By DY_nasty Go To Posti wish mj would give isiah a job here :(
dy finally broke yall
Wouldn't mind if we kept beasley around if he continues to make an effort on things like defense and passing like he did during his stretch this time around. maybe he finally gets that he's fucking garbage and can play within himself.
realgm is so delusional, Heat fans think we can get Wes Matthews lmao.
It's all about Whiteside next season though.
realgm is so delusional, Heat fans think we can get Wes Matthews lmao.
It's all about Whiteside next season though.
Hezonja looks good--hard as fuck to know what shooters will do at the next level though. Beal looks like ass as a shooter at Florida and now he hits the three like its nothing. One of the better shooters I ever saw was Sauce Castillo and that dude aint shit right now
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostHezonja looks good–hard as fuck to know what shooters will do at the next level though. Beal looks like ass as a shooter at Florida and now he hits the three like its nothing. One of the better shooters I ever saw was Sauce Castillo and that dude aint shit right nowThe Kings destroyed the confidence of two of the best shooters in recent college history.
Jimmer is just not very good. Not sure if you can blame Sac for that, I think its more likely that he's another talented college player that couldn't transition to the NBA.
He's terrible at creating space against NBA defenders and can't D up opposing players either. He's Steve Novak 2.0 at this point if he can find a team in need of that kind of role player.
He's terrible at creating space against NBA defenders and can't D up opposing players either. He's Steve Novak 2.0 at this point if he can find a team in need of that kind of role player.
That’s going too far. But I understand why some in Europe see that. [Hezonja] has that killer instinct that Kobe has. He wants to destroy you out there. It’s one of the things I love about him.
Fucking obligatory Chad Ford Kobe comparison.
Sigh - the Dream was good while it lasted. Abort mission guys.
If nothing else, Hezonja can shoot and that usually translates pretty well.
I just tend to refrain from judging Euroleague dudes. I had to watch a fair amount of Rubio at Barcelona before I thought, yes, I'm confident he can play in the NBA, and I'm not doing that for anybody else.
I just tend to refrain from judging Euroleague dudes. I had to watch a fair amount of Rubio at Barcelona before I thought, yes, I'm confident he can play in the NBA, and I'm not doing that for anybody else.
By Moris Go To PostYou can't make your judgement off a DE Pros video. Watch his cons video too
His con's is "he makes bad decisions". "attitude"
Dude has elite athleticism, the ability to shoot, a great SF/SG body, and plays PG for his club. Which means he can be a decent 3rd PnR option.
The biggest skill set problem I see is his handling. No creativity. From a physical skill set standpoint, he's more polished than practically everyone else at that size.
By Moris Go To PostI actually like Hezonja, would take him over Mudiay in a heartbeat too.I would, too, but a lot of that is Mudiay's totally broken jump shot. I'll take my chance on the good shooter.
By Moris Go To PostWhat could you have against LA? They're not in your conference, never met in the Finals.Just good old fashioned jealously induced hatin'
I don't get it fam.
I'd rather have Hezonja than Russell
of course that means I'll get Dekker but whatever, my soul is wind
of course that means I'll get Dekker but whatever, my soul is wind
I think the biggest thing, about shooters failing to convert from college to NBA is something Moris said, they can't create the same space.
Without that space they can't get their shot off.
Korver has learned how to move without the ball, and to be a catch and shoot guy. So despite his (by NBA Standards) mediocre athleticism, dude gets open often enough.
Lots of these guys never learn that and transition poorly as a result.
Without that space they can't get their shot off.
Korver has learned how to move without the ball, and to be a catch and shoot guy. So despite his (by NBA Standards) mediocre athleticism, dude gets open often enough.
Lots of these guys never learn that and transition poorly as a result.
By giririsss Go To PostI think the biggest thing, about shooters failing to convert from college to NBA is something Moris said, they can't create the same space.That was Adam Morrison's biggest problem. Dude couldn't create space despite his length, needed to have the ball in his hands, and had zero idea of how to contribute to the game outside of that. Part of the reason why I wanted no part of McBuckets - dude had an entire offense designed for him. That really just doesn't help a guy when its done on preference than out of necessity. It makes guys dumb. Evan Turner and McDermott both got to pound the fuck out of the ball or have entire sequences of sets ran just to get them going in college. Just puts a guy incredibly far behind the curve when it comes to transitioning into the NBA unless you're a generational talent.
Without that space they can't get their shot off.
Korver has learned how to move without the ball, and to be a catch and shoot guy. So despite his (by NBA Standards) mediocre athleticism, dude gets open often enough.
