By SUPER YARAK Go To PostI mean it's funny but fuck the BBC for giving these hatecunts a platform.
More people need to see frauds for what they are
By Fenderputty Go To Post
Full interview there. He blasts a right wing journalist as a leftist after getting asked basic questions and then storms out in a fit basking in his popularity.
Pretty much all of Twitter is dunking on him right now. He actually made a PR statement tweet admitting his ignorance and that was dunked on too lol
Haha, that was hilarious.
Imagine thinking Andrew Neil is on the left.
By Fenderputty Go To PostMore people need to see frauds for what they areYo that's s why they let farage peddle his racist bile and lies about the eu unchallenged time and time again. Or how question time employs right-leaning white shithounds in the audience to backup people like him in "impartial debate".
Just because Shapiro is the one single nutter that fucked himself doesnt mean the rest if them are as stupid and uninformed as he is. I'm mad I have to pay a license fee for this organisation to demonize me and mine.
By SUPER YARAK Go To PostYo that's s why they let farage peddle his racist bile and lies about the eu unchallenged time and time again. Or how question time employs right-leaning white shithounds in the audience to backup people like him in "impartial debate".
Just because Shapiro is the one single nutter that fucked himself doesnt mean the rest if them are as stupid and uninformed as he is. I'm mad I have to pay a license fee for this organisation to demonize me and mine.
Maybe it’s a perception thing, cause that conservative journalist just exposed Shapiro in ways the Liberal NYT’s has never done
I think my favorite part of he just screams science for his abhorrent abortion beliefs
American media ain't shit breh. They acting like we sent seals to take that north korean ship in response to the missile launches when it's been sitting in Indonesia since April of last year
"Exposals" can go away entirely.
"Exposals" can go away entirely.
By SUPER YARAK Go To PostYo that's s why they let farage peddle his racist bile and lies about the eu unchallenged time and time again. Or how question time employs right-leaning white shithounds in the audience to backup people like him in "impartial debate".Yeah, deplatforming works much better than giving these people the ability to spread their hate to a much larger audience than they are capable of on their own.
Just because Shapiro is the one single nutter that fucked himself doesnt mean the rest if them are as stupid and uninformed as he is. I'm mad I have to pay a license fee for this organisation to demonize me and mine.
You'd think American white guys would have had a better contingency plan for losing a tiny amount of absolute power than Trump and Ben Shapiro
By Not Go To PostYou'd think American white guys would have had a better contingency plan for losing a tiny amount of absolute power than Trump and Ben ShapiroBen a clown but Trump neva lawst
By Kibner Go To PostYeah, deplatforming works much better than giving these people the ability to spread their hate to a much larger audience than they are capable of on their own.
Ben’s got millions of followers and is in no risk of being deplatformed by any of his media platforms. At least in this instance he ventured out and got exposed.
He’s a fast talking walking logical fallacy that’s currently being propped up as a star in conservative thought. He’s dangerous
He really hated his history catching up with him. Trump would've known how to talk his way out of that.
By Fenderputty Go To PostBen’s got millions of followers and is in no risk of being deplatformed by any of his media platforms. At least in this instance he ventured out and got exposed.And putting him on BBC, even if he gets embarrassed, just increases his reach even more. Stop giving heinous people that ability to spread their views.
He’s a fast talking walking logical fallacy that’s currently being propped up as a star in conservative thought. He’s dangerous
By Kibner Go To PostAnd putting him on BBC, even if he gets embarrassed, just increases his reach even more. Stop giving heinous people that ability to spread their views.
Ehh I fee this is situational. Ben isn’t infowars. He’s a grifter that hides being a veneer of intellectualism who’s elevated himself above being deplatformed. He not pushing conspiracy tripe. He’s pushing extreme right wing policy and passing the sale off as reasoned argumentation. Ignoring him isn’t going to reduce his sway. Though I agree that giving him a platform without pushback a la American media is bad.
"Exposing" people doesn't work lol.
We had a decade of John Stewart to show it's nothing but validation and views for all involved.
We had a decade of John Stewart to show it's nothing but validation and views for all involved.
By DY_nasty Go To Post"Exposing" people doesn't work lol.
We had a decade of John Stewart to show it's nothing but validation and views for all involved.
I don't think ignoring shit that's already flowed over into mainstream works either. Like i get not wanting to give time to a crank, but Shapiro is already nationally elevated and considered smart influential conservative. Does ignoring racism work? Does ignoring sexism work? I'm not sure why ignoring what's currently being passed off as mainstream conserva-think will.
I mean ... maybe nothing will ....
You have to penetrate the mind of the Fox News viewer, but they're all wearing chastity belts over their brains.
Actively refusing people from platforms where they can easily gain visibility isn't *ignoring* them. If we brought the same energy to those that are openly anti-Israel to everything else then half of our problems wouldn't even be public knowledge anymore...
