NBA 2019 Offseason Thread | Greatest Clownshow On Earth

By Smokey Go To PostHe's 👏 not 👏 coaching 👏 in 👏 Houston

If you believe half those points verbatim you're a clown.

Tell me, giri, who watches every rockets game and is an avid, active*, NBA viewer, what does MDA do as the coach of the Houston Rockets

By DY_nasty Go To PostHarden has never done that though

Nobody's ever asked him to, and if you were to ask Morey, nobody ever should because a Harden ISO is still one of the best offenses in the league.

But, he's turning 30 before next season starts and has been playing for a decade, so if they think he can still stepback with fluidity in 2 years time without working through an offensive set then they got something else coming to them.

What rotations you gonna make with a trash roster

What plays you gonna call when your offense is he harden from the top or Chris Paul from the elbow with a month mixture of get out the way/run to the corner/lob to Capela

What good is a timeout when your entire system from management down is based on cheesing as many possessions as possible

These are dumb questions lol. The problem is you built around a guy that can only play one way then surrounded him with enablers and ppl that can't help cover those weaknesses

Neither Rick Carlisle nor Greg Poppovich could fix Houston's fundamental problem.

By DY_nasty Go To PostWhat rotations you gonna make with a trash roster

What plays you gonna call when your offense is he harden from the top or Chris Paul from the elbow with a month mixture of get out the way/run to the corner/lob to Capela

What good is a timeout when your entire system from management down is based on cheesing as many possessions as possible

These are dumb questions lol. The problem is you built around a guy that can only play one way then surrounded him with enablers and ppl that can't help cover those weaknesses

bruh

who is in CHARGE of the offense lmao

you just proved my point. That's the offense. Give it to Harden. When there doesn't work then what.

Smokey, you really thinking Harden is about the running-through-picks life ala Curry?

Houston would be better without Morey.

/shrug

By Smokey Go To PostTell me, giri, who watches every rockets game and is an avid, active*, NBA viewer, what does MDA do as the coach of the Houston Rockets

Ahh, an appeal to authority, when, if your authority is actual and not just a personally perceived one, doesn't even translate into the ability to use it to enter into critical rational thought.

By Smokey Go To Postbruh

who is in CHARGE of the offense lmao

you just proved my point. That's the offense. Give it to Harden. When there doesn't work then what.

Do you not remember another rockets coach saying fuck everyone and giving Josh Smith the keys 😂

Harden been doing Lebron shit for years.

By reilo Go To PostSmokey, you really thinking Harden is about the running-through-picks life ala Curry?

No. Nobody is. But you can use him in different ways other than dribbling the air out of the ball. That shit tires you out. It's predictable. Harden just happens to be elite in the iso game but it's NOTHING MDA is doing outside of just giving him the ball. So when that doesn't work or gets closed off, then what. How many times have you seen a back door layup not from the other team, but from the Rockets?

By Smokey Go To Postbruh

who is in CHARGE of the offense lmao

you just proved my point. That's the offense. Give it to Harden. When there doesn't work then what.

That's always been the offense since Harden put on a Rockets jersey, and that shit is by Morey's design. If under whatever imaginary scenario you think the Rockets get a coach "better" than MDA, you think Morey is going to hire someone that goes against Morey's philosophical design?

Maybe MDA doesn't coach because he's told by entirety of management to just spam the Harden ISO because that's their best offense as backed up by statistical analysis. And MAYBE that's on MDA to not urge Morey to cede on some of that but I highly highly doubt that'll ever change as long as Morey is your GM.

By Smokey Go To PostNo. Nobody is. But you can use him in different ways other than dribbling the air out of the ball. That shit tires you out. It's predictable. Harden just happens to be elite in the iso game but it's NOTHING MDA is doing outside of just giving him the ball. So when that doesn't work or gets closed off, then what. How many times have you seen a back door layup not from the other team, but from the Rockets?

You'll never get that as long as Morey is your GM. Never.

By giririsss Go To PostAhh, an appeal to authority, when, if your authority is actual and not just a personally perceived one, doesn't even translate into the ability to use it to enter into critical rational thought.

tf did you just say

By Smokey Go To Posttf did you just say

I'm saying 😂

wwwwwww

By Smokey Go To Posttf did you just say

Just called you a clown.

