Winslow is easily the safest pick for the Knicks. Maybe even Hezonja.
I'd go nowhere near Mudiay personally. I mean, what the fuck does anyone know about Mudiay?
I'd go nowhere near Mudiay personally. I mean, what the fuck does anyone know about Mudiay?
Not just Rubio and Pekovic coming back, but the Wolves power forward spot won't be a trash heap next year, either. Not even counting whatever they get from Garnett (is it too much to hope for ~1000 minutes?), Bjelica will be a good stretch big for this team. Dude just won the Euroleague MVP, I'm legit excited about bringing him over.
By DY_nasty Go To PostYou can't play Cousins at PF defensively.
Offense? Sure. Cousins is probably the best offensive big in the league. You can't put him at 4 on defense and expect to win meaningful games.
You can have WCS guard stretch 4s on defense. I don't like Cousins guarding stretch 4s, but other PFs won't give him a lot of trouble on defense. He's defended Blake and AD well in the past. You're facing the Rockets? Cousins guards Howard. You're facing the Clippers? Cousins guards Blake. When WCS body improves, he can guard those guys as well. He's shown to be pretty good at fronting his man and denying passing angles in college.
By rodeoclown Go To PostNot just Rubio and Pekovic coming back, but the Wolves power forward spot won't be a trash heap next year, either. Not even counting whatever they get from Garnett (is it too much to hope for ~1000 minutes?), Bjelica will be a good stretch big for this team. Dude just won the Euroleague MVP, I'm legit excited about bringing him over.Any rumours of a possible trade for that #1 pick?
Lakers take Towns, trade him to NY for Amundson, Cole Aldrich and Knicks 2016 #4 pick.
Everybody wins.
Everybody wins.
By DominicanPower Go To PostI'd trade the 4th pick for Lawson and the 7th pick.Would be good for NY, still get a young guy might be good enough to be the future of the franchise, could still get Winslow who they are high on (if he's gone can still get Mario or WCS). It would make NY better sooner without completely mortgaging their future.
Lawson gonna go full-asshole in NY though, gonna get arrested at least once.
By K@do Go To PostAny rumours of a possible trade for that #1 pick?Flip said no way. I guess there was some rumor I didn't hear about the team moving Rubio and Flip emphatically denied that this morning, too. Why would they sign Rubio to 14m a year and then try and trade him? He's their best player! Who writes these things?
By The Frankman Go To PostLakers take Towns, trade him to NY for Amundson, Cole Aldrich and Knicks 2016 #4 pick.I don't get the Knicks game plan. They ditch amare, shrimp, jr, and prigs to tank,, knowing they sign melo to a max deal. Are they trying to reboot with a core of melo and a top 5 pick? It's better to trade #4 pick for a big that can play with melo now.
Everybody wins.
The Minnesota Timberwolves have openly mentioned the possibility of trading away the first overall pick.
Glen Taylor admitted it is unlikely, but not something they're prepared to rule out.
Taylor said it is something that will be “part of any conversation.”
“You never know what it could mean, if you could get the right one or two guys that could change your team,” Taylor said. “When you already have a bunch of young guys, you have to look at this type of stuff. But I think it's a very hard decision to make.”
The Wolves already have a young roster with several former lottery picks.
“We've got so many young guys,” Taylor said, “we would be better off not even being close to the lottery again.”
How about this: Clippers sign and trade DJordan to Minnesota, Minnesota gives Lakers the #1 pick or Towns, and Lakers give the Clippers the #2 pick. Or Clippers sign and trade DJ to the Lakers for the #2 pick. DJ to the Lakers is something I'd be down for and then sign Gasol who can play the 4. We good fam!
By Moris Go To PostThere might be less wins up top, but they should still be mostly above LA.I don't think Minnesota's future is as bright as people think. The first pick could change that, but it won't be next year. I think they're still bottom 5 team next season.
OKC and Utah should add more wins next season, AD potentially playing a whole season for Nola. Minnesota gonna add Rubio/Pek along with 2nd year Wiggins.
