By Jonm Go To PostJust playing a bit of devils advocate, because that would be a great return in theory, but isn't Washington and Phoenix getting pretty screwed here? I feel like at a minimum some first rounders need to shuffle around. IDK, maybe not.
Wizards make out like bandits. That's an insane haul for Beal. Phoenix drops down a round in the draft for an immediate talent upgrade.
This deal is absolute horseshit for the Lakers, with 3 teams basically plundering them.
By Doomsayer Go To PostPhoenix gets a PG and gets rid of Josh Jackson, I'd say they make out okay. The Wizards get the rough end of it though. Not even getting a pick back for Beal is bad. Also not sure how Stephenson factors in because he isn't under contract?I think Stephenson was a thing that had to happen for salary reasons if the trade was made prior to the draft.
Shrug.
e: yeah
I think Josh Jackson only would need to be included if it's before the draft, after the Lakers can just trade Lonzo to Phoenix without matching salary. It would also mean no Lance to Washington which would be better for them. In that case I figure Josh Hart would go to NO.
Horncats news
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist underwent surgery on Tuesday to address a chronic groin strain.
MKG missed games last season due to a concussion, sprained ankle and hamstring injury, but this is the first we're hearing of a groin issue. He's expected to make a full recovery and be ready in time for training camp, so it sounds like this was a relatively minor procedure. He's not really relevant in fantasy hoops, though.
Marvin Williams has exercised his $15 million player option for the 2019-2020 season.
No surprise here, as Williams had already confirmed during his exit interview back in April that he intended to pick up his option. It was a no-brainer for Williams, as there was no way he'd see anything close to $15 million in annual salary as a free agent.
By Kabro Go To PostEveryone's favorite barber dropping hints again…is this bron's barber?
or kyrie's friend?
By Uncle Dennis Go To Postis this bron's barber?I believe he's the guy who leaked the PG free agency decision
or kyrie's friend?
By Stern Go To PostWizards make out like bandits. That's an insane haul for Beal. Phoenix drops down a round in the draft for an immediate talent upgrade.
This deal is absolute horseshit for the Lakers, with 3 teams basically plundering them.
Lol
By jjasper Go To PostPretty sure he is the Bucks hold-me-back coach
Fair enough. I can't tell if you're happy or not.
By Adam Go To PostFair enough. I can't tell if you're happy or not.From the Bud school of let's make a good regular season team
By blackace Go To PostOne plays a position you need and the other is redundant on your rosterLonzo isn't the answer.
By reilo Go To PostThe bars that low now huhMy thoughts
By Doomsayer Go To PostPhoenix gets a PG and gets rid of Josh Jackson, I'd say they make out okay. The Wizards get the rough end of it though. Not even getting a pick back for Beal is bad. Also not sure how Stephenson factors in because he isn't under contract?Phoenix give up a pick to get a PG that barely started on his own team and is constantly injured, denying them the opportunity to use that pick to get back an actual starter.
Shrug.
It's pretty bad for PHX.
Ok would be the suns straight up swapping Lonzo for Jackson. Same draft, 2 spots apart.
By giririsss Go To PostLonzo isn't the answer.Doesn't have to be the answer just useful until you find the answer...
By blackace Go To PostDoesn't have to be the answer just useful until you find the answer…And usefulness there is a key word. His usefulness is highly questionable particularly with the negatives that he brings off the court.
He barely ran point on his own team, and that's when he wasn't injured. He's been injured for 50% of his career so far. That inconsistency is a huge hit on a team that yearns for consistency.
By giririsss Go To PostAnd usefulness there is a key word. His usefulness is highly questionable particularly with the negatives that he brings off the court.Josh Jackson is so horrible that trading him for almost anything would be a plus. But getting a PG for worst-case 50 to 60% games who can actually pass the ball into the post so Ayton can develop would be a super win for the Suns and Monty
He barely ran point on his own team, and that's when he wasn't injured. He's been injured for 50% of his career so far. That inconsistency is a huge hit on a team that yearns for consistency.
By blackace Go To PostJosh Jackson is so horrible that trading him for almost anything would be a plus. But getting a PG for worst-case 50 to 60% games who can actually pass the ball into the post so Ayton can develop would be a super win for the Suns and MontyJosh has shown as much as Lonzo. That's not a huge statement, I think both have been disappointing.
Suns have a gap at PG. If i put aside my dislike of lonzo's game and fact I really don't see him as a good player, yes, getting a point guard would be good for the suns.
He hasn't shown that he's a franchise PG though, and so giving up an asset (the first rounder included) to get something that has higher odds of being a stop gap solution than a long term fix, would be a poor trade and asset management.
Straight swapping Lonzo for Jackson, sure, equitable asset for equitable asset. Meh, it leaves the suns no worse off in pure bball terms. Makes the lakers no worse / better either in terms of just straight talent. Throwing in a first? that's where the trade becomes bad.
