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By Dark PhaZe Go To Postyou don't turn down a melo and LMA combo in the eastern conference when it doesn't cost you anything besides drafting a different player rated in the same tier

with that said I doubt LMA was serious about it

Who turned down LMA? If they drafted WCS would you say "you don't turn down a Marc Gasol/ Melo combo"? Because that's legit the argument you just made.

They had no assurances from LMA. Look at the Lakers for guidance on a team that picked a draft pick just to give themselves the ability to sign a star big man FA.

Your pro-Phil and Kobe schtick tired out years ago, so you first. Plus, calling a longtime Knicks-fan anti-Phil is counter-intuitive.

I actually like the Porzingis pick quite a lot. About time the Knicks think internationally. That's my bias, which I acknowledge, no problem. You don't acknowledge yours.

I didn't say this is like 1984, I said your reasoning is, think needs before talent. Could be true for some positions for the NFL, not all though, but absolutely never for the NBA. You get the pieces, sort it the fuck out after. Getting LMA and a position jam is a problem you want to have because he's that good. We're not talking David Lee here.

And I didn't say anything about the Knicks missing out on LMA, it was sadly too long a shot for a number of reasons unrelated to what happened in June; I'm saying that there's no rational being who thinks this is for the better in the end. I'm saying, you take the talent when you can. Always. No one refuses to trade Lopez and Afflalo (or a package of Lopez, O'Quinn, D-Will) for the best interior scorer in the league. Not a single soul. Even Phil would do it in a second today. Yet, you have people like you and delusional Knicks fans who think that the Knicks, in a hypothetical, should not even consider it, or that it would be neutral. It is not, for a million reasons.

Tell me, you're Phil, do you deal one of these two packages for LMA? Or do you not? Get real now. Enough with the shtick that God can't do no wrong.

By Dipro Go To Posttook them 7 games and a hobbled CP3 to embarrass them?

Literally started Jason Terry at PG and Josh Smith at PF

The Warriors 5 best players are Curry/Iggy/Klay/Green/Bogut.

Or 5 of the top 7, all playing a different position.

Is getting LMA instead of Porzi a better deal? Sure! But once you have Porzi, acting like signing a strong SG and C is a bad deal is just weird.

I love how you mentioned MJ but didn't mention Philly circa 2014-2015 getting 14 centers and PHX getting 14 PG's and their teams being hot garbage and poorly constructed.

Also, Reilo, Gaby absolutely dislikes Phil, that shit is more obvious than his condescending attitude.

We can't sign Iggy, we just tanked for Harrison Barnes crew

I disliked John Nash and Steve Patterson for the shitty job they did managing the Blazers in the early to mid-00s. Was I being irrational back then, too?

By reilo Go To PostI disliked John Nash and Steve Patterson for the shitty job they did managing the Blazers in the early to mid-00s. Was I being irrational back then, too?

Comparing missing out on a chance to talk to LMA to missing out on drafting Jordan is irrational.

By Vahagn Go To PostAlso, Reilo, Gaby absolutely dislikes Phil, that shit is more obvious than his condescending attitude

Liking? This ain't about liking Phil, it's about how you'll justify something that wasn't even his decision because you think that protects his legacy. This is NOT about Phil doing the right or the wrong thing here, it is about shortsighted fans who will always see the good even in something that Phil would NOT do. If he could trade every player he got this summer for LMA alone, he would do it. Of course he would. Fucking play Galloway instead of Derrick Williams, that's the kind of switch that does not make a lick of difference, unlike getting LMA which Asphalts said would not have any positive consequence.

Also, that's a side discussion, but do I have an opinion on how much you can get for Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and the rest? Yeah I think you can get more than Calderon, that's what I think.

By Vahagn Go To PostComparing missing out on a chance to talk to LMA to missing out on drafting Jordan is irrational.

Re-read. It's about your mentality, prioritizing positional needs over grabbing a 23-10 player in an era full of shitty ass 8-7s.

Do you do the deal? Do you trade Lopez-O'Quinn-DWill for LMA or not?
I'm not saying Phil could have, I'm saying Asphalts says the better end of the deal is with Lopez and this is ludicrous.