Lots of these guys never learn that and transition poorly as a result.
Jimmer... man, I think he could've actually found a legit role in the NBA but Sacramento just wasn't the place for that.
Sacramento isn't the place for anyone. Only organization that up there with Sac are Cavs. Excluding the drafts when they luck up into Bron and Kyrie, their picks been straight poop. Cavs team by now should be a bundle of young talent instead temp stars.
By KumaJG Go To PostSacramento isn't the place for anyone. Only organization that up there with Sac are Cavs. Excluding the drafts when they luck up into Bron and Kyrie, their picks been straight poop. Cavs team by now should be a bundle of young talent instead temp stars.Cavs if they didn't fuck all their picks over the last 5 years:
Kyrie
Oladipo
Wiggins
Kawahi
Drummond.
Some of that's easy in retrospect though. Some isn't.
It's weird that outside of Towns (who I think would force a trade of one of our bigs), I may like Winslow more than the other presumed 3 of the top 4 guys.
Okafor doesn't work with either big (I do think he gets too much shit about his flaws tho...dem hands)
Mudiay is an unknown, and that jumper...we just traded a dude for that and we may have Mudiay on the roster in Wroten in a sense.
Russell, I like the idea of rather than what I saw. He can shoot and all but man, if he can't get by dudes that kills his ceiling by a lot.
Winslow doesn't seem to have anything but maybe his lack of superstar potential holding him back to me. People compare him to MKG...I fucking love MKG. MKG with a better jumper is pretty awesome, no?
But I can already see Kristaps future, he stays overseas because fuck me, and my soul visits pluto.
(I also like Mario, if only because people say he is an asshole...Thats pretty cool for your wing to have. RealGM talked me into believing too much in Oubre so if Hinkie hates me, expect me to defend that hard).
Okafor doesn't work with either big (I do think he gets too much shit about his flaws tho...dem hands)
Mudiay is an unknown, and that jumper...we just traded a dude for that and we may have Mudiay on the roster in Wroten in a sense.
Russell, I like the idea of rather than what I saw. He can shoot and all but man, if he can't get by dudes that kills his ceiling by a lot.
Winslow doesn't seem to have anything but maybe his lack of superstar potential holding him back to me. People compare him to MKG...I fucking love MKG. MKG with a better jumper is pretty awesome, no?
But I can already see Kristaps future, he stays overseas because fuck me, and my soul visits pluto.
(I also like Mario, if only because people say he is an asshole...Thats pretty cool for your wing to have. RealGM talked me into believing too much in Oubre so if Hinkie hates me, expect me to defend that hard).
Cousins somehow hulked his way through the Sac bullshit to become a top 10 player. However, none of the Kings picks have really developed once they left the team. TRobb is still nowhere near what people hoped. Jimmer still sucks. Tyreke is still mostly the same player he was as a rookie.
McLemore actually improved this year, but is still too inconsistent. He was rising with Malone, fell back with Corbin, then had a hot streak with Karl and then was a non-factor towards the end of the season. So it could be all the coaching changes. Don't know.
McLemore actually improved this year, but is still too inconsistent. He was rising with Malone, fell back with Corbin, then had a hot streak with Karl and then was a non-factor towards the end of the season. So it could be all the coaching changes. Don't know.
Even if you don't use retrospect and go by say Draftexpress' draft order and don't reach like they did.
Kyrie
Oladipo
Wiggins
Thomas Robsinson (gonna take an L sooner or later)
Noel
Kyrie
Oladipo
Wiggins
Thomas Robsinson (gonna take an L sooner or later)
Noel
By etiolation Go To PostCousins somehow hulked his way through the Sac bullshit to become a top 10 player. However, none of the Kings picks have really developed once they left the team. TRobb is still nowhere near what people hoped. Jimmer still sucks. Tyreke is still mostly the same player he was as a rookie.Thats sort of it though, if you don't develop in your first 2 - 4 seasons, it's hard to ever turn that corner.
McLemore actually improved this year, but is still too inconsistent. He was rising with Malone, fell back with Corbin, then had a hot streak with Karl and then was a non-factor towards the end of the season. So it could be all the coaching changes. Don't know.
So those guys who could have developed, never did. Jimmer is with the bucks atm, yeah? He's lucky that Kidd seems like he's one of the few coaches that doesn't mind teaching even to older guys.
Reke is an all star talent that's just amazing he didn't turn into something better than what he is now. But when you go through so much fuckery to start your career, it's hard to shake off. Some of it is self inflicted, some not.
