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By Moris Go To PostLakers will be bad, and that's ok. They won't be painful to watch but they lack depth and talent. There are a few teams who will trend downward, but there seem to be just as many who will trend upward and above LA.


Nick Young and Meeks had career years too

I'm totally fine with them being bad but watchable. It's what I expect. 30-35 wins is where I'd imagine they'd be without knowing the specific offseason moves. That's a bad team but not dumpster fire bad. All they have to do is trend up, demonstrate they have foundational pieces, make a few good offseason signings, and then in 2016 they can make a big splash. It's all I ask for.

I'm just saying there's no reason to believe they keep their pick next season. I mean, the only way to believe they'll land a top 3 pick is to have a bottom 2 record. 3rd worst record lands outside the top 3 over 50% of the time. It's just no realistic to even think about. Last year being bottom 5 had a good chance.

Wonder what's going to happen with my team, I like most of 'em, in before we get some douchebag.

didn't realize the lakers had a team option for Jordan hill.
That's $10m off the books.
bring in Jimmer, Mitch!

By db Go To PostWonder what's going to happen with my team, I like most of 'em, in before we get some douchebag.

LMA is so going to Dallas.

Knicks lottery viewing party reaction.

By K@do Go To Postdidn't realize the lakers had a team option for Jordan hill.
That's $10m off the books.
bring in Jimmer, Mitch!

LMA is so going to Dallas.

With Hill and Sacre not exercised, Lakers have roughly $22 million in cap space after all holds (including #2 and #27 pick). Kobe, Young, #2, #27, Clarkson, Kelly, Randle only players on the team so far. edit: Forgot about Black and Jabari who they'll likely keep.

By K@do Go To PostLMA is so going to Dallas.

Over SA?

I dunno bro.

By db Go To PostOver SA?

I dunno bro.

SA can get LMA but it isn't easy. It requires a lot of things to happen. Spurs don't have cap space without retirements and/or new contracts. And if Kawhi signs with anyone right away, pretty much closes that door (not saying he will, just that it's the case).

By Mamba Go To PostSA can get LMA but it isn't easy. It requires a lot of things to happen. Spurs don't have cap space without retirements and/or new contracts. And if Kawhi signs with anyone right away, pretty much closes that door (not saying he will, just that it's the case).

This much is true. I hope he stays but I'm not holding my breath.

LMA doesn't fit into how The Spurs play. Marc Gasol does.

By Mamba Go To PostI'm just saying there's no reason to believe they keep their pick next season. I mean, the only way to believe they'll land a top 3 pick is to have a bottom 2 record. 3rd worst record lands outside the top 3 over 50% of the time. It's just no realistic to even think about. Last year being bottom 5 had a good chance.

It's unreasonable but far from impossible. They only had a 12% chance to get #2, if they're around 6 they'll have better odds than that to get into the top 3 next lotto. It's not likely, but not totally unreasonable.

So who's gonna talk me into Kaminsky or Dekker?

By DominicanPower Go To PostI'd trade the 4th pick for Lawson and the 7th pick.

I'm ok with this. Fuck Lawson.

By Mamba Go To PostI'm totally fine with them being bad but watchable. It's what I expect. 30-35 wins is where I'd imagine they'd be without knowing the specific offseason moves. That's a bad team but not dumpster fire bad. All they have to do is trend up, demonstrate they have foundational pieces, make a few good offseason signings, and then in 2016 they can make a big splash. It's all I ask for.

I'm just saying there's no reason to believe they keep their pick next season. I mean, the only way to believe they'll land a top 3 pick is to have a bottom 2 record. 3rd worst record lands outside the top 3 over 50% of the time. It's just no realistic to even think about. Last year being bottom 5 had a good chance.

You honestly, really think, that lakers roster is getting 30 - 35 wins?

This is some knicks level delusional ish.

By giririsss Go To PostYou honestly, really think, that lakers roster is getting 30 - 35 wins?

This is some knicks level delusional ish.