I know we like to clown the Knicks but lets be real LA was NEVER going to go there. As soon as the Spurs became a legit option, everybody knew it was a waste of time.

I, too, think that article was BS. NYDaily been trash too.

also, no more 4/5s

faze sweatin

By Gabyskra Go To PostYou realize LMA cost less than Lopez and Afflalo combined? You'd still have 8M (O'Quinn, Derrick Williams) and the 2.8M exception…

In the NBA, you get the great pieces if you can. Always. It's a 5 men game.

You realize he sacrificed money to go to the Spurs because it virtually guarantees him a ring, right? If the Spurs were not an option, he'd have been asking for max or near max dollars from NY.

Also, this entire argument is downright stupid because we are arguing a completely hypothetical scenario that NOBODY even paid any attention to. He never considered the Knicks. He knew that. They knew that. That's why canceling the meeting was so quick and simple for all parties involved.

DeAndre and Monroe were the only two who had the Knicks high on their lists. DJ said just today he loved their presentation and they were a top 3 contender for him. That we can debate. LMA? Pointless.

By Gabyskra Go To PostRe-read. It's about your mentality, prioritizing positional needs over grabbing a 23-10 player in an era full of shitty ass 8-7s.

Do you do the deal? Do you trade Lopez-O'Quinn-DWill for LMA or not?
I'm not saying Phil could have, I'm saying Asphalts says the better end of the deal is with Lopez and this is ludicrous.

I don't. Sorry. Giving up 1 very good player, 1 good player, and 1 mediocre player for 1 great player? That's a tough pill to swallow. If you narrowed it down to Lopez + Afflalo...yeah, I'd probably say okay.

What's with KD talking all this shit and giving the media all these hype quotes? That's all I've been seeing on twitter these days.

By AlphaSnacks Go To PostI don't. Sorry. Giving up 1 very good player, 1 good player, and 1 mediocre player for 1 great player? That's a tough pill to swallow. If you narrowed it down to Lopez + Afflalo…yeah, I'd probably say okay.

naw, always take the great player

Well, okay, here's my argument then:

If Portland had to choose between keeping LMA or Afflalo and Lopez, which do you think they take? If you say Afflalo and Lopez, then you're full of shit.

Portland easily could've kept Lopez and Afflalo, but when LMA walked they didn't even offer them a contract. What does that tell you? That's why Phil's hypothetical "we wouldn't have wanted him anyway" is shit.

By Vahagn Go To PostLebron not on that list? C'mon son.

I would put Irving and healthy Melo there too. If it was about efficiency then YNB wouldn't make the cut. But as just unstoppable scoring forces.

Those 4 plus Bron/Melo/Irving

I just started the list son.

and about Westbrook the conversation started with AI so yeah.

Thinking I might go to the Spurs/Lakers game. I've never seen Kobe play in person.

By obijkenobi Go To PostThinking I might go to the Spurs/Lakers game. I've never seen Kobe play in person.

you can see him play his natural position at PF

By reilo Go To PostWell, okay, here's my argument then:

If Portland had to choose between keeping LMA or Afflalo and Lopez, which do you think they take? If you say Afflalo and Lopez, then you're full of shit.

Portland easily could've kept Lopez and Afflalo, but when LMA walked they didn't even offer them a contract. What does that tell you? That's why Phil's hypothetical "we wouldn't have wanted him anyway" is shit.

Portland had infinitely better depth to backup LMA if they lost Lopez and Afflalo. The Knicks wouldn't have that luxury. Without Lopez and Afflalo, Portland still would have Wes and Batum, and most importantly Lillard. The four of them together are still an easy playoff contending team.

In New York, it'd just have been LMA and Melo with a few rookie point guards and a rookie prospect.

By blackace Go To Postyou can see him play his natural position at PF

Lol

By blackace Go To Postyou can see him play his natural position at PF

Lol. If only Phil was this visionary

So this entire time Tristan Thompson has yet to be signed and no other team threw him an offer during restricted free agency? Or is it that no one wants Tristan Thompson?

