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Hennigan has barely done anything so far, but sign two really bad contracts. Not sure how that qualifies him as good.

The jury is still out on Hennigan.

Justise Winslow is like...the most Hennigan pick ever

He'll definitely be a Magic

By Moris Go To PostFO basically paid Kobe to retire in LA which is potentially better than to try and force contention with an aging roster (with the injuries it definitely wouldn't have worked anyway.)

Pau leaving hurt but the other option was for him to stay and we miss the playoffs anyway? pass. Dwight staying wouldn't have made LA significantly better either, dude missed like half the season. We most likely would have just lost our draft pick this year. So yea, I'm completely fine with Kobe's deal given the alternative.

Every GM in the league makes that Nash trade, it was a no brianer. He was amazing in Phoenix at 38 years old, he was still styling on all the young dudes. Can you name one player on that Phoenix roster that was a result of any of those picks? They ended up with Brandon Knight and Kendall Marshall after adding Plumlee and Ennis. And now Nash is coaching Laker rookies, not seeing a fleecing.

Jim has only had complete say over one coaching hire so far, and Scott isn't terrible for a team that's just developing rookies and sophomores. He'll need to go in like 2 seasons, but for now he has done a great job making sure those D-leaguers give complete effort. His theories are dumb, but he has a handle on that locker room.



They really don't have an excuse for Amare. The best medical staff in the NBA flagged Amare's knees as a disaster and NY fucked around and paid him anyway, everyone knew it from day 1. LA threw away 2 years of possible contention (that couldn't possiblly happen) to pay Kobe, while NY is currently gambling with their future to pay Melo in hopes he can stay healthy and attract FAs over the next 4 years. NY is actually lucky Melo went down this year or he would have hurt them long past that 4 year window. If they can't lnad a legit top 10 talent in the next season or 2 or draft one this year, they're pretty much a wrap for the next 5+ seasons.

You can totally blame GM Doc for that collapse, his team was shallow. He got lucky to get good minutes from Austin/Glen Davis etc when he did, there was no way they were gonna be able to not hurt The Clips eventually.

So wait wait ..... WAIT
Kobe running Dwight away didn't hurt your team. Nash being done and you guys giving away a pick that if you don't get in 4 hours was NOT a fleece and Scott isn't so bad..... You got to be kidding me right? I was there when laker gaf was crowing to the roof tops about their new 3 peat team of Nash, Kobe, and Dwight. Hell Dwight was the Lakers future but Kobe being motherfucking Kobe had to run him out of town because he needs to be the dominant player wherever he's at.... Also just skim over the fact the Lakers hired D'antoni when anyone with eyes knew he would fail there because they didn't have a SSOL roster, after the equally shitty hiring of Mike Brown.

But the knicks suck because their best player who IS in his prime was able to play through his injury to the All Star game.... Man.... Man look 90% of the time your cool but stop trying to say the Knicks are worse than the Lakers. You guys would have had to have kept dwight (like you should have) and moved Kobe (like you should have) and gone full tank (like you should have) to be where the knicks are in their rebuild. And we got Phil Jackson and the triangle now....

By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostSo wait wait ….. WAIT
Kobe running Dwight away didn't hurt your team. Nash being done and you guys giving away a pick that if you don't get in 4 hours was NOT a fleece and Scott isn't so bad….. You got to be kidding me right? I was there when laker gaf was crowing to the roof tops about their new 3 peat team of Nash, Kobe, and Dwight. Hell Dwight was the Lakers future but Kobe being motherfucking Kobe had to run him out of town because he needs to be the dominant player wherever he's at

But the knicks suck because their best player who IS in his prime was able to play through his injury to the All Star game…. Man…. Man look 90% of the time your cool but stop trying to say the Knicks are worse than the Lakers. You guys would have had to have kept dwight (like you should have) and moved Kobe (like you should have) and gone full tank to be where the knicks are.

