THE Personal Computer Thread 2023

By Laboured Go To PostNot so fast. Jesal how do you feel about Swarovski covered RAM?

Only if it's embedded in Gaudy Gold ™

Just

By Zabojnik Go To PostI've got a nice 1080ti with your name on it, inky-chan. Equipped with a custom cooler, no extra charge.

Just slide it under the door Zabo kun,💜

Think it's time for me to build a PC.

Having zero prior experience, where do you guys usually start when starting from zero? Should i prioritize CPU/GPU?

It's clear to me that I'm obviously going to need a CPU, Motherboard, Memory, Storage, GPU, PSU , Case, Monitor, Mouse and Keyboard.

I don't expect to do much gaming with the exception of some X-Com and CK. I'm also trying to stay within a 800-1100 budget ( not including monitor)

Looking around and there's plenty of options for all components, so I'm starting to be a little overwhelmed...

By Koko Go To PostThink it's time for me to build a PC.

Having zero prior experience, where do you guys usually start when starting from zero? Should i prioritize CPU/GPU?

It's clear to me that I'm obviously going to need a CPU, Motherboard, Memory, Storage, GPU, PSU , Case, Monitor, Mouse and Keyboard.

I don't expect to do much gaming with the exception of some X-Com and CK. I'm also trying to stay within a 800-1100 budget ( not including monitor)

Looking around and there's plenty of options for all components, so I'm starting to be a little overwhelmed…

What is the primary purpose of this computer?

By Kibner Go To PostWhat is the primary purpose of this computer?

Not even sure, just got tired of having to plugged an old laptop(broken hinges,damaged screen) to my TV.

Day to day some Office programs and Photoshop, maybe some programming in the future.

Whet it comes to games I would still mostly play PS4/5, but I do want to be play games like CK, X-Com, Wasteland and not have to worry about performance issues.

Edit: What's the general consensus when it comes to LG monitors? looking at this one right now: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824025172?item=N82E16824025172&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-gaming+monitors-_-N82E16824025172&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5_Cmpojy6wIVuD6tBh2KcgwgEAQYASABEgIjavD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds#

By inky Go To PostJust
Just slide it under the door Zabo kun,💜

Can I slide some things in too?

By HonestVapes Go To PostCan I slide some things in too?

Only if they have RGB

If you're willing to wait and stretch that budget a bit, you could squeeze in a 3070 RTX, which is crazy, if it really is as fast as the 2080ti.

Otherwise you're looking at 5700 / 2060 Super build, with a Ryzen 3700X, which is still a very respectable combo.

Koko, here is a build I made, minus monitor, keyboard, and mouse. It is focused on giving you a lot of flexibility with what you are running now and giving you the ability to upgrade to better parts in the future (if you need them). If you want to cut some costs, switching to a Radeon RX570 GPU, downgrading to only 16 GB of RAM, or use a B450 board are where I would look.

Also, there is a white version of the case in this build for the same price, if you would prefer that, instead.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Inland 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($192.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card ($229.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($105.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1029.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-18 14:32 EDT-0400

Mouse and keyboard have lots of personal preference. Especially depending on if you want wired or wireless. If you want wireless, Logitech stuff with their LightSpeed is pretty much the only good choice.

If you are ok with wired, I like this mouse for a good combination of performance, ergonomics, and price: https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/vektor/

For keyboard, you really just want something with mechanical switches. Cherry MX Browns are good all-rounders. There are lots out there and, honestly, pretty much any of them will do for you.

PCGR has great mice and keyboards for great prices, but with terrible branding.
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/glorious-model-d-minus-matte-black
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/gmmk-full-brown-switch

By Zabojnik Go To PostI'm just goofing, if you feel like you're going to get some decent use out of it, then by all means. I only ever owned one laptop and it was such a subpar experience that it put me off portables for the rest of my life. Mostly I just don't have a need for a portable PC.

