By DY_nasty Go To Posthe does nothing better than ANY of the 1st round SGs taken last year lolBut Zach LaVine went in the first round last year.
By rodeoclown Go To PostBut Zach LaVine went in the first round last year.Zach can dribble though. Booker with the ball is about as dangerous as an Atlanta playoff team.
By Moris Go To PostI just think OKC is better off reaching for a SG/SF who could either start at the 2 or be the 6th man (a la Harden). If the PG is 'too good' you end up in another Reggie Jackson situation.That's great if it works out that way, but you have to try to draft the best available player that fits your needs.
Basically the PG has to fall in a very small window where they can help off the bench, but aren't good enough to start or have aspirations as a starter. A wing on the other hand could blossom into a starting quality player and still not need to be moved to another team.
And if Cam Payne turns out to be Reggie good, it'll be a great pick even if he ends up leaving down the road. We were able to parlay Reggie and Perk's expiring into Kanter, Augustin and Singler.
I'm OK with taking Oubre too, but he reminds me a little too much of Lamb.
By psychintellect Go To PostForgot the link my bad.Thanks.
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/jared-dudley-says-most-guys-dont-want-to-play-with-kobe/#fzbIBMW52goe0xTF.97
I like Rashad Vaughn and Rakeem Christmas at 27/34 but I'd love to move up to snag Hollis-Jefferson. We really shouldn't be counting on Okafor/Randle/Black to be our big man rotation of the future and assume Clarkson continues to improve.
But with all those young guys who with the exception of Black, can't defend worth a damn. I like the idea of trying to bolster the SF spot with someone who has a lot of upside on the defensive end rather than get a volume scoring SG with a knee injury and a C that'll be buried in the rotation.
But with all those young guys who with the exception of Black, can't defend worth a damn. I like the idea of trying to bolster the SF spot with someone who has a lot of upside on the defensive end rather than get a volume scoring SG with a knee injury and a C that'll be buried in the rotation.
By KingGondo Go To PostThat's great if it works out that way, but you have to try to draft the best available player that fits your needs.
And if Cam Payne turns out to be Reggie good, it'll be a great pick even if he ends up leaving down the road. We were able to parlay Reggie and Perk's expiring into Kanter, Augustin and Singler.
I'm OK with taking Oubre too, but he reminds me a little too much of Lamb.
OKC is one of the few teams in the first round who actually should be drafting for position and not 'best available' tho. Dekker and Hollis-Jefferson aren't projected that much further away than Cam and would probably have a bigger impact sooner since they have the toolsets to defend unlike all your other smallforwards and guards.
You guys got KD/YN/Ibaka that's a reliable 60-70 points a game, you don't need to keep looking to bolster the offense, you need to get guys who can stop the other team from scoring.
By Moris Go To PostOKC is one of the few teams in the first round who actually should be drafting for position and not 'best available' tho. Dekker and Hollis-Jefferson aren't projected that much further away than Cam and would probably have a bigger impact sooner since they have the toolsets to defend unlike all your other smallforwards and guards.The point is that nobody in the draft is going to help us much immediately. Maybe not even if we were in the top 5.
You guys got KD/YN/Ibaka that's a reliable 60-70 points a game, you don't need to keep looking to bolster the offense, you need to get guys who can stop the other team from scoring.
Our defense has been good for the last 5 years except the end of last season. I'm willing to bet that had more to do with KD and Ibaka's absences than the losses of Perk and Thabo. I also expect Donovan to implement a much smarter defensive system that focuses on limiting 3s and shots at the rim. His Florida teams have been consistently stellar on defense.
Anyways, I trust Presti most of all when it comes to the draft. If he loves Cam Payne then there's a pretty good chance he'll be a player in the league for quite some time.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostWhat is everyones opinion of jerian grant?
Solid player. Can play the 1/2. I wish my Celtics take a look a him but it seem we will either trade up or draft Bobby Port is. Both options fine with me.
My sleeper pick is Trey Lyes...I like his game.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postwhy on earth would the celtics look at more guards
Just in measure AB get shipped and/or James Young don't develop.
By Moris Go To PostCult of Presti is gonna kill you Gondo.It's not a cult, his drafting record is pretty damn impeccable.
Prove me wrong.
if you don't go to another strip club or commit a single troll for a month, you might, MAYBE, could avoid drafting J.P Tokoto at 9
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postwhy on earth would the celtics look at more guardsPhoenix East
By KingGondo Go To PostIt's not a cult, his drafting record is pretty damn impeccable.Cole Aldrich? Probably the only one.
Prove me wrong.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postif you don't go to another strip club or commit a single troll for a month, you might, MAYBE, could avoid drafting J.P Tokoto at 9i'm just a man
I like how DY is acting like Clifford will play whoever the fuck they take anyway. Jason Maxiel shouldn't even be in the league let alone get major minutes.