The roster would have been literally Knicks west with Dwight in and Kobe gone, 1 good player and a bunch of trash. Pau wasn't sticking around regardless and Dwight is too old (Melo too) for this point of the rebuild that LA (and NY) are in. We are better off tanking than hoping to land 2-3 premiere free agents and then somehow fill out the bench.

We'll know in a couple hours if it's a wash or not for LA, but not for Phoenix, it's Philly's now maybe. So nah, Phoenix didn't fleece anyone. Nash also taught Clarkson to keep his dribble alive and work around screens, so far I'm not mad at the picks for Nash deal.

The basketball world needs to get something straight, 30 years old is not a player's prime. The all time greats usually remain productive into their 30s, but your team's best player ain't MJ or Duncan. For most players, once you hit 30/31 it's downhill if you're not a big man.

The Knicks are in a worse spot than LA, it is what it is. I'm not throwing a parade cause LA is in a better spot than The Knicks, it's a low fucking bar and has been true through the vast majority of time.

They have an injury prone guy maxed for 4 years and nothing else of worth on the roster. That Melo deal is one you make to keep a future franchise player to build around, You can build around Melo for another season or 2 if he stays healthy. They won't even have their pick next season when they're a 30 win squad, their foolishness of the past still hasn't even totally come back to bite them yet.

Knicks got one foot in the tank and their minds in the playoffs. Gonna take an incredible streak of luck to be anything with Melo on that roster.

By knux-future Go To PostRodeo, I wish good things for your team but if we fall to 5 and you guys fall to 4…I might have to root for you to take the Kristaps bullet. I want no parts of that.

I think Flip likes Prozingis. To some degree. He's the guy if (when, let's be real) they fall to fourth. They aren't touching Mudiay and aren't in on Winslow for whatever reason. I seriously think Flip sees this as a three player draft and he'll be straight devastated at 4.

By Moris Go To PostThe roster would have been literally Knicks west with Dwight in and Kobe gone, 1 good player and a bunch of trash. Pau wasn't sticking around regardless and Dwight is too old (Melo too) for this point of the rebuild that LA (and NY) are in. We are better off tanking than hoping to land 2-3 premiere free agents and then somehow fill out the bench.

We'll know in a couple hours if it's a wash or not for LA, but not for Phoenix, it's Philly's now maybe. So nah, Phoenix didn't fleece anyone. Nash also taught Clarkson to keep his dribble alive and work around screens, so far I'm not mad at the picks for Nash deal.

Knicks got one foot in the tank and their minds in the playoffs. Gonna take an incredible streak of luck to be anything with Melo on that roster.

Pheonix Did fleece you guys. You gave up 4 picks for him. Shit Dragic only got them 2 and he is younger (even though I think the Heat got robbed too) You could of kept those picks and hired him as a Dribble coach outright if him helping Clarkson was the end goal. So is the plan to suck for the foreseeable future to keep Philly from that final pick or too overpay Kevin "Lefty" Love or Kevin "Hop-A-Long" Durant? Also how can anyone say the knicks will be a 30 win team when the roster is going to add at least 3 players and Melo will be back healthy?

They have an injury prone guy maxed for 4 years and nothing else of worth on the roster. That Melo deal is one you make to keep a future franchise player to build around, You can build around Melo for another season or 2 if he stays healthy. They won't even have their pick next season when they're a 30 win squad, their foolishness of the past still hasn't even totally come back to bite them yet.

Melo having 1 injury that he played through on purpose to appear in the All Star game (where his stats were All Star game worthy) isn't the equivalent of a injury prone player. Once again even injured Melo put up Stats around his normal avg before he shut it down and the picture I posted of him seems to point to him being healthy again. Injuries happen but for Melo's age and years in the league he's not what anyone would normally call injury prone.

Your right about that pick which is why I am glad they fired Glenwalds dumb ass after he got fleeced like that. Too bad Jim is so scared of firing Mitch for what he once was that LA can't do the same after he's made so many bad decisions lately. Also completely ignore the fact the knicks will have 20+ mil to build around Melo and this years top 5 pick for the next 3 seasons. Then its 1 year of being potentially stuck and Boom Melo is off the books or taking a reduced salary.....

