't have to like everything your team does, this is not a religion...
But you don't have to like everything your team does, this is not a religion...
By reilo Go To PostRoLo will do well because he's smart and a willing and good passer out of the high post, plus he sets great screens.
Have I had a chance to thank you for giving him to us and developing him for us?
Thanks, bud.
By Moris Go To PostNah didn't forget that, Kobe notoriously broke the triangle with ISO plays and calls for screens without set plays. Not many players can do that without getting sent to the bench, Melo will get his chances to do what he wants on offense on occasion, but the role players are gonna have to play their roles which can be difficult in the triangle.
There will be overachievers in the triangle and guys who just can't/won't hack it.
Yeah exactly. I wasn't insinuating that you were forgetting that btw. I was just adding to your points about how Phil and Fisher operate.
Hopefully those who can't hack it will be disposed of quick. Phil didn't make any crazy commitments to players he can't get rid of in a year or so. And yeah, the Kobe and Melo analogy are precisely perfect. If Melo just adds a little extra hop to his step, he will have leverage over Kobe's game during his championship reign and not break plays, as you stated. He can still isolate, but playing off the ball just a little bit will give him that edge he's needed for years.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostHave I had a chance to thank you for giving him to us and developing him for us?
He played 5 seasons before playing for the Blazers...
Phoenix are a clownshoes organization with clownshoes staff. Who cares about them and his time there? He improved a little bit during his year with the Hornets, but there is no question it was the Blazers and their development staff that brought the best out of him to the point people started mentioning RoLo and BroLo in the same sentence. Before people didn't even know about Robin.
Phil discusses all of this off-season's new acquisitions (excluding rookies).
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13418999/the-phil-files-part-9-new-beginning
Interesting words about Derrick Williams.
But it also looks like Arron will be a starting player. And O'Quinn will be backing up RoLo.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13418999/the-phil-files-part-9-new-beginning
Interesting words about Derrick Williams.
But it also looks like Arron will be a starting player. And O'Quinn will be backing up RoLo.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostBut it also looks like Arron will be a starting player. And O'Quinn will be backing up RoLo.
Well, who else at SG? Not his decision to make but the roster is built in a way that Fisher has no choice.
And it does not say that about O'Quinn. He'll play minutes at PF and C, is all.
By Gabyskra Go To PostWell, who else at SG? Not his decision to make but the roster is built in a way that Fisher has no choice.
And it does not say that about O'Quinn. He'll play minutes at PF and C, is all.
Ummm...it says EXACTLY that. Do you even read before you feel like quoting and arguing with someone for the sake of arguing?
With us, he has a chance to play power forward and/or back up Robin at center."
Phil specifically says when he plays center he will back up Robin Lopez. Not that he will simply get minutes at both positions. But that if he does play both positions, he will back up Lopez.
I'm sorry man, but that's just not what it means.
The way you worded made it sound like he was going to be the back-up C (which surprised me so i looked at the link for confirmation), when he could very well be higher up in the rotation, say start at PF. Which is a Fisher decision. In the sentence Phil said, him backing up at C is actually the least likely option if you understand "and/or".
Do you see the difference between:
- he'll be the backup C (which is what you said)
- he'll get minutes at PF and maybe C backing up Lopez.
Phil is just saying he's versatile. He says Seraphin will be part of the rotation too.
For all we know, Fisher might have not decided yet if Melo will start at the 4 or not.
The way you worded made it sound like he was going to be the back-up C (which surprised me so i looked at the link for confirmation), when he could very well be higher up in the rotation, say start at PF. Which is a Fisher decision. In the sentence Phil said, him backing up at C is actually the least likely option if you understand "and/or".
Do you see the difference between:
- he'll be the backup C (which is what you said)
- he'll get minutes at PF and maybe C backing up Lopez.
Phil is just saying he's versatile. He says Seraphin will be part of the rotation too.
For all we know, Fisher might have not decided yet if Melo will start at the 4 or not.
You're implying and assuming that when I said he'd be backing up Lopez that I meant he'd be exclusively the back-up center and that he'd be doing it all the time.
That was your mistake and assumption, not mine.
That was your mistake and assumption, not mine.
Can't we all just get along and argue that people have Knicks being just 8 games better than last year? I don't even...
Phil's going hands-on at practices this weekend.
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/10/11/9498621/arron-afflalo-kevin-seraphin-could-be-back-by-next-weekend-and-other
Was on the court talking to players directly as they shot around and practiced.
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/10/11/9498621/arron-afflalo-kevin-seraphin-could-be-back-by-next-weekend-and-other
Was on the court talking to players directly as they shot around and practiced.
I really like this team and I'm a little disappointed in myself I didn't recognize Phil was putting shooters around Melo.
Insisting Calderon start, drafting a 7 footer with 3 point range, signing Afflalo and Sasha......All the signs of his plan were there. I got so caught up in the triangle I didn't peep the personnel
I did see the bench being more likely to push the ball but I didn't think they would look that precise at doing it this early. I got to give a lot of credit the knicks spent a lot of the summer practicing together and it shows.
Insisting Calderon start, drafting a 7 footer with 3 point range, signing Afflalo and Sasha......All the signs of his plan were there. I got so caught up in the triangle I didn't peep the personnel
I did see the bench being more likely to push the ball but I didn't think they would look that precise at doing it this early. I got to give a lot of credit the knicks spent a lot of the summer practicing together and it shows.
By blackace Go To PostPorzingis is hurt again?
Quad strain they say he should play against Boston
I can't wait until the analytics crowd claims credit for the Knicks eventual improvement.
Like they did with the Heat, SAS, and now the Warriors.
Gasp - you mean to tell me that Pat Riley, Greg Popovich, Jerry West, and soon Phil Jackson know what the fuck they're doing? Must be because of some hotshot no-name no-face 32 year old analytics guy getting the team coffee every morning.
Like they did with the Heat, SAS, and now the Warriors.
Gasp - you mean to tell me that Pat Riley, Greg Popovich, Jerry West, and soon Phil Jackson know what the fuck they're doing? Must be because of some hotshot no-name no-face 32 year old analytics guy getting the team coffee every morning.