Sacramento, Denver, and maybe Phoenix only teams who could possibly be worse than LA as things stand atm. Off season could change that dramatically but thats how I see things right now
Regardless, you just admitted they're slotted at 12. Minnesota being worse wouldn't be a surprise, so all of a sudden they're 11. I did say 9-11.
Just to reiterate, it's a potential right now. The offseason moves will dictate the rest. The Lakers, as of right now, are a long shot to keep their top 3 pick.
Regardless, if they're better than just 3 teams out west and 4 teams out east, there's only a 10% chance they keep the pick. I wouldn't count on it.
By lovingsteam Go To PostHow about this: Clippers sign and trade DJordan to Minnesota, Minnesota gives Lakers the #1 pick or Towns, and Lakers give the Clippers the #2 pick. Or Clippers sign and trade DJ to the Lakers for the #2 pick. DJ to the Lakers is something I'd be down for and then sign Gasol who can play the 4. We good fam!
You do realize all the cap space would go to DJ, right?
Trading the pick would be the worst idea. This team is no competing for a title next year, you need good young guys on undervalued contracts.
By lovingsteam Go To PostHow about this: Clippers sign and trade DJordan to Minnesota, Minnesota gives Lakers the #1 pick or Towns, and Lakers give the Clippers the #2 pick. Or Clippers sign and trade DJ to the Lakers for the #2 pick. DJ to the Lakers is something I'd be down for and then sign Gasol who can play the 4. We good fam!f the clippers.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postidk bruh
its being the man for the damn Lakers with Kobe a year away from exile
my workout would be….unenthusiastic
They also have what happened to dwight, the fact that mitch promised a winner so there's a good chance they get traded, and a worse overall team. LA is LA, but basketball wise, it might not be the best destination.
By Truphenom Go To PostPlease, he's the reason most Knicks fans are complete retards. Let's blame Phil and don't say a word about Melo because you want to keep going to his parties. Melo coming back fucked the franchise up, can't win with him and can't tank properly cuz Melo needs to add another all star game to his belt. Now there's talk of trading the pick to get some aint shit player to pair with Melo cuz somehow we have a win mentality when that will just equate to another 1st or 2nd round flameout. But SAS can keep calling out Phil to give the promised magic beans instead of ask Melo to play D or Knicks fan to have some patience.
Phil hasn't been too good but his biggest mistake was giving that false superstar a super max with a no trade clause.
You can't even fix that shit team in 2k unless you have fantasy draft or trade override on.
Everything you said is factually incorrect.
Melo didn't get Melo that contract, Phil did.
Melo didn't trade Melo, Phil did by adding in the NTC..
Melo didn't mortgage the Knicks future to Melo, Phil did.
And it won't be Melo that trades the Pick, it will be Phil.
By Mamba Go To PostRegardless, you just admitted they're slotted at 12. Minnesota being worse wouldn't be a surprise, so all of a sudden they're 11. I did say 9-11.No I didn't. I said there are only 4 teams right now who could possibly be worse.
Just to reiterate, it's a potential right now. The offseason moves will dictate the rest. The Lakers, as of right now, are a long shot to keep their top 3 pick.
Regardless, if they're better than just 3 teams out west and 4 teams out east, there's only a 10% chance they keep the pick. I wouldn't count on it.
Rubio missed 60 games, Kevin Martin 43 games, Pek 49 games. Wiggins only put it together the last half of the season. Thinking MInnesota doesn't dramatically improve is quite insane.
If LA added Rubio, Kevin Martin and Pek would they not be much better?
I know there's not a great chance of keeping our pick next year, but there's no way they're fighting for a playoff spot in the west next season without a great FA pick up or Towns/Okafor are future GOATs and play at an extremely high level, it's lunacy.
Oh god, we're in ridiculous Lakers trade/FA fantasy territory. A fanbase that feels indignant that they didn't get Chris Paul in addition to Dwight Howard.