That organisation needs to stop fighting it's players. You look at when they had someone competent in Malone, McLemore and DMC looked really good. There was a plan. Players were held accountable. They looked like they had it together. You even got the feeling Stauskas was starting to show signs of developing.
Brad was asked if he had thought about playing for Billy Donovan in the nba over the years
Translation from Brad speak was lol fuck no
# keikaku
Translation from Brad speak was lol fuck no
# keikaku
By KumaJG Go To PostCavs could at the very least have a solid core of Oladipo, Drummond and Kyrie.shit ain't fair breh
you don't see charlotte drafting DoA "wtf were you thinking" busts in the lottery like dion waiters... shit, our biggest reach in the past few years was biyombo as a project player and he fucking outplayed jefferson last year.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostBrad was asked if he had thought about playing for Billy Donovan in the nba over the yearsLol. Trying to make yourself feel better after getting the Wall injury news I see.
Translation from Brad speak was lol fuck no
# keikaku
By DY_nasty Go To Postshit ain't fair brehYou just need a generational talent to be born in Charlotte.
you don't see charlotte drafting DoA "wtf were you thinking" busts in the lottery like dion waiters… shit, our biggest reach in the past few years was biyombo as a project player and he fucking outplayed jefferson last year.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostAnthony Davis with the hornets hat….thengoing to the wrong hornets
Fuck man
DY ain't been the same.
By DY_nasty Go To Postshit ain't fair breh
you don't see charlotte drafting DoA "wtf were you thinking" busts in the lottery like dion waiters… shit, our biggest reach in the past few years was biyombo as a project player and he fucking outplayed jefferson last year.
I hated that zeller pick..
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostI hated that zeller pick..he ain't even bad tho. I still think Noel is dangerous as hell. i had to sit through shaun livingston's 'rehabilitation tour', i couldn't take a top 5 pick doing that.
shit, everyone talks about Kemba and Al missing games...
look at our record without Zeller and MKG.
By psychintellect Go To PostI was gonna say something about the Zrex pick put then I looked at the rest of the draft.Thats my problem with a lot of Charlottes picks. There's too many that you can describe as "not horrible". Which isn't a good standard.
By giririsss Go To PostThats my problem with a lot of Charlottes picks. There's too many that you can describe as "not horrible". Which isn't a good standard.i mean what are they supposed to do? swing for the fences and trade down for tyrus thomas? there's solid reasoning behind each and every one of their picks in the past few years outside of Ajinca (and that was Larry Brown's weekend fetish for European wingspan - dude was on record comparing that bum to KG lmao). I ain't even mad at our drafting. Recently its been our coach deliberately ruining guys for some archaic 80s + 3 offense but that's something else entirely.
You really can't look at Charlotte's drafting without hindsight and be like "they fukked up"
Charlotte had bad luck, they sucked hard at the wrong time.
No telling who is doing that now or is gonna do that soon. But there will always be a couple teams who tank at the absolute wrong time.
No telling who is doing that now or is gonna do that soon. But there will always be a couple teams who tank at the absolute wrong time.
By DY_nasty Go To Posti mean what are they supposed to do? swing for the fences and trade down for tyrus thomas? there's solid reasoning behind each and every one of their picks in the past few years outside of Ajinca (and that was Larry Brown's weekend fetish for European wingspan - dude was on record comparing that bum to KG lmao). I ain't even mad at our drafting. Recently its been our coach deliberately ruining guys for some archaic 80s + 3 offense but that's something else entirely.Some of it's regime change. Some of its a young team with growing pains. Some of it's shitty coaching. But if you're using the latter, then that's also on the front office.
You really can't look at Charlotte's drafting without hindsight and be like "they fukked up"
But everything that has been said about the Cavs can be said about CHA for the most part.
Vonleh is... well, he's not getting a lot of burn. But he's not demanding it either... and when you consider who is ahead of him thats not good.
Zeller looks better than his numbers show. He could be solid.
MKG doesn't look like he'll ever be a first or second option. He's tony allen / thabo on a contending team. i.e. about the 4th of 5th opion. He could be the new Tyrus, where people just talk about his potential his whole career.
Biyombo I didn't mind the project pick. But he's Kendrick Perkins. I'm not sure if thats a diss or a compliment, nor to whom.
Then there's kemba and hendo.
