I've said this a million times. He fits in the scheme of what they're trying to do. And when they go out of the Triangle into pick and pop action, that works too. Phil's not stupid enough to make him the starter considering he just said that defense is the most important thing he's looking for from his starting center. But if he gets him for the minimum, or maybe a couple million over, he'll take it.
The biggest benefit with him outside of his scoring is his passing. At least a couple times in every game I've seen he has the ball at the elbow or the top of the key and he finds the right cutter on time and on target.
lol Ed Davis turned down a multi-year deal from Memphis last offseason and eventually ended up playing for the minimum in LA.
He has since fired his agent.
I wouldn't mind Bargs at the vet min but he's playing himself into more than that so he can kick rocks. And Phil just said the most important thing for a triangle big is defense at that townhall thing. I doubt he's gonna pay Bargs. Don't believe the ny media bullshit.
edit: and I still think Mudiay might be the best player out of this draft so I hope we get him too Mamba.
I know man. It's just fun seeing this particular offense executed and pretty jaw dropping to see his passing. Before this season, I had no clue the dude could pass.
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On some Noah/Pau level stuff.
Yuck at the knicks keeping Bargs. Yeah he might fit the triangle but he is cursed. I hope all this talk is just to do him a favor and help him draw some attention from another team in FA in return for him playing hard during this tank season. The knicks were talking Amare up too before he left to the Mavs and now Phil is admitting the knicks made a mistake signing him in 2010.... so there is still hope.
Draftexpress just moved Skal Labissiere to their #1 for the 2016 draft.
Anthony Davis went #1 in 2012, Karl Towns is going #1 in 2015, if the Cavs hadn't screwed up and had picked Noel #1, Kentucky's starting center might have been the number one pick 4 out of 5 years.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Post Did anyone ever get fired for picking Anthony Bennet #1?
lebron will deal with that in the offseason
By psychintellect Go To Postlebron will deal with that in the offseason
He's the last one to judge considering he spearheaded the "Wiggins for Love" trade. There is a strong chance we'll be shitting on that trade in a few years the same way we shit on Presti for moving Harden for scraps.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Post Did anyone ever get fired for picking Anthony Bennet #1?
By psychintellect Go To Postlebron will deal with that in the offseason
Chris Grant was fired.
By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostHe's the last one to judge considering he spearheaded the "Wiggins for Love" trade. There is a strong chance we'll be shitting on that trade in a few years the same way we shit on Presti for moving Harden for scraps.
I think there's already pretty good public criticism for it. Simmons talks about it fairly regularly, for instance. But when Love leaves, it'll get loud.
Eh. Losing wiggins is big long term. But losing Love isn't. You free up max money for an avalanche of players who would want to sign on a contender and fit the system better.
For all the hate Bosh got in Miami, it's clear now that he played that 3rd banana role pretty damn masterfully. Let love walk and spend 20 million to do what you need. Get a real backup PG, get a real starting center, resign JR Smith. Etc.
edit: I forgot JR is locked in for next year anyway - cool now u can get a backup for Lebron - shore up that bench so the starters don't break down in a couple years.
By Vahagn Go To PostEh. Losing wiggins is big long term. But losing Love isn't. You free up max money for an avalanche of players who would want to sign on a contender and fit the system better.
For all the hate Bosh got in Miami, it's clear now that he played that 3rd banana role pretty damn masterfully. Let love walk and spend 20 million to do what you need. Get a real backup PG, get a real starting center, resign JR Smith. Etc.
edit: I forgot JR is locked in for next year anyway - cool now u can get a backup for Lebron - shore up that bench so the starters don't break down in a couple years.
If Love leaves, they don't have any max cap space this offseason. Lebron and Kyrie Max (like $36 mil), Varajeo $10, Miller Moz and JR are $14. $60 mil for 6 players before figuring out Thompson and Shumpbert.