By rodeoclown Go To PostCole Aldrich? Probably the only one.Yep. That's the only major blemish.
By KingGondo Go To PostIt's not a cult, his drafting record is pretty damn impeccable.He gets no credit for KD, it was consensus.
Prove me wrong.
Carl Landry, Glen Davis ahead of Marc Gasol. Then flipped Landry for cash and a draft pick that never played a game in the NBA.
Westbrook and Serge were great picks. Harden as well. Rodrigue Beaubois ahead of Taj Gibson, DeMarre Carroll, Danny Green, Patty Mills. Bledsoe was a pick made for The Clips.
PG3 ahead of Draymond Green, Khris MIddleton.
Adams ahead of Giannis, Schroder, Gobert
Goodwin/Abrines ahead of ...well that draft was weak at that point, no real stand outs have emerged 29 on.
More than anything, Presti got his players (sans Serge) from high picks, which he deserves some credit for since we've seen other teams whiff a bunch on high picks, but players outside of that have been middling and were sleected before much better players. To top off his GM skills, he makes treadwater/setback trades.
By Moris Go To PostMore than anything, Presti got his players (sans Serge) from high picks, players outside of that have been middling and were sleected before much better players. To top off his GM skills, he makes treadwater/setback trades.I agree KD shouldn't count, and you seriously can't fault Presti for missing on Draymond Green, Marc Gasol, Gobert, Carroll, Middleton, or other sleepers when the rest of the league did too.
A lot of the players you listed never played for the Sonics/Thunder: Glen Davis, Beaubois, and Goodwin were traded on draft night.
Look at the successes he's had with guys who were picked throughout the first round.
Westbrook (selected far ahead of the consensus--he was projected around 10th)
Ibaka (picked in the 20s)
Harden
Jackson (picked in the 20s)
Adams (one of the best players in that draft, selected 12th overall)
McGary (looks very promising, again selected in the 20s)
The only really bad pick was trading up for Aldrich.
I don't know if you can ding GMs for passing on dudes who fell to the second round or late 1st. After the lottery it becomes an even bigger crapshoot and a lot of dudes fall for good reasons. Draymond came out of MSU as an undersize, meh shooting big...no one really thought he'd be more than a solid rotation player and not the defensive player of the year canidate he became. Danny Green was best know for that dancing LeBron gif than his actual play before Pops saved his career...same for Mills. Marc Gasol was a fat out of shape bum living off of his brother's name before getting it together. Middleton was a short stretch 4 who played at Texas A&M and never won shit...IIRC people thought he was drafted too high at 35. Adams over Giannis is also not that bad considering how Raw Giannis STILL is..that and Adams is a solid starting big...its not like he's a bum.
Ding him for the Harden trade but really his draft record is solid.
Ding him for the Harden trade but really his draft record is solid.
I'll also note that Abrines has looked really solid for Barca and they're trying to lock him up with a high buyout.
Agreed sleeper picks are just that sleepers. If over 20 scouts passed you and you develop into a superior player the signs weren't there prior to the draft.
I don't consider Giannis a sleeper though. There was a shit ton of talk about his upside before he was drafted.
I don't consider Giannis a sleeper though. There was a shit ton of talk about his upside before he was drafted.
https://twitter.com/SeanDeveney/status/603670541849915392
Welp its damn near official Thibs is out of Chicago
Welp its damn near official Thibs is out of Chicago
Even if you want Thibs gone, the FO has handled this horribly. It was hard enough getting star players after MJ and Scottie left, now I fear it will be near impossible to get a good well known coach. It goes all the way back to Reinsdorf and the way he runs things. These days, it's supposedly Michael Reinsdorf, his son. It appears that he runs things the same way with secrecy and my way or the high way to anyone not named GarPax.
It was time for Thibs to go if only for a hopeful last gasp from that team before the have to tear it down. Hopefully a new voice does that...
however, the way they went about doing it was pretty shitty.
however, the way they went about doing it was pretty shitty.
-Mitch had a bad back and couldn't play D.
-Adams was raw as fuck, couldn't move in the post and struggled to fucking dribble and was a shit defensive rebounder.
Yea, taking them makes you look awesome if they pan out buuuut
PJ3 was just 7 spots ahead of Draymond and a certified bum after his shitty second year in college.
Adams was 3 spots ahead of Giannis who is about equally raw to Adams but better defensively.
These weren't Marc Gasol type sleepers, they had just as much upside as the guys who went before them and Presti missed out on them.
Point being Presit's draft record is very far from 'faultless'.
-Adams was raw as fuck, couldn't move in the post and struggled to fucking dribble and was a shit defensive rebounder.
Yea, taking them makes you look awesome if they pan out buuuut
PJ3 was just 7 spots ahead of Draymond and a certified bum after his shitty second year in college.