What about the new Tiger Lake based stuff tho?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yl_ziFcOA4

i need a laptop by the end of next week, so cant wait for this really.

Wrong thread yo

By Zabojnik Go To PostIf you're willing to wait and stretch that budget a bit, you could squeeze in a 3070 RTX, which is crazy, if it really is as fast as the 2080ti.

Otherwise you're looking at 5700 / 2060 Super build, with a Ryzen 3700X, which is still a very respectable combo.

By Kibner Go To PostKoko, here is a build I made, minus monitor, keyboard, and mouse. It is focused on giving you a lot of flexibility with what you are running now and giving you the ability to upgrade to better parts in the future (if you need them). If you want to cut some costs, switching to a Radeon RX570 GPU, downgrading to only 16 GB of RAM, or use a B450 board are where I would look.

Also, there is a white version of the case in this build for the same price, if you would prefer that, instead.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Inland 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($192.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB TUF GAMING OC Video Card ($229.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($105.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1029.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-09-18 14:32 EDT-0400

Mouse and keyboard have lots of personal preference. Especially depending on if you want wired or wireless. If you want wireless, Logitech stuff with their LightSpeed is pretty much the only good choice.

If you are ok with wired, I like this mouse for a good combination of performance, ergonomics, and price: https://gaming.kinesis-ergo.com/vektor/

For keyboard, you really just want something with mechanical switches. Cherry MX Browns are good all-rounders. There are lots out there and, honestly, pretty much any of them will do for you.

PCGR has great mice and keyboards for great prices, but with terrible branding.
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/glorious-model-d-minus-matte-black
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/gmmk-full-brown-switch

Thanks for the replies guys.

Seems like the GPU and PSU are out of stock at the moment, which seems to be a normal thing.. I don't mind waiting a couple weeks more or should I start looking for alternatives.

Wait a month for Ryzen 4 series. 4600 is probably going to outmuscle the 3600 quite a bit which could lead to major discounts.
To put it into perspective: I bought my 3600 for 199€ on launch. It's a great (best) value processor that hasn't been discounted that much since release

By Koko Go To PostThanks for the replies guys.

Seems like the GPU and PSU are out of stock at the moment, which seems to be a normal thing.. I don't mind waiting a couple weeks more or should I start looking for alternatives.

For PSU you want one that is fully modular and rated gold, titanium, or platinum. Bronze is the cheapest, but could be unreliable, depending on the brand. It's hard to find an unreliable gold or better PSU.

Modular means that the PSU has cables that can detach completely from the unit. This makes the PC easier and less annoying to build.

E: yeah, gpu's are hard to find in stock. 1660 Super seems to be the best "I want to game well for cheap and not worry about AMD driver issues" card, atm.

Also, the Lian Li LANCool II Mesh is a little better than the P400A I linked wasn't in stock when I looked. The RGB version is more expensive but the non - RGB may be a little cheaper.

Looking likely that there's only a 5-10% performance difference at 4K between the 3080 and 3090. Hope I'm wrong.

By HonestVapes Go To PostLooking likely that there's only a 5-10% performance difference at 4K between the 3080 and 3090. Hope I'm wrong.

Seems like it really may be more focused for professional work + gaming, then.

By Kibner Go To PostSeems like it really may be more focused for professional work + gaming, then.

Probably has an advantage at 8K too, I guess due the bandwidth.

That’s kinda good though, makes the 3080 seem even better value. Also means I really don’t need the upgrade because the jump just isn’t big enough justify for me.

3090 is the Titan equivalent right?
I think 3070 will be my sweet spot. Would be great for getting 1080/144 fps for a long time with everything maxed.
Or would I be able to get that with an eventual 3060?

By HonestVapes Go To PostLooking likely that there's only a 5-10% performance difference at 4K between the 3080 and 3090. Hope I'm wrong.

