i'm not sure that the best college players wouldn't do really well in the olympics--wouldn't get past spain, but they'd beat everyone else
By Dark PhaZe Go To Posti'm not sure that the best college players wouldn't do really well in the olympics–wouldn't get past spain, but they'd beat everyone else
Please, please, please do that.
Bring some kids together and forget the fact that you're talking about opponents with teams of grown men who have played together for a decade.
It's like 1988 (2006, 2004, 2002...) never happened.
What would it even look like at that point? Ben Simmons and Jaylen Brown taking on France, Serbia, Lithuania, Spain, etc? Lol.
By Gabyskra Go To PostWhat would it even look like at that point? Ben Simmons and Jaylen Brown taking on France, Serbia, Lithuania, Spain, etc? Lol.
pretty much, yes.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postpretty much, yes.
Not only do we need NBA players to win, we need really good NBA players to win.
We've lost before with young/bad NBA players. And we've lost before with college kids. Yea, 10 of our best guys annihilate the global competition. But that doesn't mean you can go to any 10 guys and win.
Going to college players shows a lack of respect for other countries. Then losing when showing a lack of respect. Keep trotting out at least 5 of the top 25 NBA players, and then 7 or 8 of the younger up and coming guys. I'd be fine with that.
Wall
Kyrie
Harden
Jabari
Klay
Durant
Kawhi
Blake
Love
Davis
RoLo
Towns
That would be a good mix (forgot wiggins was Canadian for a second)
Towns already played for the Dominican Republic he cant play for Team USA.
Rolo and not Favors is weird too.
Rolo and not Favors is weird too.
Good Charlotte? The Hornets and the Sliding Scale of NBA Mediocrity
more good stuff there from Lowe
When Vonleh fell, Jordan concluded the team could not pass him up. Jordan ordered a last-minute vote, and a majority of the draft room favored Vonleh, sources say. Jordan was also pro-Vonleh. (Cho would not discuss the vote, or whether he stuck with McDermott.) Taken together, Charlotte has rejected a total of six first-round picks over two drafts to select Kaminsky and Vonleh
more good stuff there from Lowe
basketball has gotten much better worldwide if someone believes a bunch of 18/ 19 year old boys would win in the Olympics... lol
By blackace Go To Postbasketball has gotten much better worldwide if someone believes a bunch of 18/ 19 year old boys would win in the Olympics… lolYeah, I don't think there's any way we'd beat Spain, Argentina, Russia, France with a bunch of kids. A lot of countries are way too good for that now.
Instead of just college players, you could be competitive with an U-25 squad...
... but even a U-25 squad with Lebron, Melo and Wade lost to the likes of Lithuania, Puerto Rico and Argentina in 2004 and they were anchored by Tim Duncan.
... but even a U-25 squad with Lebron, Melo and Wade lost to the likes of Lithuania, Puerto Rico and Argentina in 2004 and they were anchored by Tim Duncan.
Brazil would crush them too.
*^Larry Brown effect.
And finally seeing the deal for Kaminsky? FOH. That package was trash. 16, 15, one of Brooklyn's picks, and the Grizz OR Wolves pick? That is garbage. People were acting like we turned down 3 top 10 picks or something.
*^Larry Brown effect.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostGood Charlotte? The Hornets and the Sliding Scale of NBA MediocrityI didn't even know about the potential Bulls trade for the 9th pick last year until then - but lol they lost twice.
more good stuff there from Lowe
And finally seeing the deal for Kaminsky? FOH. That package was trash. 16, 15, one of Brooklyn's picks, and the Grizz OR Wolves pick? That is garbage. People were acting like we turned down 3 top 10 picks or something.
“We’ve seen over the last few years that players want to be here,” Cho says. “Free agents want to come here.”
Vonleh wasn’t ready last season, and the trouble he and Biyombo had adjusting to the NBA has Jordan swinging back toward proven college players. “That was our focus on Frank [Kaminsky],” Polk says. “He’s 22. He’s mature. With a lot of the one-and-done guys, you don’t know what you’re getting.”LOL
Boston is not getting that Wolves pick. It's top-12 protected this year and then becomes a second. They'll be better, but I'd be shocked if they're that much better that it actually conveys.
