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By reilo Go To Post2 month data lol

Welcome home, Trax 2.0.

2 month data is enough of a sample size to see that someone's a good defender. Will he hold players to under 33% from the field for his entire career? OF course not - but playing next to Bargs and Hardaway and Larkin and the like and consistently shutting down his man for 24 games is pretty impressive for a rook.

No reason to think he won't be a really good, maybe even elite, perimeter defender long term

By reilo Go To Post2 month data lol

Welcome home, Trax 2.0.

As I said, 2 months during which the Knicks opponent scored 103p/g... 3 points more than before.

But I mean, what is there to discuss, Amundson and Bargnani are really good apparently.

Okay Trax.

Neither game is on TNT

By Vahagn Go To PostBargs is a good fit, Phil's suggested as much in multiple interviews including the Phil files. But KP is Bargs with tons of upside, so he had to go and should have gone.

I've said that as well.
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/3/10/8182959/these-langston-galloway-defensive-tracking-numbers-are-kinda-nuts

Galloway's defensive tracking numbers through 2 months of play last season were off the charts. They made AD's numbers look slightly lacking.

That's a really really solid lineup defensively

Phil say a lot of things like Gasol isn't worth it to the Knicks to pay him 5 mil more to RoLo.

also anything that Bargs does well Williams doesn't do. And both don't rebound or play D but upgrades...

By obijkenobi Go To PostBrehs, my gf's mom is coming down from Michigan for Thanksgiving week and I was thinking of taking her to a Spurs game. What do you guys think would be better entertainment wise:

Spurs vs Mavs
Spurs vs Hawks

That's tough

Spur vs Hawks. Both teams will likely be trying to play to get a high seed and both teams should be good.

Mavs have that texas triangle beef going on so you know they will put in effort..... but they legit might suck next year.

All things equal spurs should win both those games.

By reilo Go To PostOkay Trax.

Ok ok. You got me.

U know, for all the shit talking your doing, you do know you're rooting for the 2015-2016 D Leage Blazers right?

Remember that one Oprah Meme of "you can have a Rocket, and you get a Rocket"


That's the Blazers this year.

Oh man, that's true! I totally forgot because I've been saying the opposite, right?

By blackace Go To PostPhil say a lot of things like Gasol isn't worth it to the Knicks to pay him 5 mil more to RoLo.

also anything that Bargs does well Williams doesn't do. And both don't rebound or play D but upgrades…

You really think Derrick Williams is their go to guy? Amundson, O Quinn, Porzi, will all be playing the 4

I think the Hawks will be better than Dallas, and it should be a better game. Go to that one.

"You root for a bad team, your opinion is wrong"

"Phil is a genius for believing in Bargnani"

"it will be really hard to score on a career 3.5/3.5 guy who never played more than 15 mpg"

By Vahagn Go To PostYou really think Derrick Williams is their go to guy? Amundson, O Quinn, Porzi, will all be playing the 4

I think Williams will see 1500 to 1800 mins as a Knick...

By blackace Go To PostI think Williams will see 1500 to 1800 mins as a Knick…

Maybe but he'll probably be in the same situation as Hardaway was as a 7 or 8th man

That's like Jason Smith or Quincy Acy min. That shouldn't be too hard to outperform

By obijkenobi Go To PostNeither game is on TNT

Which do you find more entertaining? Good basketball (barring injuries and off night) or shit talking and booing a Dallas team that probably sucks.

Which tickets are cheaper?

that's like 20 mins per game

By obijkenobi Go To PostBrehs, my gf's mom is coming down from Michigan for Thanksgiving week and I was thinking of taking her to a Spurs game. What do you guys think would be better entertainment wise:

Spurs vs Mavs
Spurs vs Hawks

Spurs / Mavs is always good imo

By DY_nasty Go To PostSpurs / Mavs is always good imo

Real talk, I was leaning towards this mainly bc of Dirk. How many more times will I get to see him and Duncan on the same court

By obijkenobi Go To PostReal talk, I was leaning towards this mainly bc of Dirk. How many more times will I get to see him and Duncan on the same court

Actually when you put it like that you got to spurs vs mavs

By Mamba Go To PostDwight will always be a moron.

There's a George Bush International Airport? Chicago needs to rename one of theirs after Obama.