So your going to attract 2 -3 premier FA's with no one on the Roster for them to play with?

So your going to attract 2 -3 premier FA's with no one on the Roster but nobodies for them to play with?

By Moris Go To PostThe basketball world needs to get something straight, 30 years old is not a player's prime. The all time greats usually remain productive into their 30s, but your team's best player ain't MJ or Duncan. For most players, once you hit 30/31 it's downhill if you're not a big man.

Somebody should of told that to Mitch before he traded 4 picks (two of which were first rounders) for a 38 year old PG..... but he didn't get fleeced.

-Phoenix got jack dick with those picks so far and might not ever. Hindsight is strong in that belief, everyone was mad at Mitch for getting Nash. It basically turned out way worse than you could have expected but Phoenix hasn't gotten anything out of it and after trading the rights to the pick they won't ever. Phoenix got nothing, not seeing a fleecing. Philly may come up winners overall if LA loses the pick and LA losers, but Phoenix definitely didn't get a W there.

-Clearly helping our 2nd round pick wasn't the end goal of the Nash deal, but it has worked out well for LA so far, and after tonight the book is gonna be closed on that deal. If LA loses the pikc then yea, the Nash deal will be terrible for us.

-New York is gonna add players but most likely not great players there are few available this off season, we won't know til the season starts

-New York will have cap space for the first time and will literally be the least valuable is has ever been. Almost every team in the league will have cap space next and lots of it next offseason, they whiff this off season which they most likely will and they're not really in that advantageous of a spot.

-First NY needs to dodge the busts in this draft and then they have to develop them so they can contribute positively in 2+ seasons. Melo doesn't have that kind of time.

-NY's biggest mistake was keeping Melo, it makes no sense to have him on the roster. Realistically you get a good palyer in this draft, sign a good FA or 2 and then wait til Melo expires in 2019

-Melo's right knee has been fucked up since 2013 the cause was unknown, no tears or fractures but he couldn't hyper extend it and it needed to be drained a couple times. He supposedly tore the tendon in his left knee in 2014 and only just now got surgery after it become more serious.

By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostSomebody should of told that to Mitch before he traded 4 picks (two of which were first rounders) for a 38 year old PG….. but he didn't get fleeced.

Nash was a great player throughout his 30s (makes sense since he's arguably the best PG of his era) until his back did him in, doesn't contradict a word I said.

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/36i0il/finding_a_path_through_the_clippers_201516_cap/

tl;dr:

the Clippers are fucked for eternity.
not sure if just blowing it up would be smarter for them.

Fuck Kado and The Lakers. And DY can low key EAD.

By DominicanPower Go To PostFuck Kado and The Lakers. And DY can low key EAD.

clown.
I practically offered you an olive branch by not wishing you drop below top 5.
now i do.
EAD.

#1 Lakers
#2 Knicks

boom

As long as LA gets a pick I'll be alright, don't really care who goes ahead of LA as long as it's a fellow Loser-Bro team.

By Moris Go To Post-Phoenix got jack dick with those picks so far and might not ever. Hindsight is strong in that belief, everyone was mad at Mitch for getting Nash. It basically turned out way worse than you could have expected but Phoenix hasn't gotten anything out of it and after trading the rights to the pick they won't ever. Phoenix got nothing, not seeing a fleecing. Philly may come up winners overall if LA loses the pick and LA losers, but Phoenix definitely didn't get a W there.

-Clearly helping our 2nd round pick wasn't the end goal of the Nash deal, but it has worked out well for LA so far, and after tonight the book is gonna be closed on that deal. If LA loses the pikc then yea, the Nash deal will be terrible for us.

-New York is gonna add players but most likely not great players there are few available this off season, we won't know til the season starts

-New York will have cap space for the first time and will literally be the least valuable is has ever been. Almost every team in the league will have cap space next and lots of it next offseason, they whiff this off season which they most likely will and they're not really in that advantageous of a spot.