By etiolation Go To PostOh god, we're in ridiculous Lakers trade/FA fantasy territory. A fanbase that feels indignant that they didn't get Chris Paul in addition to Dwight Howard.that's nothing.
head on over to Lakersground.
they are discussing Signing Jimmer and Durant and title contend in 2 years.
By K@do Go To Postthat's nothing.
head on over to Lakersground.
they are discussing Signing Jimmer and Durant and title contend in 2 years.
Meh, I don't want Durant. He's forever damaged goods based on my good buddy Dr.H3ro.
I hate that this is like the 3rd offseason where I have to argue that LA is going to be bad in the upcoming season.
By Moris Go To PostNo I didn't. I said there are only 4 teams right now who could possibly be worse.Shabazz Muhammad missed, what, half the season, too. Presuming health, they should be much better.
Rubio missed 60 games, Kevin Martin 43 games, Pek 49 games. Wiggins only put it together the last half of the season. Thinking MInnesota doesn't dramatically improve is quite insane.
If LA added Rubio, Kevin Martin and Pek would they not be much better?
Towns/Okafor, Bjelica, Wiggins, Martin, Rubio with Pekovic, Garnett, Muhammad, Budinger (and presumably a backup point) off the bench. At the least, that's a competitive ball club.
I refuse to acknowledge LaVine's existence.
By Moris Go To PostNo I didn't. I said there are only 4 teams right now who could possibly be worse.
Rubio missed 60 games, Kevin Martin 43 games, Pek 49 games. Wiggins only put it together the last half of the season. Thinking MInnesota doesn't dramatically improve is quite insane.
If LA added Rubio, Kevin Martin and Pek would they not be much better?
I know there's not a great chance of keeping our pick next year, but there's no way they're fighting for a playoff spot in the west next season without a great FA pick up or Towns/Okafor are future GOATs and play at an extremely high level, it's lunacy.
Putting them around 11 spot doesn't mean they're really fighting for the playoffs. And no, I don't think that would be true with those players. I think Martin is a complete net negative, always have. Pek was shit last year and is always hurt. Then there's Rubio. I'm unconvinced he can be very good in the modern NBA. I hope he's good, but it's about time we find out.
I'd put money on the Lakers not keeping their pick next year. And if they do, it would be pure luck (also Rose), not from being a bottom 5 team.
Towns/Okafor, Bjelica, Wiggins, Martin, Rubio with Pekovic, Garnett, Muhammad, Budinger (and presumably a backup point) off the bench. At the least, that's a competitive ball club.
The only reason it might be is because Towns/Okafor. But that's also a lot to ask. I really don't like this team much. I wish it weren't true, Wolves fans deserve some hope, but I think this team needs a firesale.
By K@do Go To Postimo, okafor looks to be a better fit next to Peks,
while Towns seems to be a better fit next to Julius Randle.
then again, ive been dead wrong on prospects.
like many times.
Okafor and Randle would be a bad fit together
Towns would work fine with Pek
Lavine will be a beast, his percentage is very good last year with how supposed raw he is, if he had no promise at all he would posting Austin Rivers number.
By Moris Go To PostI hate that this is like the 3rd offseason where I have to argue that LA is going to be bad in the upcoming season.The teams going to be horrendous.
Injured Kobe coming back for his farewell tour is going to be hungover for every game.I mean, he was way below par last season, this? Could be hillarious.
Randle is coming back from a broken leg? And he's "fixing side issues like his foot". Sounds GREAT!
We're meant to believe this clakson kid is some shit?
Boozer is coming back.
Jordan Hill is a starter.
Wesley Johnson IS A STARTER.
Team could struggle to get to double digit win totals. I mean, if the other team shows up at the Arena, LA lost.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postman idk
centers are actually really easy to get nowadays–you have to practically be married to a bad idea not be able to acquire one these days–and the Randle/Okafor combo just has too much potential to be some of the worst front court defense you've ever seen in your life to really be comfortable with
I'd take Russell and see if I could move Randle too in some kind of package…because chances are he's bad.
there are like two dominate centers in the NBA so don't understand how centers are not at a premium
By Moris Go To PostI hate that this is like the 3rd offseason where I have to argue that LA is going to be bad in the upcoming season.How many more seasons you think?