So they weren't even offering a first there.
So they weren't even offering a first there.
“You have two minutes to decide: ‘Do I want to do this trade?’” says Polk, one of five men atop Charlotte’s decision tree.What
The others: Jordan, Rich Cho, Chad Buchanan, and Larry Jordan (Michael’s brother).
By diehard Go To PostUhhh that is a ton for Kaminsky.That is shit.
15/16 even in a good draft like this one is a massive drop off. Then Brooklyn's pick in whatever alternate timeline that it gets to us too? I wouldn't even take that trade in 2k.
By SamuraiX- Go To PostCho sounds like he's in almost as much denial as DY.I'm sorry - what did you get for your top 5 pick again? 👀
almost
The biggest red flag from that an entire article is that Jordan is in win-now mode without any cornerstone piece on his roster like Anthony Davis. They gave up on a 19-year-old Vonleh because he wasn't ready to produce in his rookie season and instead want "proven" 4-year college players. It sounds to me like Jordan has completely thrown Cho's analytical system out of the window and is going by gut moves.
You play the odds, the chance that you get a really good player from #16, #15, two future firsts is much better than Kaminsky being really good.
As mentioned in the article, had they taken that offer from Chicago last year one of the players they would have got was Hood.
As mentioned in the article, had they taken that offer from Chicago last year one of the players they would have got was Hood.
By diehard Go To PostYou play the odds, the chance that you get a really good player from #16, #15, two future firsts is much better than Kaminsky being really good.Seemingly, the argument that the Hornets FO is hinging on is that Kaminsky is a sure-fire bet and great player.
As mentioned in the article, had they taken that offer from Chicago one of the players they would have got was Hood.
By reilo Go To PostThe biggest red flag from that an entire article is that Jordan is in win-now mode without any cornerstone piece on his roster like Anthony Davis. They gave up on a 19-year-old Vonleh because he wasn't ready to produce in his rookie season and instead want "proven" 4-year college players. It sounds to me like Jordan has completely thrown Cho's analytical system out of the window and is going by gut moves.You're making it sound like we tanked for Vonleh lol. Dude was a free pick that we got from what? Flipping Stephen Jackson, then flipping Magette. Our pick was PJ, and that's a fair gamble that late in the 1st round.
Maybe the reason MJ felt like going in on a win-now mentality was because we went from a WOAT defense and record holders in failure to a top 5 defense and a playoff team damn near over night. Nothing immediate hinged on Vonleh's success. Hell, the best thing he could've reasonably done this year still wouldn't measure up to what Batum would do for the team.
By diehard Go To PostYou play the odds, the chance that you get a really good player from #16, #15, two future firsts is much better than Kaminsky being really good.That's Lowe coming out of his ass. We never were gonna take Hood over PJ.
As mentioned in the article, had they taken that offer from Chicago last year one of the players they would have got was Hood.
And if you play the odds, the guys in the top 10 do a lot better than guys outside the lottery.
I don't blame them for not taking the Vonleh offer, it wasn't a great offer.. i was just using as an example for increasing your odds to get a good player.
Tanking sucks, it's an unfair thing to ask fans to pay for. Even if it's financially driven and Jordan just prefers not to tank and lose money, eh, so what. I will never have a problem with trying to put a good product on the floor. If the Hornets win like 44 games and make the playoffs, is that a bad season? Their fans got to see pretty good ball, even if the endgame doesn't involve championship aspirations.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postpretty much, yes.
That is the kind of arrogance and ignorance that makes the rest of the world generalize about Americans.