By reilo Go To PostThat's always been the offense since Harden put on a Rockets jersey, and that shit is by Morey's design. If under whatever imaginary scenario you think the Rockets get a coach "better" than MDA, you think Morey is going to hire someone that goes against Morey's philosophical design?

Maybe MDA doesn't coach because he's told by entirety of management to just spam the Harden ISO because that's their best offense as backed up by statistical analysis. And MAYBE that's on MDA to not urge Morey to cede on some of that but I highly highly doubt that'll ever change as long as Morey is your GM.
You'll never get that as long as Morey is your GM. Never.

Nah I'm not buying that anymore. I'm not saying they don't have a philopsophy, but I just posted how he doesn't call TOs. So is Morey responsible for MDA being an actual, stubborn idiot during the ebb and flow of a game?

Yes, absolutely, because he flat out told you that "statistics don't backup calling timeouts after an opposing team's run" right then and there. You think Morey is gonna disagree with that when they got statistics dictating shit like that?

“There are no analytics that really proves that if you call a timeout, it stops the run of the other team,” he says. “Actually, there’s evidence that doesn’t support that.”

Who gave him this evidence?

At what point do you look at Harden and Morey then

Not buying it. He's stubborn. Him using that trash stat is a way for him to cover his ass. And The cheese philosophy gets them closer than anybody else to GSW. You play straight up like Portland and you get swept, ijs. The only way to beat that team, or have a chance, is to literally cheese them. So I somewhat get it, but fuck.

Analytics: "Give the ball to James Harden to ISO because that's the most likely chance we score points"
Analytics: "Don't call a timeout if you already have the ball to setup a play because you'll just give it to Harden anyway because he's most likely to score us points"
Analytics: "Don't call a timeout if the opposing team goes on a run because there's evidence to the contrary that it stops the run"

Smokey: "whY WoNT D'Antoni CAlL tiMEoUTs?"

By Smokey Go To PostNot buying it. He's stubborn. And The cheese philosophy gets them closer than anybody else to GSW. You play straight up like Portland and you get swept, ijs. The only way to beat that team, or have a chance, is to literally cheese them. So I somewhat get it, but fuck.

Portland was out there with only two starters 🙄

The clippers did just as much as Houston with a bunch of rookies. Beating Utah and OKC is not an achievement.

Give me Lue.

By DY_nasty Go To PostPortland was out there with only two starters 🙄

The clippers did just as much as Houston with a bunch of rookies. Beating Utah and OKC is not an achievement.

When you come through the H, we throwin.

Is Doc Rivers not considered a top 5 coach in the league ffs. You keep proving my point. Others make adjustments as needed , MDA does not.

Ah yes, Tyronne Lue of the "just give the ball to Lebron James" coaching academy. I'm sure he'll draw up plays and call timeouts.

By Smokey Go To PostNo. Nobody is. But you can use him in different ways other than dribbling the air out of the ball. That shit tires you out. It's predictable. Harden just happens to be elite in the iso game but it's NOTHING MDA is doing outside of just giving him the ball. So when that doesn't work or gets closed off, then what. How many times have you seen a back door layup not from the other team, but from the Rockets?

D'antoni should try that Triangle. /3sp

We had Lou Will and Harrell. Did you EVER see them producing like that here. No, you didn't. I wonder why.

Doc Rivers sucks too 😂

I been saying he trash too you got me fucked up rn

By Smokey Go To PostWe had Lou Will and Harrell. Did you EVER see them producing like that here. No, you didn't. I wonder why.

Yeah, I wonder why 🤔

Prior to the Clippers, Lou Williams didn't produce anywhere in his entire career like that 😂

You're acting like Lou fell off the map after being a success his entire career. His ascension to a 20PPG is really unprecedented. And really, who else is gonna take shots on that Clippers team?

Morey is absolutely pushing his system onto coaches and players. If you get rid of him I still don't know if Harden is salvageable however.

Stop it. Doc the GM is ass.

Almost sad to smokey like this

Almost

Jerry Lewis does not approve of your comments, Smokey.

But, FYI Smokey, MDA had to run deep this year. Your team was injured or suspended all over the place. There were games where 7 players were fit and able to suit up? That's going to result in more rest. Whats the point in running practice when you just played 40 minutes. Didn't the coach in chicago get clowned on for doing the opposite of this point?

And those deep rotation guys ... were bad.