By giririsss Go To PostThe teams going to be horrendous.
Injured Kobe coming back for his farewell tour is going to be hungover for every game.I mean, he was way below par last season, this? Could be hillarious.
Randle is coming back from a broken leg? And he's "fixing side issues like his foot". Sounds GREAT!
We're meant to believe this clakson kid is some shit?
Boozer is coming back.
Jordan Hill is a starter.
Wesley Johnson IS A STARTER.
Team could struggle to get to double digit win totals. I mean, if the other team shows up at the Arena, LA lost.
First off, who is arguing they'll be good? They just won't be 21 win bad.
Second, Boozer coming back? huh? And Jordan Hill is definitely not coming back. His option is going unused. Doubt Wes is back too.
The question is if Ed Davis will be back and who they bring in to replace the others.
Clarkson, Kobe, Young, Randle, Jabari, Black, Kelly, Towns/Okafor, 27th pick, are the only Lakers I expect on the team as of today. Everyone else will be a free agent (or 2nd rounder).
By fertygo Go To PostLavine will be a beast, his percentage is very good last year with how supposed raw he is, if he had no promise at all he would posting Austin Rivers number.
He going to be dope but Rodeo just hates him
Literally everything suggests Ricky Rubio is an excellent player. For his career, they're better offensively with him on the floor, they're much better on defense and their seasons straight died on the vine both times he got injured. In 2012, they were 21-20 when he tore his ACL. They limped to a 5-20 finish. Last year, 7-15 with him in the lineup. 9-51 when he didn't play.
I get it, he can't shoot and I'm the only one watching him closely for his career, but he's very good.
I get it, he can't shoot and I'm the only one watching him closely for his career, but he's very good.
By unknown Go To PostHow many more seasons you think?Barring a superstar FA signing, meaning we develop our guys and have average offseason acquisitions. In 2-3 seasons we should have making the playoffs as a realistic goal for the season.
By blackace Go To PostHe going to be dope but Rodeo just hates himHe wasn't good last year and I found his point guard play unwatchable.
But! I'm in a positive mood, so how about this? His catch and shoot number were pretty good and Flip has been talking in interviews today about how he's not going to play him at point guard anymore. Maybe he plays better when he gets to play with Rubio rather than replacing him. If all they want him to do is shoot spot up 3s or cut to the basket, it might not be terrible.
By Mamba Go To PostFirst off, who is arguing they'll be good? They just won't be 21 win bad.Jabari who? Brown?
Second, Boozer coming back? huh? And Jordan Hill is definitely not coming back. His option is going unused. Doubt Wes is back too.
The question is if Ed Davis will be back and who they bring in to replace the others.
Clarkson, Kobe, Young, Randle, Jabari, Black, Kelly, Towns/Okafor, 27th pick, are the only Lakers I expect on the team as of today. Everyone else will be a free agent (or 2nd rounder).
They're passing up Hill for 9M? Doubt it.
Cavs would throw more than 1.1M at Ed Davis, if they can.
The roster has less promise than philly.
They won't be 21 wins bad, they'll be worse. Which is fine, it will give kobe the 30 FGA he wants when it doesn't matter anyway.
By Mamba Go To PostFirst off, who is arguing they'll be good? They just won't be 21 win bad.
You said 9-11 seed, that's a high 30 to mid 40 number of wins. No way LA is anywhere near a .500 squad unless their rookie is unbelievably good.
W
But also rookie Westbrook won't do better than him last year.
By rodeoclown Go To PostHe wasn't good last year and I found his point guard play unwatchable.Lavine better suited as SG
But! I'm in a positive mood, so how about this? His catch and shoot number were pretty good and Flip has been talking in interviews today about how he's not going to play him at point guard anymore. Maybe he plays better when he gets to play with Rubio rather than replacing him. If all they want him to do is shoot spot up 3s or cut to the basket, it might not be terrible.
