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By The Frankman Go To PostCharlotte still won't be able to score. Try to pass Knicks fans as crazy, their defense will be much improved because *shock* they have legit NBA players who are decent defenders

O_O

so confident yet so scairt. Take the bet Dy or stop talking… when you lose it I will enjoy the following offseason of no-trolling Dy.

@bolded: That's the thing, I can give you reasoning as to why they will that doesn't revolve around everyone having a career year at the same time. charlotte had some of the worst shooting in the last 10 years last season - and this offseason they've literally added shooting at every position. on the assumption that we have even slightly below league average shooting, implying that guys come here and play worse, that would still be a staggering improvement to our spacing, shot selection, and overall efficiency all over the court.

its a safe bet. and as far i know, faze is the only person to put his name down on disagreeing - and even then 49 wins is NOT what he's betting on either.

and you laugh about us having decent defenders now when we had legitimately awful defenders getting significant minutes before and still managed to have a legitimate defense in spite of trainwreck season. usually when teams go to shit, the defense is the first thing to go. so yeah, it'll improve

meanwhile, you have nothing but hope.

Name the bet again, because you've been hiding behind unrealistic terms for over a month now and I've forgot what the bet was. May as well say loser has to stop being a basketball fan.

By The Frankman Go To PostDefense and getting players that can play not dumb is a helluva drug.



C'mon Dy, let's do this shit. Bet on Hornets winning 49 vs. Knicks winning 41. Both teams stay relatively healthy and no injuries to key players.






C'mon Kaiba, your troll nature is no match for my positivity and power of logical thinking. I win, you can't troll any NBA team the whole 2016 NBA offseason.

Okay, set terms. Because which team is closer to that mark is ehhh as fuck

i never watched Whiteside so i never got in on the Gobert comparisons

By giririsss Go To PostI've always been a fan of Tyson, so you're just proving that you're maintain your blithering idiot status. How is calling Tyson a great player overhype? He's a good defender, good hands, hits FT's at a really good clip. For a Big that has no post moves / can't create his own, he's basically the best you can get. Tyson during his run with Dallas and the next year with the NYK is Whitesides absolute ceiling. And Tyson was probably a smarter player.

I'm not putting Tyson as a top 10 all time or even close to it.

And I've always been a fan of Melo though. Again proving you're a blithering idiot with absolute blinkers on that only reads and felates comments related to lakers/phil/kobe/triangle. I said Melo would be a bad acquisition last year. Different team this year, and it would honestly make more sense than last year. Though I'm still not sure I'd be excited about it. But I have NFI where this team is at now.

But it's good that you could let Jeanie have sometime felating phil so you could maintain yet another one of your "crusade against poster x no matter what they say" jihads.


Ok. Bosh is a better C.

Him being an idiot isn't new. And it's meant to change despite the fact that Miami was a lifeline and the guy still acted that way? Dy, breh, pls.

He's *hell* for most teams because no one cares about him. He's hell the same way Deandre Jordan is. i.e. not really. You don't spend any time worrying about whiteside cause he's not beating you. Is he a good player? Sure. Seems to have good hands, good (power) finisher, and is staying active / rotating on O.

The league has plenty of bigs who score. Many who are the focal point of an offense instead of just after thoughts. So that's just absolute rubbish.

Waiting on Reilo...


Chandler is a role player. He's the Derek Fisher of centers - that's not qualifying as a "great player"

Also, you think you can say I love Kobe and triangle but you don't overhype Phx players? Lol for god's sakes that's your MO and the very fact that you're so clueless that you don't recognize it is lulz.


It's obvious I love the Triangle, the mod's put my phrase/quote and I didn't change it, cuz I have a sense of humor about it.

You on the other hand, clown shoes mcgee lacking basic self awareness.

You and many others say shit like "but Kobe" every time I mention him, but God forbid someone mention your propensity to overhype mediocre/role players on the Suns and you go on profanity laced Tirades.

but Kobe

By Vahagn Go To PostAlso, you think you can say I love Kobe and triangle but you don't overhype Phx players? Lol for god's sakes that's your MO and the very fact that you're so clueless that you don't recognize it is lulz.

It's not, actually. It's just what you like to believe. Because if I say ANYTHING positive you jump on it and rampage around with it, largely on your own. You have a terrible habit of jihading / crusading against particular posters. Much like a lot of people do to Gondo when he says anything even remotely positive. I'm pretty critical of the Suns org, and players, quite regularly.