Actually, I can see it. Nothing kills a team quite like the complete lack of an interior. If Randle is half as good as Mitch thinks he is... combined with Okafor or Towns, they'll at least be able to rebound and end some possessions. Clarkson is a good player too. I don't think 30 wins is unrealistic. A lot of that depends on Kobe though.

I got LA at about 30 wins, give or take a game. 'Good' enough for a 7th round pick to Phillly, but a chance to sneak into the top 3.

By DY_nasty Go To PostActually, I can see it. Nothing kills a team quite like the complete lack of an interior. If Randle is half as good as Mitch thinks he is… combined with Okafor or Towns, they'll at least be able to rebound and end some possessions. Clarkson is a good player too. I don't think 30 wins is unrealistic. A lot of that depends on Kobe though.

So they'll have 2 rookie bigs. One working his way back into the game after having a broken leg, followed by foot surgery, in the same year. The other a whole lot of who knows.
Kobe, who has played 41 games in his last 2 seasons. And was terrible last year.
Clarkson, whom someone may actually watch tape on this year.
Nick Young who cant stay healthy either and was trying to out terrible even kobe last year.

They won't have a "bigs" presence. Rookie bigs foul like crazy, and they'll essentially have two of them. And then the roster is pretty bare.

I've got em at 20 games, at the top end. And that's if Kobe stays healthy.

By giririsss Go To PostSo they'll have 2 rookie bigs. One working his way back into the game after having a broken leg, followed by foot surgery, in the same year. The other a whole lot of who knows.
Kobe, who has played 41 games in his last 2 seasons. And was terrible last year.
Clarkson, whom someone may actually watch tape on this year.
Nick Young who cant stay healthy either and was trying to out terrible even kobe last year.

They won't have a "bigs" presence. Rookie bigs foul like crazy, and they'll essentially have two of them. And then the roster is pretty bare.

I've got em at 20 games, at the top end. And that's if Kobe stays healthy.

would have liked to see kobe in the playoffs one last time.

Kemba, Noel, and the #9 for the #4 + Galloway

just stfu and take it ny

By giririsss Go To PostSo they'll have 2 rookie bigs. One working his way back into the game after having a broken leg, followed by foot surgery, in the same year. The other a whole lot of who knows.
Kobe, who has played 41 games in his last 2 seasons. And was terrible last year.
Clarkson, whom someone may actually watch tape on this year.
Nick Young who cant stay healthy either and was trying to out terrible even kobe last year.

They won't have a "bigs" presence. Rookie bigs foul like crazy, and they'll essentially have two of them. And then the roster is pretty bare.

I've got em at 20 games, at the top end. And that's if Kobe stays healthy.

Kobe being healthy is the problem lol

but the recent trend of guys who sit for their entire rookie year seems to indicate that randle will be able to do okay.

mainly tho... the ability to rebound and end possessions is huge. its the easiest way to tank imo. to fundamentally break your team so that even if they show out they still can't do shit. all they need is a solid 20+ minutes from each and they'll have a massively improved interior. its sacre and kelly in the paint ffs

By Moris Go To PostIt's unreasonable but far from impossible. They only had a 12% chance to get #2, if they're around 6 they'll have better odds than that to get into the top 3 next lotto. It's not likely, but not totally unreasonable.

Weird way to compare the math. Yes, the Lakers ended up #2 but they only had a "decent" percentage to land the 5th pick (35%). 3rd was 13%, 1st and 2nd were 12%, 6th was 16%, and 4th was 10%. Basically, if not 5th, about equal odds any other spot. The key was they had a over a 35% chance of landing in the top 3. over 1 out of 3 times. At 6th it's like 20%.

Not going to say it's impossible. We've seen the best lotto team get the #1 pick more than once. It happens. I just don't think there's a good chance the team keeps a top 3 pick and there's no reason to go into the season thinking they will is all I'm saying. And FWIW, the #2 worst team will miss a top 3 pick almost half the time, so at top 3 protection, it's really not worth thinking about right now.

By giririsss Go To PostYou honestly, really think, that lakers roster is getting 30 - 35 wins?

This is some knicks level delusional ish.