-First NY needs to dodge the busts in this draft and then they have to develop them so they can contribute positively in 2+ seasons. Melo doesn't have that kind of time.

-NY's biggest mistake was keeping Melo, it makes no sense to have him on the roster. Realistically you get a good palyer in this draft, sign a good FA or 2 and then wait til Melo expires in 2019

-Melo's right knee has been fucked up since 2013 the cause was unknown, no tears or fractures but he couldn't hyper extend it and it needed to be drained a couple times. He supposedly tore the tendon in his left knee in 2014 and only just now got surgery after it become more serious.

We're going back and forth but 4 picks were a fleece, and even if the Lakers keep the pick this year, it gets kicked down the road again next year.

having 25 mil in cap space is never a bad thing, having 20 mil for 3 years straight next to a superstar is a great thing when your in a rebuild mode. Even if the knicks whiff out on LMA and Gasol. Which I admit is likely, but having Melo, Phil Jackson, and a high draft pick doesn't hurt. The front office has prepared for that and seems to have a plan. All in All the knicks need talent to play the triangle and Phil has positioned them well to get it.

NY needs to Dodge a bust huh? Well I hope Phil knows that.... Also Melo is getting older who is to say he doesn't take the pippen/wade spot as the draftee matures? He's nowhere as big a dick as Kobe has been to team mates.

-NY's biggest mistake was keeping Melo, it makes no sense to have him on the roster. Realistically you get a good palyer in this draft, sign a good FA or 2 and then wait til Melo expires in 2019

No they get a good player in this draft, sign a good FA or 2 and play this season. Then Next season (2016) Add another Good FA or two, and Then repeat again in 2017. How is that a bad situation to be in when your trying to be competitive? It immediately keeps them from being on a treadmill because they will have cap space to improve, not to mention they could always trade and absorb salary as well. The only year the knicks might be stuck is 2018 and then boom in 2019 they will have around 30 mil again.

as long as we don't fall to 5 or 6, I am good. I like Winslow and Henojza but I doubt Hinkie does and he will totally tank hard yet again.

please let it end.

Assuming you're gonna get 4 good FAs while Melo takes up all that cap space and assuming your draft pick doesn't bust, is better than a rotation player, is good enough to be starter long term. That's so many damn ifs

Yea it's a good situation, but it's far from a lock, really really far. As of right now, Knicks situation ain't good. Of course that changes if NY gets a legit great player this draft.

After what I just read, I'm hoping Knicks get the #1 overall and Lakers fall out of the top 5.

Moris is just being silly right now.

Lakers will get the 3-4 pick

By Moris Go To PostAssuming you're gonna get 4 good FAs while Melo takes up all that cap space and assuming your draft pick doesn't bust, is better than a rotation player, is good enough to be starter long term. That's so many damn ifs

Yea it's a good situation, but it's far from a lock, really really far. As of right now, Knicks situation ain't good. Of course that changes if NY gets a legit great player this draft.

wasn't even arguing its a automatic good situation and I know its far from a lock. I just don't think the knicks deserve to eat shit for doing what they were suppose to do for the most part as an organization.

By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Postwasn't even arguing its a automatic good situation and I know its far from a lock. I just don't think the knicks deserve to eat shit for doing what they were suppose to do for the most part as an organization.

I don't think they deserve to eat shit lol, keeping Melo just makes it likely that they will.

By Frenchman Go To Posti'm rooting for OKC to win the lottery or Minny.

The Thunder don't deserve success Dongo. It's that false sense of entitlement which led you to your present avatar.

By Moris Go To PostI don't think they deserve to eat shit lol, keeping Melo just makes it likely that they will.