Love leaving opens max contract space for 2016, but not 2015. That Varajeo extension was so fucking stupid...
TBH, I still defend the trade on principle. It's not the fault of the trade that Love walks at the end of the year. It's the fault of the team for not figuring out how to utilize an All NBA caliber player.
If everyone was calling him the next can't miss LeBron/Duncan/C-Webb type of prospect, it'd be a whole different thing. But that wasn't it. There was legitimate concerns over what he would become after the draft.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostTBH, I still defend the trade on principle. It's not the fault of the trade that Love walks at the end of the year. It's the fault of the team for not figuring out how to utilize an All NBA caliber player.
If everyone was calling him the next can't miss LeBron/Duncan/C-Webb type of prospect, it'd be a whole different thing. But that wasn't it. There was legitimate concerns over what he would become after the draft.
I'm with you, brother. Wiggins will probably end up being pretty good, but Kevin Love is a special talent and when he becomes available, you should try to trade for him.
The narrative has shifted, though, and it's like people forgot how good Love is because of his back injury this year and because of how Cleveland uses him. He was one of the maybe five best players in the league just a season ago. They'll see, though, he'll be back.
By KingGondo Go To PostHey Rodeo: if you were Presti, would you consider trading Ibaka for Love?
I'm torn on it myself.
Offensively, I don't know how you'd stop Durant, Westbrook and Love. The combined passing and shooting of all those guys would be insane. But I don't think I like the fit since they need Ibaka's defense and rim protection so badly and Love isn't giving you any of that.
By KingGondo Go To PostHey Rodeo: if you were Presti, would you consider trading Ibaka for Love?
I'm torn on it myself.
Hell no.
By psychintellect Go To Post trade nerlens noel for jrue holiday brehs
Or Draft Otto Porter Jr instead of Noel
By Dark PhaZe Go To Post I wouldn't mind him jacking up shots and creating offense beside Wall and letting Beal fulfill his role as a glorified Steve Kerr
Have they fired Randy Wittman yet? Because Love still hates him. Like, really hates him.
Wall and Love pick and pop game would be awesome, though.
Oh yea, forgot about Wittman actively trying to destroy Loves development. Probably like he's doing to some of our guys here.
gotta hope we get rekt so bad by We The North that nobody survives the culling come off-season.
Love/KD and Yn wouldnt be effecient enough to outscore the opposition reliabily I think.
Would need great defenders at SG and C to make that work.
By rodeoclown Go To PostOffensively, I don't know how you'd stop Durant, Westbrook and Love. The combined passing and shooting of all those guys would be insane. But I don't think I like the fit since they need Ibaka's defense and rim protection so badly and Love isn't giving you any of that.
Those are pretty much my thoughts. Kanter obviously isn't 1/100th the passer and shooter that Love is, but he can provide scoring and rebounding at a level far beyond any center we've ever had.
Ibaka's scoring is nice too. If KD and Russ ever learn to trust Ibaka's shooting down the stretch (which they should) it'll benefit us a lot imo. We tend to go into hero-ball, especially in close games.
Thankfully our "heroes" are pretty good in the clutch but I wish we'd play the same way all the time.
Looking for offensive firepower is soo assbackwards for OKC. They score just fine, they need a defensive upgrade in a bad way. This season without KD they're still 3rd in scoring and 25th in opponent scoring.
Last year they were 5th in scoring and 12th in opponents scoring. If there's anything that needs to be done on the offensive end it's a coach upgrade, not a personnel one.
By Moris Go To PostLooking for offensive firepower is soo assbackwards for OKC. They score just fine, they need a defensive upgrade in a bad way. This season without KD they're still 3rd in scoring and 25th in opponent scoring.
Last year they were 5th in scoring and 12th in opponents scoring. If there's anything that needs to be done on the offensive end it's a coach upgrade, not a personnel one.