Might pass if thats the case 🤔

if 3090 benches are true then lmao at changing that price for ~20% better perf than the 3080

#Team3080

By Red Blaster Go To Postif 3090 benches are true then lmao at changing that price for ~20% better perf than the 3080

In fairness, it's likely they're charging that price for the extra 14GB of GDDR6X, and the SLI connection (even though SLI is dead), plus yeno, Nvidia tax.

If the benches are accurate though, it really makes the almost inevitable 3080Ti card at a 1K price point pretty pointless too. It would be what, 4-8% better? For £350 more? Sheesh.

Edit: Another thing to note is that the 3080 is already on the GA-102 big boy die, just cut back in some respects from the 3090.
The previous few generations, the XX80 used the 104 die and the XX80Ti and Titan used the 102, with the 80Ti using a cut back version. There was never much difference between a 1080Ti and Titan Xp or 2080Ti and Titan RTX for instance.

So to me it seems there’s really not much more they can squeeze out the GA-102 die, in terms of performance or in terms of squeezing a card in the stack between the 3080 and 3090.

The one ace up their sleeve for more performance would be better binned and faster GDDR6X. Akin to what they did with the 20 series Super GPUs.
The other, which is practically guaranteed is doubling the VRAM capacity. Which has already been rumoured and unofficially confirmed by Gigabyte IIRC.

By Red Blaster Go To Postif 3090 benches are true then lmao at changing double that price for ~20% ~15% better perf than the 3080

Fixed, but woof. :O

Lisa Su, plz save us with Big Navi

By Smokey Go To Post#Team3080

Expected this from horse, but not you m8

If Queen Lisa Su could save us, I would be very happy. But press x to doubt when it comes to amd with this.

AMD should focus on entry and mid range value imo. Unpopular opinion, I know.

They'd have a free run at it this winter too.

By HonestVapes Go To PostThe other, which is practically guaranteed is doubling the VRAM capacity. Which has already been rumoured and unofficially confirmed by Gigabyte IIRC.

Unless you have a specific need for 20gb of GDDR6X and can't / don't want to splurge on a 3090, I fail to see the need for such a card. Actual memory usage (not the allocated memory reported via monitoring software) in games is evidently nowhere near 10gb even at 4K these days and while it's something that might see an increase over the years, I very much doubt it'll be a limiting factor within the lifespan of the 3080.

Guess it depends on how much they'll charge for it. A significant chunk, one would imagine, if the higher cost of the 3090 is in part due to memory.

the 10gb 3080 isn't going to last long for 4k gaming, rdr2 already uses ~6gb vram despite bad textures and no ray tracing. now that consoles are getting 16gb vram to play with (albeit that's total memory), I don't see how things aren't going to get drastically worse. but it'll take a few years at least. the 3080 is a good purchase, I just wish it had 12gb vram. if I get one I'd expect to upgrade to a 4080.

4k gaming is a moving target but i think the 3080 will be good at 1440p for several years

DLSS reduces RAM requirements by a good amount

By inky Go To PostAMD should focus on entry and mid range value imo. Unpopular opinion, I know.

They'd have a free run at it this winter too.

Blasphemy.

By Wahabipapangus Go To PostIf Queen Lisa Su could save us, I would be very happy. But press x to doubt when it comes to amd with this.

:(

Sigh, my new power supply was supposed to be delivered today but I checked the tracking number and it says that 6 minutes ago they attempted delivery but no one was home. No one even knocked or showed up... I've been here all day.

Quite impressed with this g14 laptop i must say. Last laptop I bought was a lenovo yoga in... 2013 or 2014, and the step up in quality is quite sensational.

By Celcius Go To PostSigh, my new power supply was supposed to be delivered today but I checked the tracking number and it says that 6 minutes ago they attempted delivery but no one was home. No one even knocked or showed up… I've been here all day.

This happened to me with Amazon once. Nobody came to my door. Rang Amazon customer service up and told them, they said they'd call the delivery driver to sort his life out and deliver the package, giving me £10 credit to make up for the driver being a wasteman.