Adams was 3 spots ahead of Giannis who is about equally raw to Adams but better defensively.
These weren't Marc Gasol type sleepers, they had just as much upside as the guys who went before them and Presti missed out on them.
Point being Presit's draft record is very far from 'faultless'.
Draymond wasn't shit before this gear though. Only pilon beloved in him iirc.
I wouldn't say Gianni's is better defensively because Adams has the goon element. Giannis definitely looks like he should be better though.
I wouldn't say Gianni's is better defensively because Adams has the goon element. Giannis definitely looks like he should be better though.
By psychintellect Go To PostDraymond wasn't shit before this gear though. Only pilon beloved in him iirc.Draymond has been better than Perry Jones since last season, he's just A LOT better this year. Perry Jones is busted.
I wouldn't say Gianni's is better defensively because Adams has the goon element. Giannis definitely looks like he should be better though.
By #FreeRBK Go To PostMoris is yet again reaching. Not surprising.You're going to the top of the list of 'assholes who don't know what 'impeccable' means'
By Moris Go To PostDraymond has been better than Perry Jones since last season, he's just A LOT better this year. Perry Jones is busted.
his injury isses were known before he was drafted but he has put up some crazy games before he got injured again.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Posthis injury isses were known before he was drafted but he has put up some crazy games before he got injured again.Yea, he was red flagged pre-draft due to his knee. Draymond will be entering his prime when PJ3 will likely be hurt or out of the league.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostWhat is everyones opinion of jerian grant?
think he will contribute from day 1 and could blossom into a borderline all-star
By Moris Go To Post-Mitch had a bad back and couldn't play D.Everybody looks like an idiot for passing on Draymond.
-Adams was raw as fuck, couldn't move in the post and struggled to fucking dribble and was a shit defensive rebounder.
Yea, taking them makes you look awesome if they pan out buuuut
PJ3 was just 7 spots ahead of Draymond and a certified bum after his shitty second year in college.
Adams was 3 spots ahead of Giannis who is about equally raw to Adams but better defensively.
These weren't Marc Gasol type sleepers, they had just as much upside as the guys who went before them and Presti missed out on them.
Point being Presit's draft record is very far from 'faultless'.
Giannis would have made sense if we didn't already have a dude named Kevin Durant. Our center rotation was ass at the time. Adams played major positive playoff minutes his rookie season and started his second. He's still only 21. Regardless of who was taken after, it was a good pick for #12, especially in that draft.
I mean, if your big criticism of a guy is that he passed on Draymond Green and Rudy Gobert, maybe his record is actually pretty damn good.
At this point you're not pointing out legitimate mistakes, you're just nitpicking.
By Moris Go To PostYou can't get mad at nit picking when you declare your GM's draft history as flawless.basically
even isiah drafted balkman
Just posted by Adrian Wojnarowski:l
Im ok with this!
Sources: Pelicans interview Jeff Van Gundy for coaching vacancy
The New Orleans Pelicans’ coaching search is gathering momentum, a process that included a formal interview Tuesday with Jeff Van Gundy, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Van Gundy, one of the NBA’s top available coaches, and New Orleans officials met in the Bay Area to discuss the opening. The sides had spoken over the phone, but this was the first face-to-face meeting, league sources said.
Im ok with this!
JVG feels kind of random, despite him being a semi-big name. It's not the direction I expected them to go in.
By Jonm Go To PostIm ok with this!
I'm not.
By etiolation Go To PostJVG feels kind of random, despite him being a semi-big name. It's not the direction I expected them to go in.JVG/Thibs is a packaged deal.
By etiolation Go To PostJVG feels kind of random, despite him being a semi-big name. It's not the direction I expected them to go in.
Firstly I think JVG initially approached us first. At least according to the media.
There has been a lot of articles up here written about potential coaches, including JVG. He interests me the more I've read.
JVG has good league connections and a an eye for coaching talent so he can build a quality staff(an underrated talent) and he seems very up to date on modern offenses(my biggest fear) and always had good defenses, our biggest weakness with Monty.... Then again his defenses had Thibs coaching them.
And honestly. If you're drafting early you get a pass for missing sleepers, every teams scouts didn't place them high enough to consider with your pick. But if you miss a sleeper by a couple picks...nah. You had extra time to evaluate them and still passed.
By DY_nasty Go To PostI think JVG is a really good hire. He seemed to at least want to try and adapt during his last gig.Can you elaborate? His philosophy of adapting to the roster and the competition was one of the pluses I saw in looking into him. What was the issue in Houston? Other then the obvious.
By Jonm Go To PostCan you elaborate? His philosophy of adapting to the roster and the competition was one of the pluses I saw in looking into him. What was the issue in Houston? Other then the obvious.He really didn't adapt at all. He was clinging on to later 90s ball harder than every other coach in the league outside of Larry Brown.