By Vahagn Go To PostStop mentioning Charlotte PG's. I didn't mention them. That's you being an apologist and moving goal posts.lmao. don't say i'm hyping people up them when i'm only comparing them to garbage that was on the roster last year.
While I agree with you that the offense centers around Harden, and I've said that a gazillion times - that isn't the CAUSE (as you imply by saying because).
Linsanity cannot ever fucking Linsanity regularly because of his own shortcomings. That's the basic point. He's somewhere between the 30th and 60th best PG in the league. He's not an all star. He's Derek Fisher and Steve Blake tier. I'd take either over him.
and no, that's not 'the point' because 'the point' that i made, that you even agreed on, was that houston's offense doesn't allow any other backcourt player to be efficient or productive outside of harden. don't go changing your mind all after the fact and shit lol. why are you even mad right now. all-star? look at you. smh
you are furious right now. and its not because you simply don't read what other people type when you get in your feelings, its because you don't even read what YOU type omg.
meanwhile, someone lied to you when they told you what an apologist was
You're bad at this. Also, learn what the word "because" means.
"X doesn't happen because of Y" - isn't the same as saying "Y exists". We both agree Y exists. That's not the argument.
You're creating a causal relationship that doesn't exist in reality and then complaining when I'm suggesting the causal relationship isn't real. Unless of course you want to make the argument that without Harden, Lin would average All star numbers. Then make that argument and get laughed at. Don't just imply it and hide behind being vague and plausible deniability.
And - going from "Lin won't ever Linsanity again" to "Lin is better than Neal and Lance" is the textbook definition of moving goalposts.
"X doesn't happen because of Y" - isn't the same as saying "Y exists". We both agree Y exists. That's not the argument.
You're creating a causal relationship that doesn't exist in reality and then complaining when I'm suggesting the causal relationship isn't real. Unless of course you want to make the argument that without Harden, Lin would average All star numbers. Then make that argument and get laughed at. Don't just imply it and hide behind being vague and plausible deniability.
And - going from "Lin won't ever Linsanity again" to "Lin is better than Neal and Lance" is the textbook definition of moving goalposts.
Let me simplify this shit as much as possible. You made 3 points.
1) Harden is the entire offensive scheme (something I agreed with and never disagreed with - but you kept bringing it up anyway as some imaginary debate in your head).
2) Lin is better than Neal and 2014-2015 Lance (umm ok, I didn't bring up Charlotte players, the team, or the comparison. But I never disagreed with you. This is where you became defensive and an apologist about a signing no one explicitly criticized for your team as a backup PG).
3) Lin didn't Linsanity in Houston BECAUSE OF HARDEN. (That's where I disagreed. But you kept jumping back to Ty Lawson and Gary Neal as if they're part of the conversation or our debate.)
1) Harden is the entire offensive scheme (something I agreed with and never disagreed with - but you kept bringing it up anyway as some imaginary debate in your head).
2) Lin is better than Neal and 2014-2015 Lance (umm ok, I didn't bring up Charlotte players, the team, or the comparison. But I never disagreed with you. This is where you became defensive and an apologist about a signing no one explicitly criticized for your team as a backup PG).
3) Lin didn't Linsanity in Houston BECAUSE OF HARDEN. (That's where I disagreed. But you kept jumping back to Ty Lawson and Gary Neal as if they're part of the conversation or our debate.)
By Vahagn Go To PostYou're bad at this. Also, learn what the word "because" means.Again, not even reading your own shit. Go back and see how and why my team's roster even got brought into this and get back to me you dirty apologist. Like, its actually fucking amazing how you can move your own goalposts and literally not even realize it. You still can't even say I'm wrong - but you need to find a way. That is why you're consistently ridiculous. Every time you get wound up like this I just sit back and laugh.
"X doesn't happen because of Y" - isn't the same as saying "Y exists". We both agree Y exists. That's not the argument.
You're creating a causal relationship that doesn't exist in reality and then complaining when I'm suggesting the causal relationship isn't real. Unless of course you want to make the argument that without Harden, Lin would average All star numbers. Then make that argument and get laughed at. Don't just imply it and hide behind being vague and plausible deniability.
And - going from "Lin won't ever Linsanity again" to "Lin is better than Neal and Lance" is the textbook definition of moving goalposts.