I actually like Lens development so far. Optimistic? Sure.

People were also trashing my optimism of RoLo and he turned out to be exactly what I said he would.

By giririsss Go To PostIt's not, actually. It's just what you like to believe. Because if I say ANYTHING positive you jump on it and rampage around with it, largely on your own. You have a terrible habit of jihading / crusading against particular posters. Much like a lot of people do to Gondo when he says anything even remotely positive. I'm pretty critical of the Suns org, and players, quite regularly.

I actually like Lens development so far. Optimistic? Sure.

People were also trashing my optimism of RoLo and he turned out to be exactly what I said he would.

90% of your posts directed at me over 5 years have been negative. And I'm the one going after you? Really dude?

You absolutely overhype mediocre Suns players. That doesn't mean you never criticize the organization, but it does mean what it means. There are too many to name. And you blindly supported the 3 PG plan and the FO when everyone knew it was insane and bound to blow up, just as it did. Don't take it personal and lash out calling me a blithering idiot or whatever else.

Just off the top of my head Besides calling Chandler a great player (usually reserved for superstars or all stars), saying Alex Len is better than Whiteside, Dragic is a All NBA teamer (which would make him in the top 6 guards Pg or Sg in the league) you also recently compared Markieff to Millsap. Millsap who's consistent, not a knuckle head, rebounds more, gets more assists, more steals, plays better defense, and isn't putting up empty stats on a bad team.

Kieff is a PF on a small ball team that plays a fast pace getting 6 boards a game. That's Bargnani esque given th circumstances.

Dragic is probably a top 6 PG over the last two seasons.

Westbrook
Curry
CP3
Dragic
Wall
Conley

I wouldn't take Kyrie or Lillard over Goran.

By DY_nasty Go To PostOkay, set terms. Because which team is closer to that mark is ehhh as fuck

CLOSER?? now you changing terms. Charlotte 49 or Knicks 41. That was the bet.

and you laugh about us having decent defenders now when we had legitimately awful defenders getting significant minutes before and still managed to have a legitimate defense in spite of trainwreck season. usually when teams go to shit, the defense is the first thing to go. so yeah, it'll improve

meanwhile, you have nothing but hope.

1) I never ragged on Charlotte Team Defense outside of saying MKG will have to play D for the whole team.
2) You argument is eerily similar to my argument on how the Knicks D should (key word) be better, which you have been shitting on... so yeah...

By PSY! Go To PostDragic is probably a top 6 PG over the last two seasons.

Westbrook
Curry
CP3
Dragic
Wall
Conley

I wouldn't take Kyrie or Lillard over Goran.

You're insane.

Lillard doesn't even have an argument over Dragic and Kyrie is one season removed from playing Felton defense.

Lowery, Rose and even Parker laugh at PSY

Rose sucks
Parker is dead
Lowry died

By PSY! Go To PostDragic is probably a top 6 PG over the last two seasons.

Westbrook
Curry
CP3
Dragic
Wall
Conley

I wouldn't take Kyrie or Lillard over Goran.

All NBA 3rd team means top 6 guard. Which means throw in Harden, Klay, Wade, Jimmy in the mix too.

At his best, Dragic is somewhere between 10-15 in all NBA backcourt players. thats if you throw guys like Bledsoe, TP, Kyrie, healthy Jennings, or Lillard behind him.

By Vahagn Go To PostAll NBA 3rd team means top 6 guard. Which means throw in Harden, Klay, Wade, Jimmy in the mix too.

At his best, Dragic is somewhere between 10-15 in all NBA backcourt players. thats if you throw guys like Bledsoe, TP, Kyrie, healthy Jennings, or Lillard behind him.

Wasn't referring to the all nab part, just the top 6 point guard bit. I just can't name 6 point guards legitimately better than Dragic at this point.

By PSY! Go To PostWasn't referring to the all nab part, just the top 6 point guard bit. I just can't name 6 point guards legitimately better than Dragic at this point.

Eh, it's because TP, Kyrie, and Lowry dealt with injury issues. And Lillard had a down year.

Dragic is a top 10 PG and top 6 or 7 if multiple guys have injuries. Not to mention, he wasn't even the best PG on his own team in PHX many nights.

He's a really good player with an outside chance of making the all star team every year. That's solid, and probably worth a max, but it's not all NBA tier which was my main point in bringing him up.