I still don't see how keeping Melo hurts the knicks long term due to the cap..... Who exactly were they going to save that cap space for? They can pay the top FA's this year. Next year FA class is Durant and then zip and outside of realgm nobody think Melo and Durant is a good idea (or even likely). 2017 they can go for a top FA again if they keep Calderon and let his contract naturally expire and if not they will have 20+ mil regardless. 2018 he might hurt the knicks but by then the cap going up will have stabilized and he is a big ass expiring contract and if he sucks he is gone regardless at the end of the season.

Also moving Melo for no reason was like when the knicks moved Z-Bo for no reason but a chance at Lebron. Yeah Z-bo Struggled in NY but they didn't have a team made for him not to struggle, now look at him in Memphis doing what he's always done but on a team built for his skill set.... Shit I wish he was in NY.

By Moris Go To PostI don't think they deserve to eat shit lol, keeping Melo just makes it likely that they will.

why? you think melo will not be the same after the injury? I think he will. They get a pick and FA and should be decent at least and can only grow in the other season after the upcoming one.

What team in the top 10-12 says no to KO and 2 first round pick

By KumaJG Go To PostWhat team in the top 10-12 says no to KO and 2 first round pick

who is KO

By Zeus Ex Machina Go To Postwho is KO

Kelly Olynk

By KumaJG Go To PostKelly Olynk

yeah that might get the celtics pretty high in the draft. Definitely into the 10 - 7 range

I know Houston is one of the more miserable places on the planet to inhabit but why is RBK so sour?

about 2 more hours

By Forever Go To PostThe Thunder don't deserve success Dongo. It's that false sense of entitlement which led you to your present avatar.

Bennett was smart enough to put a competent GM in charge and let him run the team.

That alone puts him above any of the garbage large market teams.

You're looking too far into the future Zeus, counting chicken before hatch. No way of saying what happens, only things worth talking about is Melo's future and this upcoming draft prospect. Prospect is unknown and Melo's likely on the decline starting next season, but he's on the books til 2019 for a high price.

By unknown Go To Postwhy? you think melo will not be the same after the injury? I think he will. They get a pick and FA and should be decent at least and can only grow in the other season after the upcoming one.

Historically guys like Melo have a dip in their production around the age he's at now, that knee injury isn't gonna make it any easier either. Rashard Lewis, Scottie Pippen, James Worthy the list goes on. Pierce is probably the best case scenario and he has never had knee problems.

By KingGondo Go To PostBennett was smart enough to put a competent GM in charge

lmao is that what you call Presti lately?

This is why you will never succeed. The small market inferiority complex has blinded you.

Got called into work 😐

I hope the rest of Knicks slaent have their lucky frozen envelopes ready...

By linsivvi Go To PostTeams that spent years contending with aging stars are designed by the system to fall into the lottery.

Besides, I'd say teams that are picking say, 10-14 and not due to an injury season are the ones that are ran most poorly.

.... Umm. No?

By KumaJG Go To PostWhat team in the top 10-12 says no to KO and 2 first round pick

Many.

By Fenderputty Go To PostI know Houston is one of the more miserable places on the planet to inhabit but why is RBK so sour?

Sour about? I don't expect Moris to flat out flip his opinion, but his rationalizing of the current state of the Lakers the past 3 seasons is just that...silly. At most, the Lakers are in a better position than the Knicks since Phil pretty much put them in a tricky situation by not going full rebuild...at the same time how could you justify just letting Melo walk?

The Houston comment isn't really even worth acknowledging.

By Forever Go To Postlmao is that what you call Presti lately?

This is why you will never succeed. The small market inferiority complex has blinded you.

Look at our roster compared to yours. Take away Durant if you must since his drafting was admittedly based on luck.

We won 45 games in the West last year with unprecedented terrible injury luck.

By KingGondo Go To PostLook at our roster compared to yours. Take away Durant if you must since his drafting was admittedly based on luck.

We won 45 games in the West last year with unprecedented terrible injury luck.

Well, no. Thats not true. It was bad, but not unprecedented.

By KingGondo Go To PostLook at our roster compared to yours. Take away Durant if you must since his drafting was admittedly based on luck.