Did we discuss ESPN's reveal of 30-11 player ranks today?

http://www.si.com/nba/top-100-nba-players-2016?page=4&devicetype=default


Loves ranking pretty much says everything that needs to be said about the list though at #17:

It seems necessary to first point out that these rankings strip a player of current team context. We’re evaluating not what Kevin Love was to the Cavaliers last season or even what he could be to Cleveland this year. What matters is the player that Love is in ability and concept—how much he would be able to contribute to an assortment of teams in a variety of circumstances. That player is impressive, even if Love’s most recent campaign was not.

Draymond Green pretty much in the same air as LaMarcus Aldridge and almost 20 steps above someone like Paul Millsap for instance. I wonder if the two writers who did this list watched games besides the Finals.

It's clickbait bullshit and they know it.

Gaby who's your favorite player currently in the league?

By PSY! Go To PostGaby who's your favorite player currently in the league?

John Wall for the past few years, for sure. I've seen him play 10 times this past year, it was great. Carmelo (and without having to go through a PR filter, he'd agree with everything I've been saying). Fournier (but I'm very worried about the next season, I still cheer for people who are obviously not the best ever). I think Anthony Davis is the best player in the world. Diamantidis (I'm a lefty). Excited about Hezonja. I like the Spurs system. I'm a nostalgic too, I reminisce a lot. I tend to like David more than Goliath (more Ewing than Shaq).

lol the worst people got for reilo is "oh yeah well your blazers are going to suck"

As if we haven't resigned ourselves to this factoid already brehs, come on.

By db Go To Postlol the worst people got for reilo is "oh yeah well your blazers are going to suck"

As if we haven't resigned ourselves to this factoid already brehs, come on.

So are my lakers - but I don't define my identity as full time trolling another organization struggling to build a contender

By Vahagn Go To PostSo are my lakers - but I don't define my identity as full time trolling another organization struggling to build a contender

two sides of the same coin imo

fuck da knicks can't exist without "we'll be good this year :D everything is fine :D" knicks

By blackace Go To Postthat's like 20 mins per game

Jason Smith and Quincy Acy both started for the Knicks for, off the top of my head, probably like 50-60 games this past season. So yea - whatever the Knicks throw out there - 18-22 min of D-Will included - is an upgrade over that.

I still see the 4 as a Amundson/Porzingis affair though

By DY_nasty Go To Posttwo sides of the same coin imo

fuck da knicks can't exist without "we'll be good this year :D everything is fine :D" knicks

So, I guess, Fuck da Hornets then?

By Vahagn Go To PostSo, I guess, Fuck da Hornets then?

Worst thing I did was flipflop on my coach until some more stuff came to light in the offseason.

You jocking Bargnani til Phil got rid of him is not even in the same ballpark lol. At least my arguments make sense. You got guys in here posting about O'Quinn at the 4 and two month sample sizes of Galloway expecting not to have to deal with the fact that its ridiculous lol

The Hornets will be super interesting to watch. They have actual defenders, no one is pimping out someone with the level of Amundson.

Can you imagine if Phil Jackson was responsible for signing Earl Barron in 2010? We'd hear talks of hall of fame already.

By Vahagn Go To PostSo are my lakers - but I don't define my identity as full time trolling another organization struggling to build a contender

you define your identity by co-signing everything Phil says or does.... riding for D.Williams now and Bargs last year because Phil suggested that he is a good fit is proof of that.

So kettle back off the pot

But are SLAENT's most hated teams gonna be better this year or are we gonna keep hating and think they're not contenders?

Are the Clippers, Rockets, or Cavs actually any better than the year before? Do you personally think they are and are contenders for a title?

Or are they cursed and their teams too dysfunctional off bad management and terrible chemistry to warrant a title?

Are these teams even SLAENT's most hated amongst the majority of NBA members? Should the Thunder be added to the list? Like should we conduct a poll for that?

By Gabyskra Go To PostI'll be meta for a second and comment the commentary, but in US sports culture, I always find it fascinating how some people think it's a matter of pride or loyalty to defend the team they root for, no matter what. There's no end to that attitude, it's campy as shit, and leads to disillusion. Like, if reilo was around saying he's happy Aldridge left, or Heat fans saying they expect a title without LeBron, would you feel the discussion has any worth? Why adopt such an attitude, like Knicks fans are a mob that needs to stand up à la "right or wrong, my country", alongside one another? A message board and discussing ideas is not playing ball.

But it's really worse at Sla&nt, cos in the real world, more Knicks fans dislike the KP pick than there are those who like it… I think they're wrong, but at least they can be critical…

LMAO.

You haven't been around us long enough to see my tantrums as a Knick fan. Last year I was in full blown meltdown mode and wanted the team blown up about...oh, 10 games into the season.