By DY_nasty Go To Post@bolded: That's the thing, I can give you reasoning as to why they will that doesn't revolve around everyone having a career year at the same time. charlotte had some of the worst shooting in the last 10 years last season - and this offseason they've literally added shooting at every position. on the assumption that we have even slightly below league average shooting, implying that guys come here and play worse, that would still be a staggering improvement to our spacing, shot selection, and overall efficiency all over the court.

its a safe bet. and as far i know, faze is the only person to put his name down on disagreeing - and even then 49 wins is NOT what he's betting on either.

and you laugh about us having decent defenders now when we had legitimately awful defenders getting significant minutes before and still managed to have a legitimate defense in spite of trainwreck season. usually when teams go to shit, the defense is the first thing to go. so yeah, it'll improve

meanwhile, you have nothing but hope.

Name the bet again, because you've been hiding behind unrealistic terms for over a month now and I've forgot what the bet was. May as well say loser has to stop being a basketball fan.

Melo, although not stellar, is a better defender than Travis Wear or Cleanthony Early. Afflalo is better than Hardaway JR or Pipe, Lopez is better than Dalembert or Cole Aldrich, Galloway is much better than Calderon.

In fact, all of those guys, with the exception of Melo are good to great defenders. So, doesn't Frankman have the same reason for optimism you do?

Not to mention, the team has cleared out the knuckleheads and replaced them with high character guys like Afflalo and Calderon, Galloway, Amundson, RoLo.

When Washington got rid of McGee and the other knuckleheads, that team got better too, no?

By PSY! Go To PostDragic is probably a top 6 PG over the last two seasons.

Westbrook
Curry
CP3
Dragic
Wall
Conley

I wouldn't take Kyrie or Lillard over Goran.

I understand you had to deal with Mario Chalmers for years..but really doe?

Dragic is a pretty damn nice player.

I don't even think that saying Dragic is top 6 is a particularly strong statement.

By PSY! Go To PostI don't even think that saying Dragic is top 6 is a particularly strong statement.

I think Dragic is a great fit for the Heat but feel there are 6 better PGs than him

I sitting in the top 1/3

By KingGondo Go To PostDragic is a pretty damn nice player.

he is nice out of 30 starting PGs he better than 20ish

Dragic is top 10, not sure if he stays there this upcoming season tho.

Im rooting for the Hornets to get 49 wins now

The Jazz can get 49 wins. Serious.

Say I'm building for one season, I'd go

1. Stephen Curry
2. John Wall
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Chris Paul
5. Tony Parker
6. Goran Dragic
7. Kyrie Irving
8. Damian Lillard
9. Jeff Teague
10. Mike Conley
11. Eric Bledsoe

7 and 8 because of their inability on defense.
But if I'm honest, ideally I'm playing 1, 3, 7 and 8 as SGs. Wall to me is the best PG today.

I'd put Conley above Teague.

there are a lot of nice pgs in the league

;_;

By Vahagn Go To PostMelo, although not stellar, is a better defender than Travis Wear or Cleanthony Early. Afflalo is better than Hardaway JR or Pipe, Lopez is better than Dalembert or Cole Aldrich, Galloway is much better than Calderon.

In fact, all of those guys, with the exception of Melo are good to great defenders. So, doesn't Frankman have the same reason for optimism you do?

Not to mention, the team has cleared out the knuckleheads and replaced them with high character guys like Afflalo and Calderon, Galloway, Amundson, RoLo.

When Washington got rid of McGee and the other knuckleheads, that team got better too, no?

There has never been a defensive framework in place though.

If I were to ask what NY's strength was, what would you say it would be? You they have no identity or leadership on the floor. That's too many variables to justify a 30 win swing in one year.

Wall over YNB and CP3 for one season? lol what

By diehard Go To PostWall over YNB and CP3 for one season? lol what

Paul is a chump, but YNB is better at everything

By Vahagn Go To PostYou absolutely overhype mediocre Suns players. That doesn't mean you never criticize the organization, but it does mean what it means.

No, you love to take a statement I make, remember it how ever you want to remember it, and then debate your re-interpretation. We'll see a case of that below. Which is why I "reply negatively" to your continual harassment.

And you blindly supported the 3 PG plan

Nope. I always had the caveat that Bledsoe had to learn how to play off ball. He never did. And he never became the distributor that he needed to, if he was going to be the primary ball handler.

and the FO when everyone knew it was insane and bound to blow up,

Umm. No. Many people thought it was worth going for, and that the IT signing was the steal of the summer. The idea wasn't terrible. I'd back it still. But the player development and personalities needed to pull it off weren't there. I don't like the idea of playing 3 pg's on the floor at the SAME TIME. But having a never ending rotation of 3 high quality PG's to never let off the pressure is solid.