By rodeoclown Go To PostTanking sucks, it's an unfair thing to ask fans to pay for. Even if it's financially driven and Jordan just prefers not to tank and lose money, eh, so what. I will never have a problem with trying to put a good product on the floor. If the Hornets win like 44 games and make the playoffs, is that a bad season? Their fans got to see pretty good ball, even if the endgame doesn't involve championship aspirations.I mean shit. At least Knux has GOOD assets. Brooklyn's pick is a complete crapshoot, Memphis/Minnesota are legit worthless next year imo, and 15/16 this year, best cast scenario are Oubre and Jerian Grant - on worse contracts than what we got Lamb and Lin for lol.
That package was weak as hell.
The Cats a top 5 defensive team? With Kemba and Al Jefferson getting major starting minutes?
Is Batum gonna sacrifice 33 virgins for the power to channel prime Scottie Pippen or some shit?
DY pls
Is Batum gonna sacrifice 33 virgins for the power to channel prime Scottie Pippen or some shit?
DY pls
We know what Lin and Lamb are, we don't know what Oubre and Grant will be.
"that will make a potential max deal for Batum a little less painful"
I feel like im taking crazy pills
"that will make a potential max deal for Batum a little less painful"
I feel like im taking crazy pills
By SamuraiX- Go To PostThe Cats a top 5 defensive team? With Kemba and Al Jefferson getting major starting minutes?
Is Batum gonna sacrifice 33 virgins for the power to channel prime Scottie Pippen or some shit?
DY pls
MKG alone had them as a top 10 defensive team...its not a stretch really.
By SamuraiX- Go To PostThe Cats a top 5 defensive team? With Kemba and Al Jefferson getting major starting minutes?Like... we actually were a top 5 defensive team after being one the worst in the league though. So whatchu saying right now. Shit we managed a top 10 defense this year with a clusterfuck going on. but aite. you clearly trying to get this spotlight off your WOAT offseason
Is Batum gonna sacrifice 33 virgins for the power to channel prime Scottie Pippen or some shit?
DY pls
but naw. we ain't having that. how many 1st round picks did you get for Stauskus. At least you got a good player out of that, right?
By diehard Go To PostWe know what Lin and Lamb are, we don't know what Oubre and Grant will be."we don't know what oubre and grant will be"
"that will make a potential max deal for Batum a little less painful"
I feel like im taking crazy pills
no. we don't. but the odds, since you keep pointing it out, show that guys picked outside of the lottery have a dramatically smaller chance of being successful in the league compared to those in the top 10, top 5, etc. odds are, that 'we don't know' ends with 'will be shit'.
and it really isn't like frank was a reach or highly questionable prospect or something. doug was a massive questionmark and plays like one.
Yeah thats all true but 4 of them make up for it..
I mean i'm not gonna look it up or anything but thats what my brain is telling me.
I mean i'm not gonna look it up or anything but thats what my brain is telling me.
how can you even begin to trust the cats FO when they've struck out on 3 big men in the last 4 drafts lol
oubre, grant, and future picks are a fucking great haul given circumstances
oubre, grant, and future picks are a fucking great haul given circumstances
By Dark PhaZe Go To Posthow can you even begin to trust the cats FO when they've struck out on 3 big men in the last 4 drafts lolbecause we came from signing walter fuckin hermann and letting larry brown burn the city to actually having some shit go right
oubre, grant, and future picks are a fucking great haul given circumstances
hell, how fucked would your team be if you didn't get a #1 pick?
how can you trust YOUR fo?
a late 1st round pick to a middling team is worthless. two mid-late 1st round guys aren't even worth as much to me as a free agent signing. you should know. otto porter still isn't as good as ariza. oubre won't be either.
By DY_nasty Go To Postbecause we came from signing walter fuckin hermann and letting larry brown burn the city to actually having some shit go right
hell, how fucked would your team be if you didn't get a #1 pick?
all the way the fucked, which is why I'm a proponent of tanking
By DY_nasty Go To Posthow can you trust YOUR fo?
it's well documented that I don't lol
By DY_nasty Go To Posta late 1st round pick to a middling team is worthless. two mid-late 1st round guys aren't even worth as much to me as a free agent signing. you should know. otto porter still isn't as good as ariza. oubre won't be either.
porter averaged 10 and 8 in the playoffs in his second year on good percentages with good defense--tell me how ariza was doing his second year in the league in comparison
your oubre comment has nothing behind it
By DY_nasty Go To PostDude, you were the one saying getting Okafor and Ariza was a good move in the first place.