That trade has bigger issues anyway.
Largely, why would the Wizards trade beal away for mediocre players. If they're trading Beale, they're blowing it up. They'll want future picks. Not ... Ingram, Stephenson, Kuzma.
Largely, why would the Wizards trade beal away for mediocre players. If they're trading Beale, they're blowing it up. They'll want future picks. Not ... Ingram, Stephenson, Kuzma.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostLol
Ingram + Kuzma would already be an overpay for Beal in a two team trade, and they get an extra asset out of it. Ingram will be more valuable than Beal straight up within 1-2 years.
Anyway on the Lakers end, the question is whether AD is worth giving up Ingram plus Zo plus Kuzma plus Hart, PLUS the #4 overall pick, and the answer to that is a pretty firm hell no.
By masud Go To PostAll this media attention has warped our perception (not gonna lie I fell into it too) a 17 win team not signing a major free agent is not stricking out, anyone gonna say the Suns struck out this summer? The Knicks need to move like a small market team and build the roster organically.
The expectations for NYK were absolutely massive, though. The Suns have no expectations. For God's sake, we pulled a trigger with Kristaps and dealt him without batting an eyelash thinking we had KD in the bag. People are going to start remembering that and rubbing it in NY's face if he happens to have a massive year in Dallas. While we continue to be fodder for teams trying to seed.
Also, damn does the quality of FAs drop hard after you look at the 4th/5th best name on that list...
By Adam Go To PostFair enough. I can't tell if you're happy or not.I am pretty indifferent. I wasn't expecting any big name
By blackace Go To PostFrom the Bud school of let's make a good regular season teamIf he can turn the team into a good regular season team in the next 3 years i will be impressed.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostThe expectations for NYK were absolutely massive, though. The Suns have no expectations. For God's sake, we pulled a trigger with Kristaps and dealt him without batting an eyelash thinking we had KD in the bag. People are going to start remembering that and rubbing it in NY's face if he happens to have a massive year in Dallas. While we continue to be fodder for teams trying to seed.Why were those expectations there.
Also, damn does the quality of FAs drop hard after you look at the 4th/5th best name on that list…
Why are they always there for NY when they never do anything good.
Media helped drive some of the narrative. Buying into it time and again...
By jjasper Go To PostI am pretty indifferent. I wasn't expecting any big nameBud took over playoff teams and smoke and mirrored them to great records
If he can turn the team into a good regular season team in the next 3 years i will be impressed.
By giririsss Go To PostJosh has shown as much as Lonzo. That's not a huge statement, I think both have been disappointing.Great PGs are a commodity... Two of the knocks on Ball is he been hurt a lot and when LBJ came he was moved off ball a lot, neither are really his fault... he plays D at a high level and has potential to a very good floor leader who doesn't need touches which is perfect for Ayton and Booker... The pick is kind of a high price but this isn't an amazing draft or anything tbh
Suns have a gap at PG. If i put aside my dislike of lonzo's game and fact I really don't see him as a good player, yes, getting a point guard would be good for the suns.
He hasn't shown that he's a franchise PG though, and so giving up an asset (the first rounder included) to get something that has higher odds of being a stop gap solution than a long term fix, would be a poor trade and asset management.
Straight swapping Lonzo for Jackson, sure, equitable asset for equitable asset. Meh, it leaves the suns no worse off in pure bball terms. Makes the lakers no worse / better either in terms of just straight talent. Throwing in a first? that's where the trade becomes bad.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostThe expectations for NYK were absolutely massive, though. The Suns have no expectations. For God's sake, we pulled a trigger with Kristaps and dealt him without batting an eyelash thinking we had KD in the bag. People are going to start remembering that and rubbing it in NY's face if he happens to have a massive year in Dallas. While we continue to be fodder for teams trying to seed.According to Perry and Mills they traded KP because he didn't want to be there. Any other theories are just speculation. They got other assets besides cap space, which itself can be used for additional assets (Mills literally said this himself). The front office said from jump that they were committed to a slow patient rebuild and everyone just assumes they're lying for some reason. It's not their fault that the Knicks generate clicks for the media.
Also, damn does the quality of FAs drop hard after you look at the 4th/5th best name on that list…
By masud Go To PostAccording to Perry and Mills they traded KP because he didn't want to be there. Any other theories are just speculation. They got other assets besides cap space, which itself can be used for additional assets (Mills literally said this himself). The front office said from jump that they were committed to a slow patient rebuild and everyone just assumes they're lying for some reason. It's not their fault that the Knicks generate clicks for the media.That's a shit trade if they didn't do it for KD
By blackace Go To PostThat's a shit trade if they didn't do it for KDlol
KP hasn't played basketball for a year and a half. They're lucky they got what they did.