Depending on the specific offseason moves, I think it can happen. I mean, if they sign Rondo, then no, it won't happen. But if they make good signings (was hoping Carroll before the injury sigh), it's definitely doable. The key is what happens with that $22+ mil in cap space.

Clarkson, Kobe, Carroll, Randle, Okafor/Towns with maybe a Danny Green, Nick Young, and some backup big (Ed Davis staying somehow would be awesome). Not saying this happens at all but it's just an idea that is feasible.

You put them at 20 wins. That seems insane given that Okafor/Towns instantly becomes their best big, most of their players were hurt, and they still won 21 games this past year in a really tough West. To think they won't improve seems insane.

lol goddamn at that SAS rant.

By Mamba Go To PostYou put them at 20 wins. That seems insane given that Okafor/Towns instantly becomes their best big, most of their players were hurt, and they still won 21 games this past year in a really tough West. To think they won't improve seems insane.

Getting 20wins is the defalt. NY got 17, PHI 18, MIN 16. 20 wins isn't an achievement at all. It's not an indication that the squad as potential, or .... anything positive. You genuinely have to TRY to lose less.

And now adding a rookie big is meant to add 10wins?

The last big that did anything in their rookie year was blake. And that was his "rookie" year. They had an arguably better, or at least, on par back court with this iteration of the lakers. And that team went from 29wins in 9-10 to 32 in 10-11.

Blake put up 22 & 12 that year.

As I said, some Knicks-ish.

By reilo Go To Postlol goddamn at that SAS rant.

lol. so good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=69&v=3P2psbKAM1I

By reilo Go To Postlol goddamn at that SAS rant.

One of his best ever, no question.

High quality: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12919379

I don't think Gasol is going to leave Memphis.

I predict LMA signs with the Spurs and the Clippers sign-and-trade Jordan to Dallas for Tyson Chandler.

I found the funniest part of that First Take video is Larry Brown hype about Mudiay

Because top 3 nba prospects always look at SMU

Lol fuk outta here

I'll be with you soon. Loser bros.

Being told that the Lakers will be pursuing Tom Thibodeau. Byron Scott has just the one year left. Lakers would be paying four head coaches.

— Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report)

Kobe and Randle injured 3 weeks into the season.

Paying 4 coaches at the same time.....

By reilo Go To Postlol goddamn at that SAS rant.

SAS is a clown for that. Since when is 4th in a deep draft some kind of disaster?

By psychintellect Go To PostPaying 4 coaches at the same time…..

Doesn't seem far fetched considering the coke binges the man is on.

By masud Go To PostSAS is a clown for that. Since when is 4th in a deep draft some kind of disaster?

It isn't, but it's good for ratings.

By #rvy34 Go To PostKobe and Randle injured 3 weeks into the season.

Kobe and Thibadeau? They'll either kill each other or kill everyone else on the team for failing to meet their obsessive standards.

Next season is going to be something else for the Knicks. No tanking excuses, no pick to fall back on...just...ashes

A potential core of Mudiay/Monroe/Melo should be somewhat competitive right?

By RBK Go To PostA potential core of Mudiay/Monroe/Melo should be somewhat competitive right?

Maybe good enough for a late playoff spot in the East. Maybe.

Probably not though.

Monroe and Melo? Defensive stopping tandem right there.

By RBK Go To PostA potential core of Mudiay/Monroe/Melo should be somewhat competitive right?

Somewhat, wed still have another 10 mil to spend in that senario too. Fuck Monroe though.

If you're Memphis, do you keep Marc and Z Bo together? That tandem just isn't getting it done in the post season.

Trading Marc for the chance to draft Mario seems like a good idea for a team in need of 3 point shooting and an upgrade over Jeff Green and Tony Allen offensively.

Edit: of course, there are a good amount of top tier bigs in this years FA. So keeping the pick and drafting Mario plus signing either LMA or Love might be a better fit.

By masud Go To PostSAS is a clown for that. Since when is 4th in a deep draft some kind of disaster?

I get the feeling you didn't actually watch the video.