The floor comes in that some guys need the ball to score, some need it in their hands to stay in / get in rhythm. It ultimately failed. And badly. But many would have said playing a 6'6" guy at C would fail badly too. It's worth trying.

Also, IT is apparently the locker room cancer that DMC said he was. And watching him more this year, he's a really "me first" player. Good for a PG off the bench giving you scoring impact. Bad for a starting PG.

Just off the top of my head Besides calling Chandler a great player (usually reserved for superstars or all stars),

Tyson was an all star not 2 years ago (2013). And DPOTY. All NBA, and 3 time All Defensive. He's pretty damn good.

saying Alex Len is better than Whiteside

homerism, but whiteside still aint done much either.

Dragic is a All NBA teamer (which would make him in the top 6 guards Pg or Sg in the league)

Dragic Made the ALl NBA 3rd team that year (13-14).

you also recently compared Markieff to Millsap. Millsap who's consistent, not a knuckle head, rebounds more, gets more assists, more steals, plays better defense, and isn't putting up empty stats on a bad team.

Selective re-interpretation in play. I said his ceiling was millsap but he had a lot of growing to get there. He has talent, post moves, can take people off the dribble and finishes ok. He's undersized. He has some range from his spots. His skillset / build remind me of millsap.

But he has growing to do both in terms of his game, and mentally.

Kieff is a PF on a small ball team that plays a fast pace getting 6 boards a game. That's Bargnani esque given th circumstances.

Kieffs 6.2 is about smack bang "average". I'd like to see him push it up to ~ 7.5. But, in context, that puts him up there in the Blake territory. But if Kieff is ever going to make the leap, it's something he needs to do. A long with playing better overall defense. Something Milsap certainly has over him.

Dragi'cs 13 - 14 season was All NBA. Last season maybe not so much. But it was still pretty damn good. if 16 & 5 is his down year then EH. He'd also be one of the few guards to flat out shoot it over .500.

There are a lot of good PG's out there though. So even just a 4ppg drop can really move you down the list fast.

By DY_nasty Go To PostPaul is a chump, but YNB is better at everything

YNB still sucks at running an offense. It's just hidden in OKC because they never had an offense to run.

By diehard Go To PostWall over YNB and CP3 for one season? lol what

WIthout a doubt. Westbrook's only way to make people around him better is by being threatening. Wall is the best PG in the league thanks to 3 things he leads everyone at. Playing within a system, fastbreak with multiple people and defending. I know this community has been weird because it's full of excessive fandom (I remember the DJ Augustin v John Wall discussions), but I will definitely stand by it. Paul works with a supporting cast that is miles ahead and gambles on D. I'm not saying Wall is more accomplished. I'm saying, he's who I'd go to war with.

By Gabyskra Go To PostWIthout a doubt. Westbrook's only way to make people around him better is by being threatening. Wall is the best PG in the league thanks to 3 things he leads everyone at. Playing within a system, fastbreak with multiple people and defending. I know this community has been weird because it's full of excessive fandom (I remember the DJ Augustin v John Wall discussions), but I will definitely stand by it. Paul works with a supporting cast that is miles ahead and gambles on D. I'm not saying Wall is more accomplished. I'm saying, he's who I'd go to war with.

I'd take Conley over both. In a "team mates unknown" situation.

He has no real glaring flaw in his game. He's not beastly at one aspect either...

By giririsss Go To PostI'd take Conley over both. In a "team mates unknown" situation.

He has no real glaring flaw in his game. He's not beastly at one aspect either…

Conley is not a good enough creator. He's the definition of solid, the anti-Westbrook, but he's lacking some firepower.

I can't say i believe in advanced stats at all and say Wall is the best PG in the league.

By Gabyskra Go To PostConley is not a good enough creator. He's the definition of solid, the anti-Westbrook, but he's lacking some firepower.

Conley is a pretty good creator. He's just not really asked to do a lot of it in MEM. He'll literally break down his man twice, then stop even looking for it. Just using the threat of it to create space for others. His hesitation / change of pace is really good.

He doesn't have that "god mode" though. where he'll drop 50 on you. But i'd take him over YNB / Wall because he's just so damn versatile.