By blackace Go To PostGreat PGs are a commodity… Two of the knocks on Ball is he been hurt a lot and when LBJ came he was moved off ball a lot, neither are really his fault… he plays D at a high level and has potential to a very good floor leader who doesn't need touches which is perfect for Ayton and Booker… The pick is kind of a high price but this isn't an amazing draft or anything tbh
Being hurt a lot might not be his fault, but it's a legitimate knock against the guy.
Lonzo's floor vision translated, and his defense is better than expected. His shot didn't translate, and his first step remained mediocre, and his finishing has been rough.
Josh's athleticism is crazy, fearless, and as a secondary play maker is ok. His shot is still blah, his finishing can be rough, and he hasn't been focused every game on D.
They're remarkably similar when viewing side by side
Particularly when the rebounding numbers average out in the per 36.
I don't think lonzo has shown he's a floor general, nor has he played enough games to establish that. Let alone that he's going to be, for his career, a starting PG.
At this point Lonzo's worst is Bigger homeless Rondo ? . His best Pat Bev. Jacksons worst is corey brewer with slightly better shot, and best is Ariza that can pass.
The pick makes it a bad trade. Straight swap ? sure, what ever.
The pick should be going toward getting a more "sure thing".
By masud Go To PostlolI think it was a bad trade,but i get why they did it.
KP hasn't played basketball for a year and a half. They're lucky they got what they did.
By masud Go To PostlolHe is 23/24 recovering from an injury with a great recovery rate... don't sell them wolf tickets over here
KP hasn't played basketball for a year and a half. They're lucky they got what they did.
By blackace Go To PostHe is 23/24 recovering from an injury with a great recovery rate… don't sell them wolf tickets over hereNobody knows how a 7'3 guy is going to recover from a torn ACL. The fact that it's been almost 2 years is kind of alarming. Plus he's due his max extension that you have to pay him sight unseen or he might bail like he threatened to do to his last team? Naw two firsts (one unprotected) 30 million dollars in cap relief and DSJ is a good return for that.
By masud Go To PostNobody knows how a 7'3 guy is going to recover from a torn ACL. The fact that it's been almost 2 years is kind of alarming. Plus he's due his max extension that you have to pay him sight unseen or he might bail like he threatened to do to his last team? Naw two firsts (one unprotected) 30 million dollars in cap relief and DSJ is a good return for that.While true a 7'3 guy has never torn an ACL it hasn't hampered guys near 7 feet and most the chatter was he could had played but Dallas wanted to tank.
Again if you got KD and did it for that it's a good trade but just cap space for the sake of cap space isn't that great
By blackace Go To PostWhile true a 7'3 guy has never torn an ACL it hasn't hampered guys near 7 feet and most the chatter was he could had played but Dallas wanted to tank.KP was good but not a superstar, I am not sure if he will ever be healthy a full season for his career.
Again if you got KD and did it for that it's a good trade but just cap space for the sake of cap space isn't that great
Reilo still salty that he got that broom. He knows we are right and want to exaggerate and overrated players just for his agenda against the knicks.
All you need to complete the look is a couple grammar fuck ups and some random numbers after your name and the transformation is complete
The article was apparently written in March and SI decided to release it today.
I'm laughing at how offended Paul got when Demps asked Davis directly about the trade request.
I'm laughing at how offended Paul got when Demps asked Davis directly about the trade request.
By domino Go To Postboy rich paul couldn't wait to get in front of somebody and let his chest outIf you sign with me I will make dumb, petty decisions that may harm your interests in order to service my ego
here the whole article
- Rich Paul
Normally I would think the Pels have little leverage here, but even with the Lakers having the Rich Paul F You leverage, the Pels realize the Lakers HAVE to get this trade done and the sooner the better. Can't waste another year of Bron waiting for AD, would be better to enter the summer with two stars on the roster.
What calculus is used to rate Caruso above everyone him on that list? Because whatever variable tbat is in the equation, it needs some retooling
By Fenderputty Go To PostWhat calculus is used to rate Caruso above everyone him on that list? Because whatever variable tbat is in the equation, it needs some retoolinghttps://www.nbastuffer.com/analytics101/real-plus-minus-rpm/
Real Plus Minus (RPM) is the player’s average impact in terms of net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions.
i still hate all-in-one stats but when used to separate into tiers, there is usually some signal to go along with the noise
Yeah but when the noise includes alex fucking Caruso, it makes the signal harder to pick up. Specifically in the tier he's in. Ingram gets a lot of hate around here, but he's still 21 and doesn't turn 22 until sept. Nobody is rating Ingram that low on potential alone.
all the evidence I needed tbh
By Magic Johnson Go To PostI been knew about Caruso.
Watch him end up on the Clippers too.
all the evidence I needed tbh