Losing the 2nd pick (which the Knicks had the highest chance of getting) was just the cherry on top of a shit sundae since Phil Jackson got there.

And to be perfectly honest, I feel like there's quite a significant drop off in sure thing star players after the Top 3 in this draft where everyone else is solid role player status at best with potential and upside.

Knicks fans have every right to be losing their minds.

By SamuraiX- Go To PostI get the feeling you didn't actually watch the video.

Losing the 2nd pick (which the Knicks had the highest chance of getting) was just the cherry on top of a shit sundae since Phil Jackson got there.

And to be perfectly honest, I feel like there's quite a significant drop off in sure thing star players after the Top 3 in this draft where everyone else is solid role player status at best with potential and upside.

Knicks fans have every right to be losing their minds.

I'm no Phil Jackson guy but he spent this season tearing down the crap team he was given so he could put together his own roster this off season. To judge him before he gets a chance to do that is stupid. And a lot of the critisism against Jackson (from SAS and others) is ass backwards anyways. Dumping Tyson, Shumpert and JR wasn't the problem. Sucking this season and getting the best pick the Knicks have had in 20 years in a deep draft wasn't the problem. No not tratnng Melo and signing him to that crazy deal was the problem. If Jackson fails to put a good team around Melo then I will be first in line to shit on him, but I'm going to let him try first. And the idea of this being a 3 player draft is so off base I'm not even going to address it.

Something has me thinking Okafor has the potential of being a bust all over him...then again I don't watch college sports until bowl games/March Madness so it's a uneducated opinion.

Mudiay is going to be John Wall 2.0.

By RBK Go To PostSomething has me thinking Okafor has the potential of being a bust all over him…then again I don't watch college sports until bowl games/March Madness so it's a uneducated opinion.

Mudiay is going to be John Wall 2.0.

Do people not watchJohn Wall? He's one of the most instinctive passers with elite court vision. He came into the league with that. Mudiay is nowhere near him as a creator.

By #rvy34 Go To PostBeing told that the Lakers will be pursuing Tom Thibodeau. Byron Scott has just the one year left. Lakers would be paying four head coaches.

— Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report)

the first thing i read...

Lakers fans enraged over the thought of replacing Scott with Thibs

Truly a new world we live in

By Dark PhaZe Go To PostDo people not watch John Wall? He's one of the most instinctive passers with elite court vision. He came into the league with that. Mudiay is nowhere near him as a creator.

Russell Westbrook 2.0? The Tyreke Evans comparison isn't too far off if the BBIQ is on the same level.

I was just thinking about athleticism and court speed.

By K@do Go To Postthe first thing i read…

Bad hire considering the current situation.

By psychintellect Go To PostPaying 4 coaches at the same time…..

Who is this Jordan Schultz? Did he even do some basic research?
Both Mike Brown and Antoni contracts were 3 years. Mike Brown 11-12 till 13-14. Antoni: 12-13 till 14-15.
Clown journalist.

Edit: Apparently this clown corrected himself on Twitter but even the correction is wrong. LMAO.

Considering Thibs chooses to ignore the fact that benches exist in the NBA, Kobe will probably be averaging 45 minutes a night under him.

isn't thibs under contract still anyways?
I like that Bulls management is willing to ditch Thibs now (good on them), but hate the idea of him in LA.
But you know kobe is salivating at the idea already,
he's probably talking to Thibs now on how to manage playing 45mins a game.

Thibs injuring Kobe in the first 15 games will probably be better for us, and I like Kobe. Also ... I don't really care about timing. If you can get a Thibs in place of a Scott, you do it.

I also don't give a shit about the amount of money our FO drops on coaches. Forget that the math was wrong anyway. Brown wasn't my favorite choice, but whatever. While D'antoni wasn't my favorite either, it kinda made sense with Nash coming and the supposed pick and roll nightmare dwight was supposed to pose with him. Scott was a perfect placeholder hire for an upset fanbase during a tank. I was hoping the plan was always to replace him anyway.

Lakers would play D with Thibs, but he'd run down any squad easily.