10 minutes later man's knocking on my door and delivering.

By Celcius Go To PostSigh, my new power supply was supposed to be delivered today but I checked the tracking number and it says that 6 minutes ago they attempted delivery but no one was home. No one even knocked or showed up… I've been here all day.

one time Dan ordered a video game and waited by his window looking outside and received an SMS saying "delivery attempted"

its ridiculous that it happens

By FootbalIFan Go To Postone time Dan ordered a video game and waited by his window looking outside and received an SMS saying "delivery attempted"

its ridiculous that it happens

never forget.

never forgive.

Happened to me too last Christmas, called Amazon CS and they said they would schedule the delivery for the next day lol. Next day delivery driver calls me saying he can't find the house... he was like half an hour away on a street with a different name.

i need these official 3090 benchmarks ;_:

By Smokey Go To Posti need these official 3090 benchmarks ;_:

9/24 is when embargo is up, isn't it?

Found some old pics






Ultrawide before it was hip. 3x 120hz 3d monitors






Good times

rip

those some thicc bezels.

By Facism Go To Postthose some thicc bezels.

Worth it

Smokey has been rolling with Real Good Builds since time began it seems.




Gigabyte 3080 and 3090 PCBs. Never seen such a variety in PCBs for a single card before. Obviously the FE PCB is it's own thing, Gigabyte have done there own thing, Zotac have their own, EVGA, Asus and MSI all seemingly offering a variety, none of which thus far are reference.
Seems like getting a confirmed compatible block if you buy an odd layout early will be hell.

Vapes, what was the mouse feet brand you recommend?

By Kibner Go To PostVapes, what was the mouse feet brand you recommend?

Corepads, but I believe Hyperglides are just as good if not better. I think the latter are easier to get a hold of in the US.

A note on mouse feet, if they don't sell a set for your particular mouse then you can order a set for a Zowie mouse (for example, since they have a nice amount of surface area), and sand down the base of your own mouse so that it's flat, then apply the alternative mouse feet.
The sanding is only required if your mouse has a plastic lip surrounding the stock feet, as many do.

These FE blocks are doing it for me, even Corsair's (which is now up)

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Blocks/GPU-Blocks/Hydro-X-Series-XG7-RGB-30-SERIES-GPU-Water-Block-%283080-FE%29/p/CX-9020011-WW


EK's teaser for the FE block had the G1/4 at the end of the card like that Bitspower block.
It'd be so ideal for me with the Q37, I'd get a lot more cooling out the bottom rad with less restriction around half of it.

Might hold off until 20GB 3080 if 3090 isn't the move i was expecting it to be.

Refuse to go down in VRAM.

By Smokey Go To PostMight hold off until 20GB 3080 if 3090 isn't the move i was expecting it to be.

Refuse to go down in VRAM.

I feel the same way. Even though it's a straight performance improvement, and I'm confident 10GB really is "enough". it feels wrong to go down from 11GB to 10GB while upgrading.

Time Spy (graphics): 20569 vs 17645 (via arstechnica). 16.6% Increase

Time Spy Extreme (graphics): 10560 vs 8798 (via arstechnica). 20% Increase

Assassin's Creed Odyssey (4K/Maxed): 71 vs 63 (via arstechinica) 12.7% Increase

Horizon Zero Dawn (4K/Ultimate Quality): 86 vs 73 (via techspot) 17.8% Increase

Red Dead Redemption II (4K/Maxed/No MSAA): 66 (can't find any exact)

Shadow of the Tomb Raider (4K/Maxed/DLSS/No RT): 112 vs 103 (via guru 3D) 8.7% Increase

Shadow of the Tomb Raider (4K/Maxed/DLSS/RT): 82 vs 69 (via pcgamer) 18.8% Increase

Control DLSS Quality 55-70 vs 64.8 (via gamers nexus)

Leaked 3090 benches versus 3080.

Ehhhh