Like putting some anti-vaccination people on the air - everyone with sense understands that they're jokes ahead of time. You're not changing anyone's mind by making a spectacle of them. The few impressionable out there or the few that already believe that shit will only feel legitimized by the attack.
Like putting some anti-vaccination people on the air - everyone with sense understands that they're jokes ahead of time. You're not changing anyone's mind by making a spectacle of them. The few impressionable out there or the few that already believe that shit will only feel legitimized by the attack.
By DY_nasty Go To PostActively refusing people from platforms where they can easily gain visibility isn't *ignoring* them. If we brought the same energy to those that are openly anti-Israel to everything else then half of our problems wouldn't even be public knowledge anymore…
Like putting some anti-vaccination people on the air - everyone with sense understands that they're jokes ahead of time. You're not changing anyone's mind by making a spectacle of them. The few impressionable out there or the few that already believe that shit will only feel legitimized by the attack.
So what do you do with a dude like Shapiro? Just let the grift go unchecked?
By Fenderputty Go To PostSo what do you do with a dude like Shapiro? Just let the grift go unchecked?Unchecked != Put him on a major news network. These companies have the ability to blacklist and they don't here because it's profit based media now. Said it years ago but racism hasn't been this marketable since the early 90s. This is just more of it on display.
There's few examples better than how we treat anti-israel stuff.
By DY_nasty Go To PostUnchecked != Put him on a major news network. .
(to be fair, I did say American media without pushback is bad) ... Ok ... so what is unchecked then? Because he seems to be able to spread his tripe quite well regardless. Like I have no idea how to deal with this since it's more nebulous than "look at this crank claiming frogs are gay".
By Fenderputty Go To Post(to be fair, I did say American media without pushback is bad) … Ok … so what is unchecked then? Because he seems to be able to spread his tripe quite well regardless. Like I have no idea how to deal with this since it's more nebulous than "look at this crank claiming frogs are gay".Campaigning to get them kicked off the platforms they are allowed on in order to lessen their impact. It's been done before with other right-wing idiots. Then they start struggling to even make enough money to continue their grift, much less get rich off it.
I'm not the one using "unchecked" lol. I'm saying if there's something that our gov/media decide that something is taboo - it becomes taboo. Again, be anti-Israel. See how that goes.
"He's already got supporters, so why not?" is throwing all responsibility away too.
"He's already got supporters, so why not?" is throwing all responsibility away too.
By Kibner Go To PostCampaigning to get them kicked off the platforms they are allowed on in order to lessen their impact. It's been done before with other right-wing idiots. Then they start struggling to even make enough money to continue their grift, much less get rich off it.
He’s funded by the Koch’s and runs the daily wire website grifting diet pill sales. He’s not getting kicked out of anywhere.
Interesting we’re having this debate and then I read this great thread:
He literally brings up each point we brought up in this spirited discussion and seems as torn as I am. The blast at American media at the end was rather nice
By DY_nasty Go To PostThis is literally how we got TrumpNeva lawst
But ok.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThis is literally how we got Trump
But ok.
...Thought it was the general incompetence of the Dems to blame for how we got Trump.
(Remembers that MSM was coordinating with Hillary to push Trump, resulting in a backfire of epic proportions.)
Nvm, checks out.
Trump specifically navigates push back well because he's a tornado and the media moves onto the next crazy story before the first sets in. He's overwhelming.The media spent way more time on emails that any individual trump scandal in that 2016 election as a result.
I get your point though and I don't really disagree with Kib on a fundamental level. I just don't know how to deal with a dude like Shapiro.
I get your point though and I don't really disagree with Kib on a fundamental level. I just don't know how to deal with a dude like Shapiro.
You can't argue with people who come at shit in bad faith so what is even the point of pretending like they're there for a rigorous debate of their stances. Just dumbing down every damn conversation. Low bars.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostYou can't argue with people who come at shit in bad faith so what is even the point of pretending like they're there for a rigorous debate of their stances.
The best part of that interview was exposing the fact that Shapiro never enters a conversation in good fait tho.
By Fenderputty Go To PostThe best part of that interview was exposing the fact that Shapiro never enters a conversation in good fait tho.But his faithful already know that
We already knew this shit. It won't change the minds of people who already like him. They don't care. They only like how he makes others rage.
If it weren't for you guys I wouldn't even know who the fuck he is. That's how it usually goes too. No such thing as bad publicity, etc
If only the people following fuckwits like... basically everyone on the right... were a very small minority.
Oh well. It's Friday night, people. Hydrate.
Oh well. It's Friday night, people. Hydrate.
I'm only comforted by the growing young faction within the Democratic party whose chief goal is to shift the Overton Window rather than keep their corporate donor bag by shaking hands with Nazis
Creating the "radical" talking points is what's helping. Platforms are what's important.
Creating the "radical" talking points is what's helping. Platforms are what's important.
By DY_nasty Go To PostIf it weren't for you guys I wouldn't even know who the fuck he is. That's how it usually goes too. No such thing as bad publicity, etc
This is true, the only reason I know who he is, was because of his original never trump stance being broadcast post 2016. Like I said I fundamentally agree, but I feel he's past the point of "just don't give him exposure".