You trying to tell people how to argue anything is like getting backseat directions from Stevie Wonder
By Vahagn Go To PostLet me simply this shit as much as possible. You made 3 points.Cute starting point, but if you look at why any of those things come up at all you'd have the exact reason why you're always chasing your tail.
1) Harden is the entire offensive scheme (something I agreed with and never disagreed with - but you kept bringing it up anyway)
2) Lin is better than Neal and 2014-2015 Lance (umm ok, I didn't bring up Charlotte players, the team, or the comparison. But I never disagreed with you)
3) Lin didn't Linsanity in Houston BECAUSE OF HARDEN. (That's where I disagreed). But you kept jumping back to Ty Lawson and Gary Neal as if they're part of the conversation or our debate.
You always forget where you start shit then pretend you're under attack
Lol. You started all this shit because I was trolling you and said you are hyping up Lin?
That's your point? I trolled you after you responded to me and blamed Harden for Lin's struggles?
Oh boy.
Dude. Re read the thread.
Shun said Linsanity could have happened with D'Antoni instead of B Scott.
I said Linsanity was a flash in the pan that wouldn't happen again and didn't happen in Houston either.
YOU responded and placed all the blame of Lin's struggles to live up to his all star numbers on Harden.
I trolled you - cuz, that's a absurd position to hold. You took it seriously and got defensive and brought Gary Neal and Ty Lawson into this.
And to make matters worse we weren't even talking about Charlotte Lin. This originated strictly on my comment that Kobe needs better players than Lin and Young to take a backseat to. You and your team weren't involved.
That's your point? I trolled you after you responded to me and blamed Harden for Lin's struggles?
Oh boy.
Dude. Re read the thread.
Shun said Linsanity could have happened with D'Antoni instead of B Scott.
I said Linsanity was a flash in the pan that wouldn't happen again and didn't happen in Houston either.
YOU responded and placed all the blame of Lin's struggles to live up to his all star numbers on Harden.
I trolled you - cuz, that's a absurd position to hold. You took it seriously and got defensive and brought Gary Neal and Ty Lawson into this.
And to make matters worse we weren't even talking about Charlotte Lin. This originated strictly on my comment that Kobe needs better players than Lin and Young to take a backseat to. You and your team weren't involved.
The idea that Linsanity couldn't happen because of Harden is pretty ridiculous though, considering Lin couldn't even get to 'dependable' much less All Star whether Harden was on the court or not.
That's the kind of shit his insane fans have been spouting since he left NY. Always someone else's fault.
That's the kind of shit his insane fans have been spouting since he left NY. Always someone else's fault.
You have to put the ball in Lins hands and play him with starters for linsanity to occur--that wasn't happening alongside Harden.
Won't happen in Charlotte either because Big Al isn't the guy that's going to run around finishing lobs off screens.
Definitely better than Kemba though
Won't happen in Charlotte either because Big Al isn't the guy that's going to run around finishing lobs off screens.
Definitely better than Kemba though
By PSYCH! Go To PostDman lebatard going on Larry brown.i need to hear it
By DY_nasty Go To Posti need to hear itjohn amaechi joined too.
Linsanity was lightning in a bottle and might be the only physical proof for a first mover. Kobe killed him in LA though. Dude looked like he was uncomfortable in his roll the entire time.
Saying Lin is somewhere between Fisher and Blake is pretty insulting to Fisher. :p
While Fisher wasn't elite like Nash, anytime he was on the court for the Lakers in close matches, playing against teams I wanted to win...I always tensed up waiting for him to piece together a successful play for Kobe or Pau.
Difference between Lin and Fisher is that Fish was a great facilitator and playmaker with ho-hum stats.
Lin is a below average playmaker with ho-hum stats.
While Fisher wasn't elite like Nash, anytime he was on the court for the Lakers in close matches, playing against teams I wanted to win...I always tensed up waiting for him to piece together a successful play for Kobe or Pau.
Difference between Lin and Fisher is that Fish was a great facilitator and playmaker with ho-hum stats.
Lin is a below average playmaker with ho-hum stats.
Lin is an emotionally unstable, inconsistent try hard. He'll have games where he'll score 17. And then games where he'll go 1-9 or 0-6 or 2-10 and score like 6 points and 5 TO's.
I was excited when he came to LA (I even picked him on my fantasy team). But he lost his starting job to Ronnie Price early on. Just like he lost his starting job in Houston too.