Walls lack of shooting really does hurt the Wiz. In the post season in particular. He shot 2.4 3's a game, and made .4 of them, shooting .176. He's rounded out the rest of his game well enough. but he may just end up suffering the rondo fate.

By knux-future Go To Postthere are a lot of nice pgs in the league

;_;

It's a the deepest position in the league.

I was watching some Rubio highlights from last year earlier and I forgot how good he was when he was played. Like the triple double he put up on Chris Paul. I really want this season to start.

Would bet money on Ricky getting injured in December

By PSY! Go To PostWould bet money on Ricky getting injured in December

I don't want to say he's injury prone, but of course, all of the hopes I'm pinning on Rubio are contingent on health.

He isn't playing for Spain this summer so I feel pretty good about him making it through the year. He's had months to get right. Also, I don't want to imagine how bad they'll be if doesn't play like 70 games.

By DY_nasty Go To PostThere has never been a defensive framework in place though.

If I were to ask what NY's strength was, what would you say it would be? You they have no identity or leadership on the floor. That's too many variables to justify a 30 win swing in one year.

I legit have no idea how good they'll be. Because this starting 5 hasn't played together and I have no clue if Melo is Melo after the surgery, I'm just saying, from a defensive standpoint, Frankman has more to hold on to then *just* hope.

Literally every position has been upgraded defensively in the starting unit. Especially if Amundson or Quinn starts at the 4 because the previous 4 was Jason Smith and Bargnani.

Phil has unquestionably improved the team's level of defensive talent, now it's gonna be up to Fisher and Melo to get everyone bought in and executing a solid defensive system.

Seems like both the Hornets and the Knicks have added defensive talent to the roster this summer.

By giririsss Go To PostNo, you love to take a statement I make, remember it how ever you want to remember it, and then debate your re-interpretation. We'll see a case of that below. Which is why I "reply negatively" to your continual harassment.

Dude, I don't *only* praise Phil and Kobe, (I criticized Phil numerous times this year, and, among other things, suggested LA amnesty Kobe after the Achilles. I was right) but I do it enough to earn the reputation as someone who does it a lot. Gondo doesn't *only* homer it up with OKC and you don't *only* overhype mediocre Suns players - but you sure as hell do it enough to deserve the label. Considering you suggested I compete with Jeanie in giving Phil BJ's - it's clear my assessment of you is a lot less extreme and more fair than yours of me.

Nope. I always had the caveat that Bledsoe had to learn how to play off ball. He never did. And he never became the distributor that he needed to, if he was going to be the primary ball handler.


Umm. No. Many people thought it was worth going for, and that the IT signing was the steal of the summer. The idea wasn't terrible. I'd back it still. But the player development and personalities needed to pull it off weren't there. I don't like the idea of playing 3 pg's on the floor at the SAME TIME. But having a never ending rotation of 3 high quality PG's to never let off the pressure is solid.

Your team spent something like 200 million in contracts on 3 guys who play the same position, haven't shown an ability to play the 2 or the 3 for long stretches, and who all need the ball to be effective. Most everyone was calling it a train wreck waiting to happen months before the eventual Dragic trade requests and you were defending McD throughout that process. Let's not re-write history now.

Tyson was an all star not 2 years ago (2013). And DPOTY. All NBA, and 3 time All Defensive. He's pretty damn good.

So was Kobe. But he's not a great player in 2015, neither is Tyson. And honestly, Tyson's never been "great" - but reasonable people can disagree on the usage of that term.

Selective re-interpretation in play. I said his ceiling was millsap but he had a lot of growing to get there. He has talent, post moves, can take people off the dribble and finishes ok. He's undersized. He has some range from his spots. His skillset / build remind me of millsap.

But he has growing to do both in terms of his game, and mentally.

Kieffs 6.2 is about smack bang "average". I'd like to see him push it up to ~ 7.5. But, in context, that puts him up there in the Blake territory. But if Kieff is ever going to make the leap, it's something he needs to do. A long with playing better overall defense. Something Milsap certainly has over him.

What selective reinterpretation? I know what you said. I NEVER said you *equated* Kieff with Millsap, I said you compared the two. Kieff is a one dimensional basketball player putting up good offensive numbers on a bad team pushing the pace whereas Millsap is a complete basketball player on both sides of the ball, been really really good for years and is a 180 of Kieff as far as maturity and professionalism go. It's a bad comparison even when discussing potential.