Anyway ... seems our China talks went about as well as our NK ones.
By Not Go To PostI'm only comforted by the growing young faction within the Democratic party whose chief goal is to shift the Overton Window rather than keep their corporate donor bag by shaking hands with Nazis
Creating the "radical" talking points is what's helping. Platforms are what's important.
I think that's what scares me most about Shaprio. He targets young people. Goes to campus speaking events on the reg and then shits on campuses (successfully I might add) that do try and DE platform him. So in the instance where a college does try and stop him, he ends up making the college look stupid after they acquiesce under the guise of free speech.
By Not Go To PostI'm only comforted by the growing young faction within the Democratic party whose chief goal is to shift the Overton Window rather than keep their corporate donor bag by shaking hands with Nazis
Creating the "radical" talking points is what's helping. Platforms are what's important.
Taking the temperature vs. changing the thermostat, as AOC put it.
By Fenderputty Go To PostI just don't know how to deal with a dude like Shapiro.
You just gotta believe in something more than he believes in something, and then get proper good at framing questions.
He actually could’ve been embarrassed further, but the interviewer was mostly trash. Wasted opportunity, really.
By Smoke Dogg Go To PostYou just gotta believe in something more than he believes in something, and then get proper good at framing questions.
He actually could’ve been embarrassed further, but the interviewer was mostly trash. Wasted opportunity, really.
The Interviewer was as good as it gets really...
You're not gonna get guys like Shapiro to commit to specific definitive answers, they're always just begging the question, dodging specific legislative solutions and deflecting to a new subject. You can't debate the finer points of someone's argument if they never existed.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostYou're not gonna get guys like Shapiro to commit to specific definitive answers, they're always just begging the question, dodging specific legislative solutions and deflecting to a new subject. You can't debate the finer points of someone's argument if they never existed.talk about what I have said in the past 5 years bruh
Found a copy of the New Statesman in the pub. What a load of shite that publication is. Helen Lewis, now of the Atlantic, one of the WOAT pundits.
By blackace Go To Posttalk about what I have said in the past 5 years bruhI forgot they just flat out lie about historical fact too but if you're not a historian you can't necessarily catch them on that shit either.
By Punished Go To PostFound a copy of the New Statesman in the pub. What a load of shite that publication is. Helen Lewis, now of the Atlantic, one of the WOAT pundits.Punditry, especially from the right is typically the same ol' I came into a bunch of money let me tell you how to live and my opinions on things in spite of never having to worry about my healthcare, my next check or my living situation.
By Random Ass UsernamePunditry, especially from the right is typically the same ol' I came into a bunch of money let me tell you how to live and my opinions on things in spite of never having to worry about my healthcare, my next check or my living situation.It's ostensibly centre-left but this article on TERF being a slur equivalent to anti-Semitism was particularly egregious. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2019/05/welcome-age-ironic-bigotry-where-old-hatreds-are-cloaked-woke-new-language
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI forgot they just flat out lie about historical fact too but if you're not a historian you can't necessarily catch them on that shit either.
Punditry, especially from the right is typically the same ol' I came into a bunch of money let me tell you how to live and my opinions on things in spite of never having to worry about my healthcare, my next check or my living situation.
Shapiro specifically argues a point off a premise he establishes as fact, but that premise is often not fact even if the following argument is sound. An example would be when he claims science for his abortion views as though science agrees that life starts at the point of conception (it doesn’t). I’ve seen him argue about healthcare off the “fact” that healthcare is elastic (it’s not).
Like I said I think he scares me the most because he’s going after youth and efforts to deplatform him have failed miserably for colleges.
He’s what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like
By Punished Go To PostIt's ostensibly centre-left but this article on TERF being a slur equivalent to anti-Semitism was particularly egregious. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2019/05/welcome-age-ironic-bigotry-where-old-hatreds-are-cloaked-woke-new-languageThis article is so hilarious she takes one guy calling her a terf (a hit dog will holler) and extends it to an entire movement.
By Fenderputty Go To PostShapiro specifically argues a point off a premise he establishes as fact, but that premise is often not fact even if the following argument is sound. An example would be when he claims science for his abortion views as though science agrees that life starts at the point of conception (it doesn’t). I’ve seen him argue about healthcare off the “fact” that healthcare is elastic (it’s not).If you press someone like him on their OG premise they just jump off to a new subject or start asking you questions back.
Like I said I think he scares me the most because he’s going after youth and efforts to deplatform him have failed miserably for colleges.
He’s what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like
By blackace Go To PostBasically
I always wonder how much of the shit these dudes shovel they actually believe themselves. Cause he’s not stupid. He understands his audience and knows the logical flaws he throwing at people. Gritin’ is good right now.
Has it ever not been good for his type? If this was some years ago he'd just be one of those cult leaders who has a big ass expensive house while his followers toil.