By Shun Go To PostSo this entire time Tristan Thompson has yet to be signed and no other team threw him an offer during restricted free agency? Or is it that no one wants Tristan Thompson?

Little of both.

Everyone assumed TT staying was a done deal, no sense is tying up your cap with what was seen as basically done. Plus early on Bron said he wouldn't sign til TT was signed.

I wonder if he takes the QO, if any team will offer him a max if his production is still average looking.

There were 3 max centers on the market (Monroe, DJ, Marc) and 2 other near max defensive/rebounding ones (RoLo/Tyson) vs two max PF's (Love/LMA).

Do you take 1) WCS hoping to land LMA or Love or 2) draft Zingis and go after one of the 5 C's.

What's a more sensible strategy, playing the odds and knowing how much of a long shot LMA and Love are?

I'm with you if LMA gave them some verbal commitment and they said fuck u, we're getting Zingis. But once you get Zingis - you either ship him out or go after a C. That's common sense I think.

Also, while its probably a good idea to draft on talent instead of need (due to value of rookie contracts) it's not the same when you're throwing max money at redundant positions on your roster.

Btw - this is partly why I wanted them to draft Mario. He can play the 2 or 3 and allow Melo to play the 3 and 4. It also allows them to go after all 7 of the marquee big name FA's because their 4/5 full time spots would be open.

He's also just a better and more polished player.

I just don't see the criticism AFTER they drafted Zingis for why they would prioritize a center. I mean, why wouldn't they?

By Moris Go To PostLittle of both.

Everyone assumed TT staying was a done deal, no sense is tying up your cap with what was seen as basically done. Plus early on Bron said he wouldn't sign til TT was signed.

I wonder if he takes the QO, if any team will offer him a max if his production is still average looking.

It must feel pretty shitty to be told you're getting 80 million only to back track on that and have no other team deem you as a player worth offering a contract sheet to during RFA.

Fuck even Enes Kanter got an offer from Portland.

By the way which All Star Point Guard has worse defence?
Kyrie Irving or Damian Lillard? Both live off their offence and passing but are seen as mediocre defenders.

By Shun Go To PostBy the way which All Star Point Guard has worse defence?
Kyrie Irving or Damian Lillard? Both live off their offence and passing but are seen as mediocre defenders.

Kyrie during the regular season because he doesn't even try and fake that he's playing defense.

Lillard during the playoffs cause he's just legitimately bad a t it.

By giririsss Go To PostKyrie during the regular season because he doesn't even try and fake that he's playing defense.

Lillard during the playoffs cause he's just legitimately bad a t it.

Lillard is just bad against any real defense that feels like taking him seriously. I was on the fence with him before this past season, now I outright dislike the guy. He's in for a rude awakening this year without LMA to take off all the pressure.

By thekad Go To PostLiterally started Jason Terry at PG and Josh Smith at PF

Austin Rivers.

By Dipro Go To PostAustin Rivers.

Weren't the clippers up like 20 in the 4th quarter in a closeout game?
At home?

And got beat by Josh Smith and friends?

By Vahagn Go To PostHe's also just a better and more polished player.

Hezonja is polished, Lopez+Afflalo over Aldridge, denial that Porzingis might very well be the 4th/5th interior player on the rotation anyway at is stands, bandwagoning because of Phil, arguing that LMA and Melo shouldn't play at the same time...

So much wrong. Can't compute.

if it was any body else would he ride this hard?

By blackace Go To Postif it was any body else would he ride this hard?

but triangle

By DY_nasty Go To Postbut triangle

don't forget the irritational Mike D hate

Vahaugn is still supposed to be clowning any organization for picking Zingis over Zonja.

Less Phill defense, more clowning pls.

who wins?

Durant, Curry,Westbrook, Davis and Harden all on the same team?

Too easy.

By Eatadick6969 Go To PostDurant, Curry,Westbrook, Davis and Harden all on the same team?

Too easy.