It was never a good move. Your FO is short-sighted and dumb. All a team has to do is NOT commit to tanking to be in the playoff discussion in the East. That's all. If your team isn't better than the Knicks, it isn't worth talking about as a successful team.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=51929409
please tell me how us deciding not to tank and adding talent was a bad move when your team is literally TRADING lottery picks for 1 year rentals
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postall the way the fucked, which is why I'm a proponent of tankingAriza was drafted as a baby. Much like Oubre. You know what you get from a guy like that and he left a clearly defined role for Porter to fill too - which he barely could when wasn't playing like Beal's cry-car valet. Best thing he did when it mattered in the playoffs was provide Pierce some quality time on the bench. Dude is non-factor and his defense isn't even as good as Singleton's. On top of that.... where was he drafted at again? I better not here shit about coming at Z-Rex this year after this pathetic cape showing you putting on for Porter just now. scust
it's well documented that I don't lol
porter averaged 10 and 8 in the playoffs in his second year on good percentages with good defense–tell me how ariza was doing his second year in the league in comparison
your oubre comment has nothing behind it
By Moris Go To PostCharlotte making bonafide treadmill movesyeah, we should've traded our young PF for cousins when we had the chance
oh wait, that was your team
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postlawlwho are you stunting for right now lol
10ppg, 8rpg, 2 apg, 1 spg from a 2nd year player in the post season is nothing yall
you didn't even like porter until THIS YEAR - and you still say he's a weakminded chump
By DY_nasty Go To PostAriza was drafted as a baby. Much like Oubre. You know what you get from a guy like that and he left a clearly defined role for Porter to fill too - which he barely could when wasn't playing like Beal's cry-car valet. Best thing he did when it mattered in the playoffs was provide Pierce some quality time on the bench. Dude is non-factor and his defense isn't even as good as Singleton's. On top of that…. where was he drafted at again? I better not here shit about coming at Z-Rex this year after this pathetic cape showing you putting on for Porter just now. scust
yeah, we should've traded our young PF for cousins when we had the chance
oh wait, that was your team
It would took Clarkson, the #2 and Randle along with future picks. We can get the 11th seed just fine without gutting our roster and mortgaging our future.
It was your squad that gave up on their young PF and only SG for a one year rental of a roster redundancy cause it's their time now. Their time to get that 8th seed perhaps maybe.
If Portland liked Noah so much they wouldn't have signed Ed fucking Davis right after getting him.
I like how all these dysfunctional orgs projected this discontent at me right now. Lakers whole roster playing Where in The World is Kobe Bryant? and Phaze just lost his head coach to the Clippers.
Nobody tell Samurai that the Kings fired him.
I like how all these dysfunctional orgs projected this discontent at me right now. Lakers whole roster playing Where in The World is Kobe Bryant? and Phaze just lost his head coach to the Clippers.
Nobody tell Samurai that the Kings fired him.
It wasn't about acquiring Noah, it was about shedding Batum's contract and getting some value in return while he still had it.
By diehard Go To PostTowns already played for the Dominican Republic he cant play for Team USA.
Rolo and not Favors is weird too.
All you really NEED is Kyrie/Kawhi/AD
The rest of the roster could be a mix of good and young players - dudes like Favors, Towns, Klay definitely fit. ROLO basically fits the Chandler role from previous teams. Good solid defender, high IQ, finish around the basket, decent FT shooter.
Do you guys even realize that following the 2002til2006 debacle, Team USA understood they had to be a team and not a collection of players? It's a team sports. Coach K and the staff decided to have more continuity. Euro teams play together all the time, you have to think of how players are together, not just on paper, but also how used to playing together they are. Stop just bringing up weird assembles that have no history.