He obviously runs an offensive system. It might not have a 400 sets, but there is a system. And most teams might have a play book that large, but actually use about 10 of the plays, and the rest are just wrinkles of those plays. MDA's systems have always been about read and react, with ways to get offensive and defensive players on the move. Which is why it relies on good passers as the ball handler.

I'd hazzard a guess that every head coach in the NBA has guys who are tasked with looking at one side of the ball. They'd have both and offensive and defensive co-ordinator. A head coaches job is so vast and relies upon so many things more than just X's and O's he'd be stupid to not have someone whose job it is to pay particular attention to it. Head coaches are managers of a 100 things, personality, media, game time ... all that. How many assistants that get a shot at being a head coach have you heard are "great x's and o's" ... and they can't do the rest.

I mean, Thibs was doc rivers defensive co-ordinator ... just as an e.g. for you.

Most of the modern coaches have stopped calling a timeout late game to draw up a set play ... when your team has its' offensive players on the court. Much of the thought is that calling a timeout generally only helps the defense. They can put in defensive players, re-set their matchups, and get on the same page. On the offensive side you're better off having a defense that is ... none of those things? And that you then have to inbound the ball. Which may not even get into your best players hands.

By Random Ass Username Go To PostMorey is absolutely pushing his system onto coaches and players. If you get rid of him I still don't know if Harden is salvageable however.

If they hired a coach to make him shoot mid range jumpers every once in a while he'd probably quit to play baseball for two years

I swear Smokeys next post is going to be able the god damn triangle.

By reilo Go To PostPrior to the Clippers, Lou Williams didn't produce anywhere in his entire career like that 😂

You're acting like Lou fell off the map after being a success his entire career. His ascension to a 20PPG is really unprecedented. And really, who else is gonna take shots on that Clippers team?

He averaged over 18 with us before falling 4 ppg in Houston only to resurge under Doc.

By giririsss Go To PostI swear Smokeys next post is going to be able the god damn triangle.

Yeah I was waiting for that too

By Fenderputty Go To PostD'antoni should try that Triangle. /3sp

By Fenderputty Go To PostHe averaged over 18 with us before falling 4 ppg in Houston only to resurge under Doc.

And that was an aberration, too. That Lakers team was trash af, too. Who else was gonna take those shots? Jordan Clarkson?

yall are unbelievable rn tbh

I'm really not understanding how you can't easily see him being stubborn and refusing to adapt is a bad, horrible thing, and costs his teams games.

By s y Go To PostAlmost sad to smokey like this

Almost

Always thought Smokey was Knux's alt tbh

Morey trash
Harden trash
CP3 trash
D'Antoni trash

SLAENT finally agrees on something

Morey didn't even want MDA. That was a Les Alexander move.

Ironically, only way D'Antoni gets fired is if he draws up game-winning option plays that do not end with a Harden ISO 😂

I can't imagine being that loyal to Harden and Morey of all people. Harden is just a joke who treats basketball like Fortnite and Morey was trying to move draft picks like a used car salesman before Houston started winning again.

Wild

Much as D'Antoni is whatever it's obvious Houston coaches are basically expected, pressured whatever to include offensive strat of chuck 3s and Harden ISOs into their offensive plays no matter what, instead of running and making plays based around just who the fuck they're playing. And if it really doesn't work against the team they're playing, just try to get to the FT line more. And if that eventually hits a wall, just do it all over again next year. Trade away some more actual defensive fucking players and overpay an offensive one.

By Smokey Go To PostI'm really not understanding how you can't easily see him being stubborn and refusing to adapt is a bad, horrible thing, and costs his teams games.

Talking about Harden or CP3?

By DY_nasty Go To PostI can't imagine being that loyal to Harden and Morey of all people. Harden is just a joke who treats basketball like Fortnite and Morey was trying to move draft picks like a used car salesman before Houston started winning again.

Wild

What's the alternative

being Charlotte and drafting Miles Bridges?

By Smokey Go To PostWhat's the alternative

being Charlotte and drafting Miles Bridges?

When people come back to the hornets it's over tbh

gg. no re

By DY_nasty Go To PostWhen people come back to the hornets it's over tbh

gg. no re

You don't get to talk about other GMs and players when yours drafted Miles Bridges and can't make the playoffs in the East, and about to lose Kemba breh. It might be a good defense mechanism, but no.

Smokey been holding this for two weeks, damn. He's more bothered than I am lmao.