By IWMTB19 Go To PostLike 15% of second round picks turn out to be anything, if you're drafting for need over talent in the second round, you're already dead. It makes zero sense.
I think Clarkson was rated on par with Early, but seriously, if you pass on talent for need in the second-round, you're going to be scrapping the bottom of the barrel in terms of talent to the point where your guy is almost a certain bust.
Very rarely are the drafts deep enough where that 15% is easily identifiable. If so, then the first 10 picks of the second round would routinely lead to 75-80% solid nba players. That's not the case. So suggesting you should pick "talent" is absurd because you can't assess with any consistency who the talented ones are.
You follow mock drafts, show me an unchanged one that's consistently nailed the 2nd round over the last ten years.
So if you've only got a 15% chance of picking an impact player and the talent is spread thin, why take your 7th guard instead of your 2nd SF?
I just did a quick search of the 2010-2012 drafts. The first 10 picks of the second round averaged about 3 solid picks each year.
like no one knows what they're doing with any consistency.
Imma go and take Tanguy Ngombo to fill my need at backup SF.
And who in the world expected these Knicks guards to be part of the team in the future? Because, you know, future years are the only years wher draft picks contribute wins to their teams.
By IWMTB19 Go To PostImma go and take Tanguy Ngombo to fill my need at backup SF.
And who in the world expected these Knicks guards to be part of the team in the future? Because, you know, future years are the only years wher draft picks contribute wins to their teams.
You do know that your FO drafted Exum ahead of Clarkson right? That's a hell of a lot more unforgivable than drafting early ahead of Clarkson.
They expected Calderon to lead the way for a few years. With Shump and tHD and Larkin backing up. I think their focus was always on building the front court, the triangle doesn't need prolific PG's - just heady ones that can shoot.
By rodeoclown Go To Post There's literally not a single GM that wouldn't have taken Exum ahead of Clarkson.
And there's also not a single GM that would think Clarkson would contend for rookie of the month. So why is NY getting flack? Can't use that argument both ways.
By Vahagn Go To PostAnd there's also not a single GM that would think Clarkson would contend for rookie of the month. So why is NY getting flack? Can't use that argument both ways.
Oh, I don't care about the Knicks. The rest of the NBA missed on Clarkson, too.
All of ESPN's scouts literally compared Exum to Michael Jordan or Kobe. It's been a devastating several months.
I'm not even arguing about Clarkson pick or the Knicks or whatever, I'm just arguing against the absolutely terrible philosophy of not drafting best talent in a round where you're desperately hoping to get a 16 minute a game guy. It's a terrible idea and an idea I'm sure even Phil doesn't subscribe to.
Some poor schmuck gets the Kobe comparison every draft. So far Harrison Barnes is the best of the bunch - should tell people to stop making that comparison.
*lacks aggressiveness or desire to attack the basket*
That's some Kobe/Jordan right there
Exum was compared to Kobe because of interviews and shit. That should have told us everything but the thing about the draft ...especially the top 8 or so...is that every little positive thing is magnified because that is all the fanbase has. Embiid being a goober would normally scare me but nope...it just means he has a personality that some stars have...right? riight? pls.
Hope is all we have
When it comes to judging athleticism, you really really really need to see guys play against college fuck ball defenses. You think Exum would have been skating around guys in college? Fuck no. His timid three point ways would have been exposed. And we have literally no idea what Mudiay can do now, because he's not playing against talent thats worth any fucks at all.
That's why I wouldn't take Mudiay until the late 1st. Because there's too many guys that you have enough solid intel on in a really good draft to be grasping based on....what, as it concerns Mudiay.
Not talking anyshit about Mudiay.
we need a PG. He's a project on top of a project. he will be on the board in our range more than likely.
Too easy to get hit by troll karma.
You can get Knight tier guys pretty easily in free agency these days. Unless the PG you're looking at seems like a can't miss all-star, I'd look elsewhere.
But I think Hinkie traded MCW because he knows that. I really don't see him going after Mudiay. I think he'd look to trade down or just make a trade if he was stuck with him as "BPA".
By DY_nasty Go To Post Mudiay is some kinda ass... to not light up China is wtf
Rubio wasn't lighting up Spain and Jennings wasn't lighting up overseas either.
i don't know shit about mudlay. But I just think assessing a players skill level is more important than all that. Exum had no really developed offensive skills. That much was apparent to me right away.
You can never really guess at a players IQ or their ability to adapt or how quickly they lose confidence in themselves. But skill level should be pretty apparent.
That's the thing with these Kobe comparisons. Kobe's skill level in 96 would make Jabari Parker look like MKG
By Vahagn Go To PostNone of that was known in June. Larkin was promising, Clarkson is a combo guard, and they had a logjam at the 1 and 2. No reason to waste a late first round draft pick on your 6th or 7th guard when you have no backup SF's
I know you didn't follow The Knicks til Phil showed up so I'll give you a pass. Everyone knew the FO didn't like Shump and it was known that Phil's culture building was gonna involve getting rid of JR.
