By /sy Go To Postwhat's the best value prebuilt fam
planning for 2021 sy
best person to ask is laboured.
Don't ask me 😭. Buying a prebuilt pc is like messing around with a single mom. It should be your first and last time.
By /sy Go To PostI have no idea if this setup/cost is even goodpretty good
upgrading the SSD should be easy
By /sy Go To Postyou think buying the parts individually would save me more?If you wait for sales yes.
Prebuilt have trash parts.
I have to make sure you are dead set on not building a PC. It's not very hard and its quite fun.
You won't really save much money by building, but it will be better (higher quality) parts.
You won't really save much money by building, but it will be better (higher quality) parts.
By Kabro Go To PostIf you wait for sales yes.
Prebuilt have trash parts.
It really depends. Some prebuilts can be absolutely sound, and when they’re on sale they can be hard to top in terms of price vs building your own.
Though I’d still recommend building your own. I wanna see Sy’s cable management
I believe Sy not only has the ability to, but will also choose to build his own once I open his eyes to how small his future PC can be.
What’s the point in building your own if you can just upgrade a pre built machine? Especially if you’re not saving money.
By /sy Go To PostWhat’s the point in building your own if you can just upgrade a pre built machine? Especially if you’re not saving money.some parts would have to be replaced like motherboard/power supply/case, which is normally where prebuilts cheap out on, so you'd end up spending way more
By /sy Go To PostWhat’s the point in building your own if you can just upgrade a pre built machine? Especially if you’re not saving money.Pre-builts usually skimp on case, power supply, and motherboard which can cause reliability issues later in the machine's life. They used to (not sure if it is still the case) severely hamper future upgradability. Especially with the PSU.
You do save money in the end though, at least you do here (and quite a bit). Anyway other reasons are that often pre-builds are built badly, they will cut corners wherever possible, you can't get exactly what you want and a lot of pre-build companies fill it with bloatware as well.
Most important though, you get to feel like a member of the master race.
Most important though, you get to feel like a member of the master race.
some of the prebuilt deals are nutty tho. back during the crypto craze the cheapest way to get a nice gpu was to just find a prebuilt on sale lol
By /sy Go To PostWhat’s the point in building your own if you can just upgrade a pre built machine? Especially if you’re not saving money.
The things said already, plus that some prebuilts use non-standard sized hardware which can cause issues when you come to upgrading it in the future.
It really does depend on the pre-built though. There's plenty of companies that just use standard off the shelf parts and you can pick and choose what case and components you want inside it from an available selection.
By /sy Go To PostWhat’s the point in building your own if you can just upgrade a pre built machine? Especially if you’re not saving money.
on top of what the other lads have said, you have to be wary of proprietary parts or general parts fuckery that makes it hard to upgrade later. My first prebuilt was my last because of that.
For example, this is the kind of prebuilt I would actually recommend
Going over it part by part. The CPU is good, the motherboard is okay and a BIOS update will allow it run a 3000 series Ryzen CPU. Clear upgrade path there, so that's good.
Single stick of RAM, kinda bad, but it's using a standard stick of Corsair LPX so no issues with throwing an extra stick in whenever you need/want to.
240Gb SSD/1Tb HDD. Good and bad. Good that an SSD is included, but it's small. HDD are so 90's but that still a good amount of storage. Upside is storage is very easy to upgrade.
GPU is the best AMD currently have available, it's by all rights a good GPU that performs well. Downside is it's likely a blower model and that means it'll be loud.
PSU, 650W is plenty so it shouldn't limit any future upgrades. Likely 80+ Bronze rated which is a far cry away from what some prebuilts come with.
Case is a bit shit, ngl.
Windows included, decent considering the price isn't inflated by £80-£100 to cover it.
Now if you were to build your own, you can tailor all of those bad points about that prebuilt out of it. For instance, the SSD+HDD combo can be replaced by a single 1Tb SSD for few pound more those separate drives.
The RAM, you can choose to buy two 8Gb sticks instead of being forced into using a single 16Gb stick. There is a performance difference between a single stick vs two sticks, the latter is always the better choice and the price is usually close between the two.
The GPU, you can choose the exact model you want without being forced into having a blower model. Pricing varies, but I've seen cheaper 5700XT AIB cards recently which means in this scenario you could even save money.
Case-wise, you can go much cheaper or stay around that same price, but more importantly you can pick the exact case you want so you don't end up with some garish shit like that Corsair one.
Yeah they exist, what country are you in, fam?
https://www.ebuyer.com/914006-alphasync-luna-spec-xt-ryzen-7-rx-5700-xt-16gb-1tb-hdd-240gb-as-d5101?utm_source=hotukdeals&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=hotukdeals
Parts/price list breakdown:
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz £155
16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000MHz (1x16GB) £68
240GB Corsair MP510 NVMe £44
1TB BarraCuda HDD £33
Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB £350
650W Corsair £50
Case Corsair Carbide SPEC-04 TG £65
300n Wifi card £9.00
Operating System: Windows 10 Home
MSI B450M Pro-M2 £67
Typical £841... there price: £896
Source: https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ebuyer-2700x-5700xt-240-nvme-1tb-hdd-package-898-from-ebuyercom-3389723
Going over it part by part. The CPU is good, the motherboard is okay and a BIOS update will allow it run a 3000 series Ryzen CPU. Clear upgrade path there, so that's good.