By Vahagn Go To PostI legit have no idea how good they'll be. Because this starting 5 hasn't played together and I have no clue if Melo is Melo after the surgery, I'm just saying, from a defensive standpoint, Frankman has more to hold on to then *just* hope.

Literally every position has been upgraded defensively in the starting unit. Especially if Amundson or Quinn starts at the 4 because the previous 4 was Jason Smith and Bargnani.

Phil has unquestionably improved the team's level of defensive talent, now it's gonna be up to Fisher and Melo to get everyone bought in and executing a solid defensive system.

Seems like both the Hornets and the Knicks have added defensive talent to the roster this summer.

They're not equivalent though.

Hornets in a trainwreck were still in the top 1/3rd of the league. The previous year, the team had a top 5 defense. If the Hornets were a top 5 defense again this year, it wouldn't surprise anyone. The Knicks? If they looked cohesive in any way by January, that would be shattering expectations. Its easy to coach guys who were just bagging groceries the month before. They'll do everything and anything.

So Dy, bringing in guys who are used to playing decent NBA defense/can dribble and chew gum at the same time isn't enough of a positive? I mean it still sounds like the argument you are using for Charlotte is the same basic premise why the Knicks D AND O will be better.

Sidenote: diehard, knicks payment deadline for the SLAENT Fantasy Football League is 9/5. Sent you both PMs on the other forum.

By DY_nasty Go To PostIts easy to coach guys who were just bagging groceries the month before. They'll do everything and anything.

Larry Brown begs to differ. Never could get those Bobcats to play the right way.

By The Frankman Go To PostSo Dy, bringing in guys who are used to playing decent NBA defense/can dribble and chew gum at the same time isn't enough of a positive? I mean it still sounds like the argument you are using for Charlotte is the same basic premise why the Knicks D AND O will be better.

Sidenote: diehard, knicks payment deadline for the SLAENT Fantasy Football League is 9/5. Sent you both PMs on the other forum.
Larry Brown begs to differ. Never could get those Bobcats to play the right way.

I didn't say it wasn't a positive. I said it wasn't going take a team from 17 wins to 40. Especially if you're talking about a team that isn't fundamentally broken in an effort to lose intentionally. THAT can be fixed almost immediately. A completely depleted roster though? Doesn't work the same way. There's no picking up where you left off, shoring up a certain deficiency in an established framework, no baseline. You're looking at being an older, less sexy Orlando Magic from last year tbh.

Especially when a solid amount of your wins came from teams that were resting starters, out partying, or generally not even taking your team seriously. Just don't see it.

By all mean, work on that bet though.

That's a fair point, I will say though that at least most of the guys who came in came from winning backgrounds/are legitimately happy to play in NY (RoLo, Q'Quinn, and Afflalo). They still have a few hustle and work guys like Galloway, Thomas and Amundson (who got paid due to said hustle), Jerian Grant was a baller at Notre Dame and will improve the D at PG, and a healthy Calderon should improve the shooting. Plus Fisher already has been running much more PnR to play more to the team's strengths... Unless Carmelo is fucked I don't see them not getting to 35.

EDIT: As for framework, we saw the beginning of that the end of last year. Hustle, playing hard, grinding out and effort. I mentioned the D-League guys Galloway/Thomas/Amundson. Add Thanasis Antetokounmpo (DEFENSIVE SWAG) and RoLo to that mix. Knicks are hoping Afflalo isn't done like last year, and we saw good things from Kristaps so maybe he won't be a garbagetime hero by January.

By The Frankman Go To PostThat's a fair point, I will say though that at least most of the guys who came in came from winning backgrounds/are legitimately happy to play in NY (RoLo, Q'Quinn, and Afflalo). They still have a few hustle and work guys like Galloway, Thomas and Amundson (who got paid due to said hustle), Jerian Grant was a baller at Notre Dame and will improve the D at PG, and a healthy Calderon should improve the shooting. Plus Fisher already has been running much more PnR to play more to the team's strengths… Unless Carmelo is fucked I don't see them not getting to 35.

I mean, I honestly think that Robin Lopez has a chance to have his best season ever and that Grant will be the surprise of the draft.

Its just that still is an incredibly shallow team and I also think Carmelo hit that wall already. I don't think he's fucked and washed, but I don't think he can be an efficient scorer on a good team anymore.

bruh i dont see a pm

By diehard Go To Postbruh i dont see a pm

crap! it didn't go through??? One sec... gimme your GAF name again?