Larkin was trash filler to make the Chandler/Felton ship out possible, he was shooting below .400/scoring less than 3 ppg in 10 mpg on 3 FGA. He most definitely was not being factored into NY's future.
NY had 2 long term guys on draft night, Jose and THJ, picking a guard would have made perfect sense. That's made even more evident when they signed an undrafted guard in Langston Galloway.
It's unfair for Isola to single out NY (even if its the team he covers 90% of the time) for passing on Clarkson when most of the NBA passed on him, not because they were set at the 1 and 2 spots.
By Vahagn Go To PostRubio wasn't lighting up Spain and Jennings wasn't lighting up overseas either.
neither of those pg's are good imo
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postneither of those pg's are good imo
Ricky is awesome.
As far as who I want out this draft: Towns >>> Russell >>> Okafor>>Mudiay
So that means we'll end up with Justise Winslow or Cauley-Stein=|
But last year I wanted Exum or Smart.....so who the fuck knows.
I think Towns and Russell are on the same level and they're the clear top two in this draft. If the Wolves can come away with either, that's a wonderful draft.
Again I'd be ok with falling to 5 becauseI really like Henojza and now Winslow and I feel like if the Heat don't die, we could get a good PG with that pick anyway.
I actually don't want the first pick (or the second really) because you also cannot pass on Towns or to an extent Okafor but neither fits well with Embiid and only Towns fits with Noel.
By Vahagn Go To PostRubio wasn't lighting up Spain and Jennings wasn't lighting up overseas either.
i don't know shit about mudlay. But I just think assessing a players skill level is more important than all that. Exum had no really developed offensive skills. That much was apparent to me right away.
You can never really guess at a players IQ or their ability to adapt or how quickly they lose confidence in themselves. But skill level should be pretty apparent.
That's the thing with these Kobe comparisons. Kobe's skill level in 96 would make Jabari Parker look like MKG
Euroleague >>>>>>>>>>> China
That's what's so bad about it
Trying to convince myself WCS wouldn't be so bad with theese scout videos....got to this part
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Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate
By rodeoclown Go To PostRicky is awesome.
you're probably a little too attached to your guys..both pek and rubio are guys you can and should upgrade from
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postyou're probably a little too attached to your guys..both pek and rubio are guys you can and should upgrade from
I mean, yeah, if we can get Chris Paul, sure, but there's not that many guys that would be an upgrade from Rubio.
By Vahagn Go To PostSome poor schmuck gets the Kobe comparison every draft. So far Harrison Barnes is the best of the bunch - should tell people to stop making that comparison.
*lacks aggressiveness or desire to attack the basket*
That's some Kobe/Jordan right there
Oladipo?
WCS looks like lil Tyson Chandler or early year Deandre Jordan, who doesn't only play to his strengths yet. I'd be ok with that tbh, if we're rolling with Randle we're gonna need a Defense first type like that.
Combing through last year's pre-season and October threads......http://slaent.com/thread/62588/page/13/post/63621/">much gold
We don't get the pick if we fall to 5.
Depending on who goes in front of LA in the lotto and where we land, it's Towns/Okafor/Russell/Mudiay/WCS maybe Winslow
LA was high on Mudiay/Okafor early this season but that was like in October, they've been dead silent since then.
edit: you're right its top 5 protected.
By Moris Go To Post we don't get the pick if we fall to 5.
Yeah you do, it has to fall to 6 I thought.
If LA misses out on Towns/Okafor and then Mudiay and Russ are taken off the board, LA will go for WCS, they'll take the chance on the big man i think.
At the 4 spot, LA will end up with either Russell or Mudiay I think, worst case scenario LA losses the pick but the worst case scenario where LA keeps the pick is Mudiay or Russell....I'm kewl with that.
By rodeoclown Go To PostOh, I don't care about the Knicks. The rest of the NBA missed on Clarkson, too.
But, man, remember the Exum hype? I think Simmons compared him to Kobe.
I remember when Dan Dickau was being compared to John Stockton.
By Moris Go To PostWCS looks like lil Tyson Chandler or early year Deandre Jordan, who doesn't only play to his strengths yet. I'd be ok with that tbh, if we're rolling with Randle we're gonna need a Defense first type like that.
Ehh, Jordan is not that great of a defender but is the best rebounder in the league other than Drummond and WCS is pretty dissimilar in those regards. WCS is really only that comparable to... Nerlens Noel? But Noel is a lot more skilled and a better rebounder. But WCS is still a really good prospect. He's up there with Noel for the quickest center with the most pick-and-roll defense potential in decades.
By DY_nasty Go To Post Mudiay is some kinda ass... to not light up China is wtf
Hey that's not fair he lit up the cba plenty of times, I think he had a triple double with like 29 points his second game. He was just inconsistent, which us to be expected from an 18 year old kid playing with grown men (in Fucking China). Dude also came back from a two month hiatus in the semi finals with his team down 2-0 and basically won game 3 on his own. He hasn't done anything to hurt his stock out there.