You can look back and say that a lot of those picks "aren't horrible". But that's not a great standard. They've whiffed a lot. And they've had a lot of chances. Particularly for a team that can take Best Player Available. There's really no spot on the roster that couldn't use an upgrade. There are some that need an upgrade more than others... but they could all use an upgrade.
2004 - #2 Emeka missed on Dwight
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You can maybe say they fucked up by taking DJ instead of Bropez but that foot is scary. Kemba ahead of Klay looks bad now, but he went 11th for a reason.
What has 14 balls and fucks Charlotte? The NBA lottery
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Ben Gordon, Shaun Livingston, Devin Harris, Josh Childress, Loul Deng, Rafael Araujo2005 - #5 Felton missed on DWill, Bogut and CP3
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Martell Webster, Charlie V, Channing Frye, Ike Diogu, Andrew Bynum2006 - #3 Morrison missed Aldridge
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Tyrus Thomas, Shelden Williams, Brandon Roy, Randy Foye, Rudy Gay2008 - #8 DJ Augustin missed on KLove, YNB and DRose
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BRopez, Jerryd Bayless, Jason Thompson, Brandon Rush, Anthony Randolph2009 - #12 Gerald Henderson missed Steph Curry, James Harden, Rubio and Blake Griffin
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Tyler Hansbrough, Earl Clark, Austin Daye, James Johnson, Jrue Holiday2011 - #7 Biyombo, #9 Kemba Walker missed Kyrie Irving
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Jimmer, Klay Thompson, Alec Burks, the Morris twins2012 - #2 MKG missed Anthony Davis
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Beal, Waiters, TRob, Lillard, Harrison Barnes2013 - #4 Cody Zeller missed Oladipo
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Alex Len, Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore, Caldwell-Pope, Trey Burke
You can maybe say they fucked up by taking DJ instead of Bropez but that foot is scary. Kemba ahead of Klay looks bad now, but he went 11th for a reason.
What has 14 balls and fucks Charlotte? The NBA lottery
Listing guys that went ahead of them is just distracting from what went after, and the real misses. Drummond, Klay, Kawahi, etc.
in the 8 drafts listed, you've got 5, top 5 picks. another 2 top 10, and the worst is at 12.
The biggest injustice is that they've never got a 1'st.
But there's enough high picks there to put together more talent than currently exists.
in the 8 drafts listed, you've got 5, top 5 picks. another 2 top 10, and the worst is at 12.
The biggest injustice is that they've never got a 1'st.
But there's enough high picks there to put together more talent than currently exists.
They're not even whiffing though. Whiffing is trading up for McDermott and being let down or turning down trade offers for the right to draft Bargnani in a draft that screamed to trade down.
By DY_nasty Go To PostThey're not even whiffing though. Whiffing is trading up for McDermott and being let down or turning down trade offers for the right to draft Bargnani in a draft that screamed to trade down.They've whiffed on getting the return they should have, from all those picks. Which is whiffing. They're not out right picking busts. But that's not a compliment either.
There are others that are just as bad, but that's not a good validation.
By Moris Go To PostCharlotte had bad luck, they sucked hard at the wrong time.Craptors might blow it up if ownership allows it. They really should've tanked for Wiggins.
No telling who is doing that now or is gonna do that soon. But there will always be a couple teams who tank at the absolute wrong time.
Charlotte never reached, they took guys that most other teams would have took at the same spot.
I included the guys drafted ahead of their picks to show that the talent was off the board by the time Charlotte was on the clock.
Dwight was consensus #1, they missed out on CP3, Bogut and Dwill not because other teams reached and hit gold, they took who everyone would have taken. Cleveland regularly tried to outsmart the room and failed because of it, Charlotte got picks when having picks meant dick.
You can't fault them for taking MKG over Drummond. That's arguably still the right move.
Klay and Kawahi weren't projected to be as good as they are. Kawahi was seen as a super role player who would struggle scoring in the NBA and Klay was a shooter who was inconsistent, sometimes inefficient and didn't play defense.
I included the guys drafted ahead of their picks to show that the talent was off the board by the time Charlotte was on the clock.
Dwight was consensus #1, they missed out on CP3, Bogut and Dwill not because other teams reached and hit gold, they took who everyone would have taken. Cleveland regularly tried to outsmart the room and failed because of it, Charlotte got picks when having picks meant dick.
You can't fault them for taking MKG over Drummond. That's arguably still the right move.
Klay and Kawahi weren't projected to be as good as they are. Kawahi was seen as a super role player who would struggle scoring in the NBA and Klay was a shooter who was inconsistent, sometimes inefficient and didn't play defense.