Single stick of RAM, kinda bad, but it's using a standard stick of Corsair LPX so no issues with throwing an extra stick in whenever you need/want to.
240Gb SSD/1Tb HDD. Good and bad. Good that an SSD is included, but it's small. HDD are so 90's but that still a good amount of storage. Upside is storage is very easy to upgrade.
GPU is the best AMD currently have available, it's by all rights a good GPU that performs well. Downside is it's likely a blower model and that means it'll be loud.
PSU, 650W is plenty so it shouldn't limit any future upgrades. Likely 80+ Bronze rated which is a far cry away from what some prebuilts come with.
Case is a bit shit, ngl.
Windows included, decent considering the price isn't inflated by £80-£100 to cover it.
Now if you were to build your own, you can tailor all of those bad points about that prebuilt out of it. For instance, the SSD+HDD combo can be replaced by a single 1Tb SSD for few pound more those separate drives.
The RAM, you can choose to buy two 8Gb sticks instead of being forced into using a single 16Gb stick. There is a performance difference between a single stick vs two sticks, the latter is always the better choice and the price is usually close between the two.
The GPU, you can choose the exact model you want without being forced into having a blower model. Pricing varies, but I've seen cheaper 5700XT AIB cards recently which means in this scenario you could even save money.
Case-wise, you can go much cheaper or stay around that same price, but more importantly you can pick the exact case you want so you don't end up with some garish shit like that Corsair one.
By /sy Go To PostWell that complicates things. There isn’t a site where you pick the parts and have them be built?
Yeah they exist, what country are you in, fam?
USA.
Looks like building(ugh) might be the way but there's a good chance that I will strip every screw that's needed.
Looks like building(ugh) might be the way but there's a good chance that I will strip every screw that's needed.
By /sy Go To PostUSA.I'm not too up on what's available in the USA, I know of CyberPower and I know they have some config options. There's shit loads of configurable PC sites in the UK though, so I'm sure there's plenty there too.
Looks like building(ugh) might be the way but there's a good chance that I will strip every screw that's needed.
By Yurt :3 Go To Posthow often do you guys upgrade your pcs?Too often.
Had an i5 2320/560Ti in 2011 or 2012, that lasted me fully till 2016, then i upgraded to a 1050Ti.
2017 I jumped on the Ryzen meme with a Ryzen 1600, complete new system apart from reusing the 1050Ti. That lasted some months before I ditched the 1050Ti for a 1080.
2018, the great downsizening began. Switched motherboards, RAM, coolers and case down. Went with a QBX. Later that year I went smaller again with a DAN A4 case, along with a new cooler, multiple actually.
Late 2018, ditched the Ryzen 1600 and 1080 for a 9600K and 2080Ti, new motherboard again.
2019, switched case again. Went with the slightly bigger NCase M1. Upgraded to a 9900K. Put together a full custom loop inside that case.
Along the way, bought SSDs here and there, different fans, different coolers, mice, keyboards, etc.
By Yurt :3 Go To Posthow often do you guys upgrade your pcs?
Bought new parts in 2015 and stuck with that until just a few months ago when I did a huge upgrade (well, really, just a new pc altogether with the exception of some SSD's and the graphic card), with the exception of my graphic card, which I upgraded in 2017.
Now don't ask me how many times a year I buy a new mouse, in my quest for the perfect light weight mouse.
Can easily see myself upgrading more often these days though, certainly want a new graphic card again when the next generation of nvidia cards are out. I dont just want my pc to handle ultra wide at 60, I want ultra wide at 120fps.
By Yurt :3 Go To Posthow often do you guys upgrade your pcs?I usually do one part a year. New mobo/cpu/ram every 3-5 years.
e: my latest upgrade have been the new 180mm PWM fans from Silverstone; my previous options were just voltage controlled, which blah
By /sy Go To PostUSA.
Looks like building(ugh) might be the way but there's a good chance that I will strip every screw that's needed.
Nah you'll be fine. The fiddliest parts of building these days are getting your cables right. Everything else generally only fits one way lol
By Yurt :3 Go To Posthow often do you guys upgrade your pcs?
Built a new pc a few months back. First fresh build in 10 years. My Phenom II x4 build went far with a few cheap upgrades along the way, like a gtx 660 lol. Can't explain how cummy it is going from Witcher 3 medium settings @1080p running about 45fps to 1440p/120 fps maxed out. Slippery. Quake champions at max refreshrate is super greasy.
Will probably upgrade to the next nvidia gpu if the value holds on resale for my 2070 super.
Small form factor E-ATX soon to be a thing btw
Definitely some kinks they need to work out before they finalise the design though.