Presti hasn't made a good move since 2009. Rest on those six year old laurels as befits a mismanaged small market team that is happy to almost make the playoffs.

It's your fault that the Rockets are in the WCF in case anyone has forgotten.

By Moris Go To PostYou're looking too far into the future Zeus, counting chicken before hatch. No way of saying what happens, only things worth talking about is Melo's future and this upcoming draft prospect. Prospect is unknown and Melo's likely on the decline starting next season, but he's on the books til 2019 for a high price.



Historically guys like Melo have a dip in their production around the age he's at now, that knee injury isn't gonna make it any easier either. Rashard Lewis, Scottie Pippen, James Worthy the list goes on. Pierce is probably the best case scenario and he has never had knee problems.

So discussing future cap space is counting chickens but saying Melo is going to immediately fall off because other guys did at his age factual?

By Forever Go To PostIt's your fault that the Rockets are in the WCF in case anyone has forgotten.

ouch

By Forever Go To PostPresti hasn't made a good move since 2009. Rest on those six year old laurels as befits a mismanaged small market team that is happy to almost make the playoffs.

It's your fault that the Rockets are in the WCF in case anyone has forgotten.

Wrong. Let the blame lie where it's deserved, with the Clippers' fraudulent asses.

By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostSo discussing future cap space is counting chickens but saying Melo is going to immediately fall off because other guys did at his age factual?

You guys actually have Melo and speculating that his history of knee problems combined with him reaching the age at which his production will likely dip means something, yes.

There are aren't a lot of good FAs that teams like NY can be reasonably expected to attract and then next offseason when the cap rises substantially they'll have to bid along with the majority of the league, many of which will have immediate playoff success or legitimate playoff aspirations.

As a FA would you rather join Harden/Howard/Bev/RZA/DMo or Melo and a rookie?

Millsap, Horford, Teague, Korver, Sefolosha, schroeder or Melo and a rookie?

Noah, Rose, Butler, Pau, Mirotic, Gibson or Melo and a rookie?

Parker, Giannis, middleton or Melo and a rookie?

Wiggins, Rubio, Pek or Melo and a rookie?

Anthony Davis or Melo and a rookie?

NY's cap space only really matters this offseason, cause everyone's pockets get fatter next offseason.

Dragic,Bosh,Whiteside or Melo?

By Moris Go To PostYou guys actually have Melo and speculating that his history of knee problems combined with him reaching the age at which his production will likely dip means something, yes.

There are aren't a lot of good FAs that teams like NY can be reasonably expected to attract and then next offseason when the cap rises substantially they'll have to bid along with the majority of the league, many of which will have immediate playoff success or legitimate playoff aspirations.

As a FA would you rather join Harden/Howard/Bev/RZA/DMo or Melo and a rookie?

Millsap, Horford, Teague, Korver, Sefolosha, schroeder or Melo and a rookie?

Noah, Rose, Butler, Pau, Mirotic, Gibson or Melo and a rookie?

Parker, Giannis, middleton or Melo and a rookie?

Wiggins, Rubio, Pek or Melo and a rookie?

Anthony Davis or Melo and a rookie?

NY's cap space only really matters this offseason, cause everyone's pockets get fatter next offseason.

So the knicks aren't adding anyone this year to the roster right? The rookie is still random player? But hey this is all written right?

Moris it could be Melo, LMA, Towns for all you know or Melo, M Gasol, amd Okafor..... smh man stop with these unnecessary arguments and admit I was right already.

By psychintellect Go To PostDragic,Bosh,Whiteside or Melo?

that subtle Wade shade, disrespectful.

I only kept Miami off cause they might be the first team to hit the new cap limit without any meaningful roster additions.

By Moris Go To Postthat subtle Wade shade, disrespectful.

I only kept Miami off cause they might be the first team to hit the new cap limit without any meaningful roster additions.

Ehh, I know that Pat is going to Mortgage our future by trying to win one before he retires. I'm cool with it I guess.

Idk

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