This year I'm showing optimism. It's not blind loyalty. Believe me, I'm the last person who will blindly root for this organization. I literally stopped watching them from 2003-2009 because I was absolutely disgusted with the entire franchise and the Marbury/Zeke era. I was more FUCK DA KNICKS than anyone else here. It wasn't until Donnie Walsh came around and started cleaning up a little bit and brought in Amare that I started getting interested in the team. We were still an average .500 squad, but at least not absolutely pitiful and revolting.

So I literally went from religiously watching for 13 years straight, to just dropping the team like a bad habit and watched my #2 Magic team.

By DY_nasty Go To PostWorst thing I did was flipflop on my coach until some more stuff came to light in the offseason.

You jocking Bargnani til Phil got rid of him is not even in the same ballpark lol. At least my arguments make sense. You got guys in here posting about O'Quinn at the 4 and two month sample sizes of Galloway expecting not to have to deal with the fact that its ridiculous lol

wait, so you DON'T want Clifford gone?

By PSY! Go To Postwait, so you DON'T want Clifford gone?

I did. Maybe I still do, I don't know. But firing him last year was an impossibility. This year, he has no reason to fail.

By DY_nasty Go To PostI did. Maybe I still do, I don't know. But firing him last year was an impossibility. This year, he has no reason to fail.

Batum + MKG vs Middleton + Giannis... Like seriously, just based on that kind of wing defense, I don't see these two teams not making the playoffs...

Unrelated, look at that fucking cornball.

No one is saying everything will be fine this year though...

also tell me why so mad, dude.

Maybe I'm not remembering right but Middleton isn't a good defender?

hmm, Looked at his on/off stats, idk.

By PSY! Go To PostMaybe I'm not remembering right but Middleton isn't a good defender?

hmm, Looked at his on/off stats, idk.

Difference of +9 pt/100poss without him. He's big and fast for SGs, challenges threes... Really good on ball.

To all the stat heads, http://www.atthehive.com/2015/7/30/9072079/hornets-guards-passing

http://www.atthehive.com/2015/8/29/9225837/hornets-guards-assist

I'm just saying

By AlphaSnacks Go To PostLMAO.

You haven't been around us long enough to see my tantrums as a Knick fan. Last year I was in full blown meltdown mode and wanted the team blown up about…oh, 10 games into the season.

This year I'm showing optimism. It's not blind loyalty. Believe me, I'm the last person who will blindly root for this organization. I literally stopped watching them from 2003-2009 because I was absolutely disgusted with the entire franchise and the Marbury/Zeke era. I was more FUCK DA KNICKS than anyone else here. It wasn't until Donnie Walsh came around and started cleaning up a little bit and brought in Amare that I started getting interested in the team. We were still an average .500 squad, but at least not absolutely pitiful and revolting.

So I literally went from religiously watching for 13 years straight, to just dropping the team like a bad habit and watched my #2 Magic team.

Here's my thing going all the way back to the Ewing trade the knicks been fucking up by trying to do to much. Its always been their issue, going for a homerun and striking out or mismanaging cap room, or saying fuck youth for a big name player that doesn't fit..... and it got them shit but being the longest running joke in the league.

They get arguably one of the smartest basketball minds EVER who comes in and does the opposite of what made them a laughing stock and people are now complaining that he didn't go for the home run, he didn't mismanage the cap, or say fuck the youth on the roster for a big name player that doesn't fit.....

Its completely out of touch with the reality of the knicks past to say Phil is fucking up. These are the type of moves that anyone who isn't an outright starphucker fan has been calling for, for over a decade. Like I'm seeing the cognitive dissonance of people shitting on Phil's moves when they know that those are the right moves. Like arguing that a team that won 17 wins still has holes mean they will be worse when Phil basically didn't have a Hull to begin the FA with.

I feel like Batum is a 4 game losing streak away from going full Denver Afflalo v2

By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI feel like Batum is a 4 game losing streak away from going full Denver Afflalo v2

Which is still better than Henderson

God help you if someone in Charlotte actually has a breakout year.

By Zeus Ex Machina Go To PostHere's my thing going all the way back to the Ewing trade the knicks been fucking up by trying to do to much. Its always been their issue, going for a homerun and striking out or mismanaging cap room, or saying fuck youth for a big name player that doesn't fit….. and it got them shit but being the longest running joke in the league.