Definitely some kinks they need to work out before they finalise the design though.
By Yurt :3 Go To Posthow often do you guys upgrade your pcs?Depends mostly on what Intel, Nvidia and now AMD again are doing in the space.
The legendary i7 2600k processor + motherboard I bought in 2011 lasted me up to march 2017, a personal record, which is when I put together my current build. Since then the only big upgrades have been the graphics card (1080 to 1080ti, a ~150€ bottom line upgrade), storage (got rid of the last mechanical drive I'll ever own, upgraded to 1tb NVME SSD for games, which will presumably last me for years to come, and a 1tb SATA SSD for general storage) and the additional 25" 240hz monitor I recently treated myself to for that online fps owning.
Even though I can afford it most of the time, I generally only upgrade either when there's a proper generational leap to be had in terms of performance (like going from the 2600k to a 7700k) or when switching to the latest and greatest makes sense from a financial standpoint (sold my 1080, which I had for about 2 years, for ~350€, bought a used 1080ti for ~500€) aka selling old hardware before it devalues too far.
It's getting harder and harder not to scratch the itch these days however, with all the cool new cases and 4564553 core CPUs releasing on a monthly basis. Even so, the only certain upgrade I'll make this year is a new graphics card. Bring me those traced rays, Nvidia.
By Wahabipapangus Go To PostI dont just want my pc to handle ultra wide at 60, I want ultra wide at 120fps.
Yeah, it really depends on something good coming out or how the overall market is behaving. It's even worse here due to import taxes and the like, so you have to check prices from week to week.
I was happy with my evergreen Intel like Zabo for years. But then Ryzen happened. Last year was an excellent time to upgrade RAM and move everything to SSDs, even backups and media only drives. But PSUs prices keep going up for example. Hopefully the Nvidia 30 series this year brings a nice upgrade. With next gen imminent it will be the time to look for upgrades on that front. It's likely storage goes up in price again, but 2TB+ nvmes should become more common, etc.
I was happy with my evergreen Intel like Zabo for years. But then Ryzen happened. Last year was an excellent time to upgrade RAM and move everything to SSDs, even backups and media only drives. But PSUs prices keep going up for example. Hopefully the Nvidia 30 series this year brings a nice upgrade. With next gen imminent it will be the time to look for upgrades on that front. It's likely storage goes up in price again, but 2TB+ nvmes should become more common, etc.
Cheers! This all sounds reasonable really
By Zabojnik Go To PostThe legendary i7 2600k processor + motherboardhad them in my last ever PC!
By Yurt :3 Go To Posthow often do you guys upgrade your pcs?
GPU every release cycle.
Motherboard/CPU: 3 to 4 years
How silly would it be to mount an external radiator to the underside of my desk? Like a thicc af 560mm rad, push/pull noctua's on it out of sight and some QDC fittings at the back on the PC for easily moving it when needed. I could considerably cut down on noise, and have even better temps. Potentially be much easier to fill and drain the loop. Switch to any case I like without a worry regarding temps or noise, etc.
If only there was some other way, like a bigger case. Would love to see it. Sounds like a project.
Reminds me of when I wanted to drill holes through a wall to the bathroom, have the rad / res / pump there, tubes to the PC. Absolute silence.
Reminds me of when I wanted to drill holes through a wall to the bathroom, have the rad / res / pump there, tubes to the PC. Absolute silence.
By Zabojnik Go To PostIf only there was some other way, like a bigger case. Would love to see it. Sounds like a project.
Reminds me of when I wanted to drill holes through a wall to the bathroom, have the rad / res / pump there, tubes to the PC. Absolute silence.
Nah fuck that, you seen the size of cases that fit 480/560mm rads? I’d have to take the front door off to get one inside the house.
Plus I can just keep getting you to print parts to make my current case measurably bigger.
By ecnal Go To Postay smokey -Screw Smokey.
which would you upgrade first, and what would you upgrade it with?
i7-7700
GTX 1070
GPU first, 2070 Super or 2080Ti. Anything less would be too little of an upgrade.
I'm no Smokey, but even I can tell you that the answer is 1070. A used 1080ti, if you want to be sensible, or 2080 / 2080 super / 2080ti.
thanks breh's.
is this still a good tier list?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
is this still a good tier list?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
By ecnal Go To Postay smokey -
which would you upgrade first, and what would you upgrade it with?
i7-7700
GTX 1070
The GPU. Don't buy anything high end from the 2xxx series (2070+). They're over a year + old at this point and the 3xxx series should be out sometime this year.
By Smokey Go To PostThe GPU. Don't buy anything high end from the 2xxx series (2070+). They're over a year + old at this point and the 3xxx series should be out sometime this year.
Roger.
Guess I'll hold off till 3000 series shows up in summer.
By HonestVapes Go To PostScrew Smokey.I think even the 2070 Super isn't enough of an upgrade, tbh.
GPU first, 2070 Super or 2080Ti. Anything less would be too little of an upgrade.