As far as backup PG's go, I'd rather have a guy who knows his role and does it consistently than a guy that can go 2-10 in a winnable game and cost you the game.
I was excited when he came to LA (I even picked him on my fantasy team). But he lost his starting job to Ronnie Price early on. Just like he lost his starting job in Houston too.
As far as backup PG's go, I'd rather have a guy who knows his role and does it consistently than a guy that can go 2-10 in a winnable game and cost you the game.
By DY_nasty Go To Postbuts its cool when kobe does it
I'm glad you want your 8th best guy to think he's got first option shooting license.
By knux-future Go To Postand with that Kobe comment, the back and forth will continue
His roll wasn't to be anything more than a serviceable PG. His roll was never to be Linsanity 2.0.
By AlphaSnacks Go To PostSaying Lin is somewhere between Fisher and Blake is pretty insulting to Fisher. :p
While Fisher wasn't elite like Nash, anytime he was on the court for the Lakers in close matches, playing against teams I wanted to win…I always tensed up waiting for him to piece together a successful play for Kobe or Pau.
Difference between Lin and Fisher is that Fish was a great facilitator and playmaker with ho-hum stats.
Lin is a below average playmaker with ho-hum stats.
Fish is weird. He never was a great playmaker or scorer. Like he couldn't thread the needle with amazing passes or split a pick and roll and hit the Lob man. But he was the best floor general for his talent level i've ever seen. The offense ran beautifully when he was on the floor and he's easily one of the most dependable role players ever.
Jeremy Lin is the Derrick Williams of PG's.
Also Derek Fisher was great at elbowing guys in the throat. Much like former Knicks PG Chris Childs.
Lin has talent but he also is probably one of those guys who need the team to be built around him in order for it to work. He isn't good enough for that. It's like Evan Turner, he has some talent but unless he is the main (and only) ballhandler, he is shit. In Houston and LA, there were other and often better options and that made Lin a off the ball guy in which he is asscheeks at it (again like Turner, who was forced off the ball since Iggy, Jrue and Lou were all better options w/ the ball than he was).
In Charlotte, he only has Kemba to compete with really, and outside of a few times, I doubt they both will be out there at the same time. Lin can be an ideal off the bench ballhandler. He will have free reign, often play against backups, and also hopefully won't be on the floor enough to get exposed as often..
Situation plays a big part for roleplayers. Especially the ones who aren't just plug in specialists (shooters and defensive guys), Fisher worked mainly because he was a gdlk off the ball shooter and could defend some. and not throw possesions away when he was called upon to bring the ball up. Place him in a situation in which he needed to be the main w/ the ball threat and things change a bit, no? Lin was brought into the last two spots to play a role that wasn't playing to his strengths, i.e playing off the ball w/ Harden (who is virtally Houston's PG) and Kobe (who demands the rock and has no time for Lin's dribble until it work shit). The few times he got a chance to handle the rock, he looked ok. Won the Lakers a few games IIRC (dudes were pissed). The question is if he is good enough to be allowed to be that guy....most would say no. In Charlotte, he should get a chance as the 6th man of sorts , that should work.
In Charlotte, he only has Kemba to compete with really, and outside of a few times, I doubt they both will be out there at the same time. Lin can be an ideal off the bench ballhandler. He will have free reign, often play against backups, and also hopefully won't be on the floor enough to get exposed as often..
Situation plays a big part for roleplayers. Especially the ones who aren't just plug in specialists (shooters and defensive guys), Fisher worked mainly because he was a gdlk off the ball shooter and could defend some. and not throw possesions away when he was called upon to bring the ball up. Place him in a situation in which he needed to be the main w/ the ball threat and things change a bit, no? Lin was brought into the last two spots to play a role that wasn't playing to his strengths, i.e playing off the ball w/ Harden (who is virtally Houston's PG) and Kobe (who demands the rock and has no time for Lin's dribble until it work shit). The few times he got a chance to handle the rock, he looked ok. Won the Lakers a few games IIRC (dudes were pissed). The question is if he is good enough to be allowed to be that guy....most would say no. In Charlotte, he should get a chance as the 6th man of sorts , that should work.
By The Frankman Go To PostAlso Derek Fisher was great at elbowing guys in the throat. Much like former Knicks PG Chris Childs.
Fish hit some fucking clutch 3's too. The words clutch and Lin should never be used together unless it's to mention how they should never be used together.