3 of them were on the same team and didn't even win the title. ;)

Blue has Kawhi, Griffin, LeBron, CP3, Boogie and Melo

By Gabyskra Go To PostHezonja is polished, Lopez+Afflalo over Aldridge, denial that Porzingis might very well be the 4th/5th interior player on the rotation anyway at is stands, bandwagoning because of Phil, arguing that LMA and Melo shouldn't play at the same time…

So much wrong. Can't compute.

Holy shit, now you're just trolling I'm sure

Hezonja more polished than Zingis? Yes, fucking clearly.

LMA never a realistic target. Why aren't u arguing NY should have got Lebron? Or one of the Monstars from space jam It's almost the same level of stupid argument.

Zingis might be 4th big in rotation now sure, but getting a max PF for 4 years means his development will be stunted. Are you really this dense? Name me 3 teams that have gotten a top 4 pick, then maxed out a guy for 4 or 5 years at that same position one month later. Go ahead, I'll wait.

FFS you had to go back to 1984 Portland to criticize my line of thinking or Phil, that's how absurd you are. Clownshoes.

Skipping over PHX and 3 PG's. Philly and 3 Centers. Minny drafting Rubio and Flynn, as examples of me being right that it's a bad idea to load up on a single position and leave holes in other ones and going back to Michael fucking Jordan to make an argument. That's how desperate you are to attack Phil at all accounts.

In your mind, not only did NY have assurances from LMA and passed on them because every knick fan and Phil are all less intelligent than you but he was the next 23 year old Michael Jordan to boot.

(Btw - Portland's plan failed because Bowie was injured trash. Imagine them drafting Hakeem and keeping Clyde though? - how great would that team have been).

By blackace Go To Postdon't forget the irritational Mike D hate

Mike made Phil (lol) but D'Antoni's a good coach?

TD didn't make Pop, Magic didn't make Riley, Mike didn't make Phil. Those three guys are the best coaches ever and succeeded everywhere they went.

D'Antoni has underachieved everywhere he went without prime Nash. So, tell me again - which player made which coach?

You really can't read. Literally off-point on everything. Kinda fascinating.

By Gabyskra Go To PostYou really can't read. Literally off-point on everything. Kinda fascinating.

Used your exact words. But I can't read.

You made a dumb argument, like a troll, every time there's a chance to take pot shots at Phil. Then you tried to squirm around and rebrand your argument. You made the "your perspective leads to missing out on MJ" arguments then backtracked and pretended that you didn't.

Go yell at women in relationships for being stupid and oppressed and leave the basketball talk to grown men.

By Vahagn Go To PostGo yell at women in relationships for being stupid and oppressed and leave the basketball talk to grown men.

What? :D
You're funnier by the day.

By Gabyskra Go To PostWhat? :D
You're funnier by the day.

Again, things you've said. You're really bad at keeping track of the arguments you make and the positions you hold.

Case in point:

Me: I wish they drafted Hezonja instead of Zingis. He's the better and more polished player

You: Hezonja is polished? Can't compute

Me: More polished than Zingis? Yes clearly

You: you can't read, that's not what I said.


Just curious, how big are those clownshoes you're wearing today

The Jazz are a treadmill team.

Favors is not part of a dominant front-court.

By diehard Go To PostThe Jazz are a treadmill team.

Favors is not part of a dominant front-court.

Lol, with Enes that front court wasn't dominant. Unless you want to get Gondolike in your praise of Kanter now.

But yea, the Jazz have done a good job of getting a more balanced team than they had when their 4 most important players were all 4's and 5's.

I haven't been trolling the Jazz seriously for at least a season or two anyway.

Protip: I'd wait till this team actually makes the playoffs before calling them good

By Dipro Go To Post
who wins?

Blue.

Bron, CP, Melo, Kawhi, DJ > KD, YNB, LMA, Harden, AD.

By AlphaSnacks Go To PostBlue.

Bron, CP, Melo, Kawhi, DJ > KD, YNB, LMA, Harden, AD.

And the blue team has Klay, conley and cousin. Even with curry and butler on the white team blue team should win easy.