One area I'd like to see improvement in: YNB's defense. There's really no excuse for him to not be an amazing defender at this point. In fact, that was touted as the sure thing about his game coming out of UCLA.
I agree that a scheme change might be in order as well.
By rodeoclown Go To PostI'm with you, brother. Wiggins will probably end up being pretty good, but Kevin Love is a special talent and when he becomes available, you should try to trade for him.
The narrative has shifted, though, and it's like people forgot how good Love is because of his back injury this year and because of how Cleveland uses him. He was one of the maybe five best players in the league just a season ago. They'll see, though, he'll be back.
You still think he was one of the five best players in the league? I think everyone agrees that he's not being used well, but the notion that he's the best PF, or even 2nd or 3rd best has fallen by the wayside now. That myth is done.
I'm like the only guy who wouldn't fuck with Brooks solely from the standpoint of not wanting to get a definitive answer on what came first between the chicken and egg in regards to so many of these draft picks soaring through their ceilings. I still don't think the roster has been where it needs to be in order to definitely place the blame on X's and O's. Not one season has OKC had a rim protector. Perkins isn't that and Ibaka can be pulled away from the basket at the 4.
Now I guess the argument is that Ibaka could have played the five, and I agree with that, but the potential for incoming draft picks to all of a sudden bust regularly and for player development current guys suddenly flatlining is...not worth fucking with until you're dead certain your roster is on point.
Clarkson having an even better month than March so far, about to play Lawson and the Nugs.
March: 15p/5ast/4rb .45% shooting
April: 16.8p/6ast/5rb .52% shooting
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By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI'm like the only guy who wouldn't fuck with Brooks solely from the standpoint of not wanting to get a definitive answer on what came first between the chicken and egg in regards to so many of these draft picks soaring through their ceilings. I still don't think the roster has been where it needs to be in order to definitely place the blame on X's and O's. Not one season has OKC had a rim protector. Perkins isn't that and Ibaka can be pulled away from the basket at the 4.
Now I guess the argument is that Ibaka could have played the five, and I agree with that, but the potential for incoming draft picks to all of a sudden bust regularly and for player development current guys suddenly flatlining is...not worth fucking with until you're dead certain your roster is on point.
Many of our most lethal lineups have KD at the 4 and Ibaka at the 5. Makes a lot of sense actually.
If Thon Maker goes to Kentucky, Kentucky will have two seven footers shooting threes in the frontcourt next year possibly (projected #1 pick Scal is in that mold). That would be interesting.
Why is Maker rated so low anyway? His size and shooting should make him a good prospect regardless of anything else. Is he a terrible athlete now or something?
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By IWMTB19 Go To PostIf Thon Maker goes to Kentucky, Kentucky will have two seven footers shooting threes in the frontcourt next year possibly (projected #1 pick Scal is in that mold). That would be interesting.
Why is Maker rated so low anyway? His size and shooting should make him a good prospect regardless of anything else. Is he a terrible athlete now or something?
Thon is already coming into college? Damn. Thought I wouldnt hear much about him for another year or two.
And the Harrison Twins are coming out. I love them as second round guys. I'm always shocked at their overall numbers, because everytime I watch them they seem to play big and be very efficient.
Might as well join in now since we're probably a week away from Harden being out for the season with injure facial hair.
I don't see the Sixers drafting Mudiay over Russell at all.
By KingGondo Go To PostOne area I'd like to see improvement in: YNB's defense. There's really no excuse for him to not be an amazing defender at this point. In fact, that was touted as the sure thing about his game coming out of UCLA.
I agree that a scheme change might be in order as well.
Geez man... Westbrook can't do everything lol
By Dark PhaZe Go To Post Mudiay is basically drafting a guy based off youtube highlights
Clint Capela played like 35 games in Europe and GMs watched one total game of him and dropped him 15 spots because he played bad in the one game.
So I don't think GMs will be scared of drafting off youtube highlights alone because their process of judging sample sizes can be really weird.