Lin spent plenty of time on the floor without Harden and without Kobe. It didn't mean anything. He is who he is.
He can have games your average role players can't get to, but he'll have as many or more games where he's embarrassing himself out there.
He can have games your average role players can't get to, but he'll have as many or more games where he's embarrassing himself out there.
It's a brave new world with Jahlil Okafor in the fold, and his addition has brought both excitement and doubt.http://www.libertyballers.com/2015/9/29/9414991/29-days-till-sixers-how-many-games-will-they-win
Sean O'Connor and I debate the Sixers win total this season, and just how Jahlil Okafor fits into the equation.
Sean O'Connor: Jake, I'm trying to find the best over/under to use for this predictions post. Bovada has nothing posted as of yet, and the one site I can find has a preliminary over/under (from July!) of 17.5 games.
I know the Sixers will still be terrible, but that seems a bit low, right? Where would you set the over/under? I'm curious as I'm the resident non-existential pessimist at LB.
Jake Pavorsky: Before we get into the nitty gritty, I'd like to point out when we had this conversation last year, you thought this team would win less than 15.5 games, while I was confident they would win more. But I did citeChris Johnson as a reason the team would shoot 35% from three-point range, so we all have our flaws.
Yeah, 17.5 wins is pretty low for a team that won 18 last year and only got better. I think 24.5 is a modest place to set the bar at, and I'm actually going to take the over on that too.
Nerlens and Jah gonna run the league.
Nerlens hitting 15fters with ease and shit. Jah totally not going to get his shot blocked now that he is on our sports science magic. Sauce going to unlock his sharigan this year...and we got THE Isiah Cannan running things at PG
25 wins? More like 70 yo
we gon be so ass
Nerlens hitting 15fters with ease and shit. Jah totally not going to get his shot blocked now that he is on our sports science magic. Sauce going to unlock his sharigan this year...and we got THE Isiah Cannan running things at PG
25 wins? More like 70 yo
we gon be so ass
By Vahagn Go To PostFish is weird. He never was a great playmaker or scorer. Like he couldn't thread the needle with amazing passes or split a pick and roll and hit the Lob man. But he was the best floor general for his talent level i've ever seen. The offense ran beautifully when he was on the floor and he's easily one of the most dependable role players ever.
Jeremy Lin is the Derrick Williams of PG's.
Jeremy Lin is the Landry Fields of PGs.
Which explains their magnetic bromance back in NY.
"The last three weeks of him in this gym playing, I saw some things that I didn't see in Summer League. I saw some explosiveness. I saw some quickness," Byron said of D'Angelo during the in-house training sessions. "He was never really just going by people in Summer League, where as here now we know why. It's because of the injuries that he had."
"I saw some things that made me go 'Whoa okay.' I didn't see that from him in Summer League."
Seems like PR spin to me, but a fan can hope I guess
By reilo Go To PostSome things were seen. Some stuff happened. Whoa.
It's more the notion that his inability to get by people in summer league is attributed to knee and ankle issues. That's what I'm not buying.
But if he really was playing injured and truly is more explosive, that's good news
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postlol
he would never have played in summer league injured–it's not remotely worth it
I agree. Though I think this is a stupid comment from the Lakers if there isn't some truth to it. Like we wouldn't be able to immediately tell if the comment was pure PR bull
Noel is also canning 18fters with ease in practice. No one is going hard yet. Summer League is full of try hards playing for their lives so they are all going in.
Russell will be fine tho.
Russell will be fine tho.
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First preseason game in two days.
First real game in 27 days!
Then the talk about dicks and jackin it will be about Kobe's shotchart.
First real game in 27 days!
Then the talk about dicks and jackin it will be about Kobe's shotchart.
“It’s just like I’ve been there for five years, I know how it goes,’’ Seraphin told The Post after the Knicks’ first practice at West Point. “I didn’t want to be in the same situation as last year where I don’t play all the time and I never know. Sometimes I feel I do everything right and I don’t get to play all the time. At one point, I was like I needed somewhere I can play.’’
Does he really think the Knicks will give him a ton of minutes lol
Phil has no tolerance for knuckleheads like him--he'll be out of the rotation by the break
By Dark PhaZe Go To Posthas anyone heard from kyotoHe's alive, iirc. I doubt he'll post here again, but he's more than welcome to.