They get arguably one of the smartest basketball minds EVER who comes in and does the opposite of what made them a laughing stock and people are now complaining that he didn't go for the home run, he didn't mismanage the cap, or say fuck the youth on the roster for a big name player that doesn't fit…..

Its completely out of touch with the reality of the knicks past to say Phil is fucking up. These are the type of moves that anyone who isn't an outright starphucker fan has been calling for, for over a decade. Like I'm seeing the cognitive dissonance of people shitting on Phil's moves when they know that those are the right moves. Like arguing that a team that won 17 wins still has holes mean they will be worse when Phil basically didn't have a Hull to begin the FA with.

The unfortunate reality is that there are two types of Knick fans: the Dolans and the Phils. One is the quintessential New Yorker dipshit who just wants everything now-now-now-now! The other is willing to wait and plan accordingly and consequently go out there and take the flack for it and ask people to be patient. Likewise, all of the complaining out there comes from the Dolans, because the Phils have been silenced. Before it was the Phils in many of us who were complaining about the team, while the Dolans were like "GET THIS GUY! GET THAT GUY! COLLECT THEM ALL!"

When I was younger, I fell into the former. Now that I'm older, I'm the latter. Everything Jackson's been doing with the team so far has been pretty much his best with what he's got to deal with.

By blackace Go To Postyou define your identity by co-signing everything Phil says or does…. riding for D.Williams now and Bargs last year because Phil suggested that he is a good fit is proof of that.

So kettle back off the pot

You really love misrepresenting people's words don't u?

The Knicks got better at the 4 in SPITE of Williams. Not because of him. He's the 15th best guy on the roster that they picked up for peanuts, and assuming good health will barely see the court.


all I said about Bargs was that he was a good triangle fit. His passing and mid range shooting were effective in the offense and IF they picked up a combination of Love and Gasol. He'd be a good 4th big coming off the bench. I also said, the night of the draft that he's gone with Porzi on board.


I mean shit dude - I trashed the Porzi pick but I still hink Porzi is a much better player to have on your roster than Bargs - that should tell how just how low I think of Bargs in the grand scheme of things.


You've spent the entire last two pages talking on and on about Derrick Williams when he's like the 6th best big on the depth chart and aren't catching on that all the comments that me and many others are making are not including Williams in the picture.

But by all means let's spend 2 pages talking about whoever the hell's acquisition of Cole Aldrich as a good measuring stick for the FA period this summer.

there is no youth on the knicks to say fuck the youth to...

PJ did say he was looking to FA to make the team... because you got no picks

All this Knick talk made me remember...Amare is a HEAT player now.

Damn, get dem fire extinguishers ready, yo. Papa Amare is here to put the Heat out!

By Vahagn Go To PostYou really love misrepresenting people's words don't u?

The Knicks got better at the 4 in SPITE of Williams. Not because of him. He's the 15th best guy on the roster that they picked up for peanuts, and assuming good health will barely see the court.


all I said about Bargs was that he was a good triangle fit. His passing and mid range shooting were effective in the offense and IF they picked up a combination of Love and Gasol. He'd be a good 4th big coming off the bench. I also said, the night of the draft that he's gone with Porzi on board.


I mean shit dude - I trashed the Porzi pick but I still hink Porzi is a much better player to have on your roster than Bargs - that should tell how just how low I think of Bargs in the grand scheme of things.


You've spent the entire last two pages talking on and on about Derrick Williams when he's like the 6th best big on the depth chart and aren't catching on that all the comments that me and many others are making are not including Williams in the picture.

But by all means let's spend 2 pages talking about whoever the hell's acquisition of Cole Aldrich as a good measuring stick for the FA period this summer.

I didn't misinterpret anything... Williams is going to log major mins he is, right now, the starter on paper and shouldnt fall below the 8th player...because there arent 14 players better than him on the Knicks...

Porzi might not see much time this so why would you be against a great fit in Bargs?

if you don't want to join the conversation it's not mandatory

By DY_nasty Go To Posttwo sides of the same coin imo

fuck da knicks can't exist without "we'll be good this year :D everything is fine :D" knicks

Uh, you missed the point. If "fuck the Knicks" exists because of the delusion ally positive Knicks slaent. There must be a Fuck the Hornets to combat your irrational 49 win "we'll be good this year :D everything is fine :D" attitude.

You're not the guy screaming fuck the Hornets, you're the other guy. But like I said, "so, I guess, fuck the hornets?" Because even though you exist - there's no Reilo to your franchise.

Reilo's fuck the Knicks is who he is, it's not a counter balance to delusional optimism - otherwise he'd be ethering you now