But also rookie Westbrook won't do better than him last year.
By rodeoclown Go To PostLiterally everything suggests Ricky Rubio is an excellent player. For his career, they're better offensively with him on the floor, they're much better on defense and their seasons straight died on the vine both times he got injured. In 2012, they were 21-20 when he tore his ACL. They limped to a 5-20 finish. Last year, 7-15 with him in the lineup. 9-51 when he didn't play.
I get it, he can't shoot and I'm the only one watching him closely for his career, but he's very good.
That 7-15 also was timed with other players playing that hadn't played, too. His most used lineup hadThad Young and Pek, better than most anything else they had without them.
And yes, the Wolves are better with him because his backups have been pure garbage his entire time.
Team's ORTG with him this year was 105 and 3 seasons ago 103. It was 112 the season between, but that had to do with Kevin Love more than anything.
Saying they're better offensively doesn't mean much when they have some of the worst backup guards behind him. If the team was good offensively with him, then sure. But Rubio without Love has been very poor offensively. The jury is still out on it.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostWinslow is easily the safest pick for the Knicks. Maybe even Hezonja.I know that the dudes that know much more about this shit than we do had him ranked in the top 2 to 4 all year and and that he's a pg which is what I want. That's good enough for me, not gonna front like I'm a draft expert because even the real ones get it wrong a lot.
I'd go nowhere near Mudiay personally. I mean, what the fuck does anyone know about Mudiay?
By Moris Go To PostYou said 9-11 seed, that's a high 30 to mid 40 number of wins. No way LA is anywhere near a .500 squad unless their rookie is unbelievably good.
The 11 seed won 38 games, 12 seed 30. Previous year, 11 seed won 36. Year before that 33. So no, I don't think they need to be in the 40s. I also said I think the West will be worse, which fits into my belief they'll be less 50 win teams and more 30s. Lakers could win 34-35 games and be the 11 seed. Even 10 seed, depending on how things shape out. I think the West will have a volatile offseason. Dallas, Portland, LAC, Spurs, Phx, (even houston) have potential for lots of changes. And if a Utah has an injury for the year to someone like Hayward, they could be fucked. This year was an outlier in terms of how good the teams were and I think we'll see regression next year. A 10-11 seed can easily have 34 wins.
No, I do not see the Lakers winning 40 games. But the 13-14 14th seeded lakers won 27 games. I think the right moves this offseason and this team can be over 5 games better than that team. Do you disagree with that?
By masud Go To PostI know that the dudes that know much more about this shit than we do had him ranked in the top 2 to 4 all year and and that he's a pg which is what I want. That's good enough for me, not gonna front like I'm a draft expert because even the real ones get it wrong a lot.The same dudes that said "can't teach height"?
By Mamba Go To PostNo, I do not see the Lakers winning 40 games. But the 13-14 14th seeded lakers won 27 games. I think the right moves this offseason and this team can be over 5 games better than that team. Do you disagree with that?
The team that had Pau for 60games?
I'd disagree with it.
By Forever Go To PostRubio is the only thing I hate about the Wolves.Why?
By rodeoclown Go To PostHe wasn't good last year and I found his point guard play unwatchable.
But! I'm in a positive mood, so how about this? His catch and shoot number were pretty good and Flip has been talking in interviews today about how he's not going to play him at point guard anymore. Maybe he plays better when he gets to play with Rubio rather than replacing him. If all they want him to do is shoot spot up 3s or cut to the basket, it might not be terrible.
oddly enough being a year younger and playing less mins his numbers were very Westbrook rookie season- like
Lakers will be bad, and that's ok. They won't be painful to watch but they lack depth and talent. There are a few teams who will trend downward, but there seem to be just as many who will trend upward and above LA.
By giririsss Go To PostThe team that had Pau for 60games?Nick Young and Meeks had career years too
I'd disagree with it.
By unknown Go To PostWhy?It's personal more than basketball.