https://theathletic.com/232558/2018/02/06/as-tensions-mount-the-distance-between-lebron-james-and-the-cavaliers-is-growing/
The root of the problems can be traced back to two key issues: David Griffin’s removal as general manager and Kyrie Irving’s subsequent trade to the Boston Celtics.
For the past seven months, the Cavs have been noticeably pivoting away from James’ recommendations. He was vocal both publicly and privately in wanting Griffin to return as GM. Instead, owner Dan Gilbert replaced him days before the draft with Koby Altman, the inexperienced 35-year-old who is widely regarded as not ready for the mammoth task in front of him.
“Bring him to camp,” James told the Cavs. He was confident he could repair whatever damage Irving felt was done to their relationship. But Irving made clear to Gilbert and the Cavaliers he wanted out of Cleveland because he did not want to play another minute with James, one source told The Athletic.
The deal was also completed without consulting James, one source with knowledge of the situation told The Athletic. Altman called James when it was essentially done and informed him of what was happening.
“It’s the best we can do,” Altman told James.
James and Gilbert have no relationship. Neither do James and Altman, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation told The Athletic. Whereas Griffin would consult with James and keep him informed of major roster decisions, that is no longer happening. James doesn’t trust this front office, and there is no communication now between management and star player.Dan Gilbert out here driving away the best player in the world.
By DY_nasty Go To PostLakers brehs, I've been trolling too long to remember if Mitch is good or bad
His last two major moves were signing Mozgov and Luol Deng. The last few seasons in LA his moves seemed to indicate that he was out of touch with modern basketball.
the weird thing is lebron not trying to facilitate a trade now--he's got to know its his best chance to put himself on a contender
the free agency thing is going go really really strangely for him
the free agency thing is going go really really strangely for him
By DY_nasty Go To PostLakers brehs, I've been trolling too long to remember if Mitch is good or badHes a master tradesman. His drafting history is average. I dont know who's decision it was to sign mozgov and deng, but that tainted his reputation a bit.
By DY_nasty Go To PostLakers brehs, I've been trolling too long to remember if Mitch is good or bad
Remember that one time the Lakers were a moribund franchise for half a decade and Luol Deng and Tomofey Mozgov multi-year mega contracts were the quick fix solutions and all their top of the lotto draft picks sucked and ownership were like "fuck it, even Magic Johnson and Lavar Ball have got to be better than this"?
By DY_nasty Go To PostLakers brehs, I've been trolling too long to remember if Mitch is good or bad
He was good at one point, but his most recent moves were not his best. I think he has some Phil in him, thinks he's the smartest dude in the room and is always 2 steps ahead. That's how you end up with Mozgawd and the corpse of Luol Deng on your team.
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postthe weird thing is lebron not trying to facilitate a trade now–he's got to know its his best chance to put himself on a contenderThis is all his way of leaving this time not as the bad guy. He is putting all of this on Gilbert this time out.
the free agency thing is going go really really strangely for him
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postthe weird thing is lebron not trying to facilitate a trade now–he's got to know its his best chance to put himself on a contender
the free agency thing is going go really really strangely for him
Because legacy matters a ton to him and bailing on his hometown team mid-season just because they're the 3rd seed would undo a lot of the good will he got back for his brand by returning there in the first place. Plus, San Antonio and Houston are the only real options anyway.
By DY_nasty Go To PostOkay, like BEFORE he gave Deng and Mozgov billionsHe assembled a fantastic scouting team and over-performed draft expectations often.
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By DY_nasty Go To PostLakers brehs, I've been trolling too long to remember if Mitch is good or bad
Remember when we got Dwight ... ohhh the memes were grand
By DY_nasty Go To PostOkay, like BEFORE he gave Deng and Mozgov billions
Before that he signed Brandon Bass to a two year deal with a player option iirc
Signed Lou Williams to multi-year deal
traded a 2nd rounder and TPE for Roy Hibbert
year before that he let Kent Bazemore walk to only offer him a giant contract the next year in free agency and signed Nick Young to a multi year deal for no apparent reason. He followed that up by signing Ed Davis and Wesley Johnson.
His last strong move was getting Jeremey Lin and picks for free cause Houston was chasing Bosh at the time I think. That was July of 2014.
By Kabro Go To Post
Am I reading this wrong or are the Heat dumping two guys who can actually play for a thief?
By Kibner Go To PostHe assembled a fantastic scouting team and over-performed draft expectations often
He frequently traded away his picks for vets. Here is every first round pick he made in his last 10 years in LA:
Andrew Bynum (10th)
Jordan Farmar (26th)
Javaris Crittenton (19th)
Toney Douglas (29th)
Julius Randle (2nd)
D'Angelo Russell (2nd)
Brandon Ingram (2nd)
Not really seeing the over-performance. If anything he whiffed every time he was in the lotto. He did get a couple of journeyman role players in the second round, but that's not where Charlotte needs to hit big.
By Moris Go To Post
Magic has gotta shut up
damn the league out to get us
also julius randle was like 6th or 7th pick not 2nd
If the Heat get Carroll I want them so bad in the playoffs. The boos will rattle the heavens.
Don't forget signing both Yi Jianlan and Metta World Peace...in the year 2016 CE.
By Moris Go To PostBefore that he signed Brandon Bass to a two year deal with a player option iirc
Signed Lou Williams to multi-year deal
traded a 2nd rounder and TPE for Roy Hibbert
year before that he let Kent Bazemore walk to only offer him a giant contract the next year in free agency and signed Nick Young to a multi year deal for no apparent reason. He followed that up by signing Ed Davis and Wesley Johnson.
His last strong move was getting Jeremey Lin and picks for free cause Houston was chasing Bosh at the time I think. That was July of 2014.
Don't forget signing both Yi Jianlan and Metta World Peace...in the year 2016 CE.
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostMitch out here drafting murderers.lol i completely forgot about this
Just say no, Mike. We still haven't gotten over Rae Carruth.
Crittenton was good too :/
All that being said, Kibner's not entirely wrong. Mitch did get Marc Gasol in the 2nd round, I forgot that. If he hadn't been in a position to trade him and Eric Gordon in win-now moves, it's interesting to think what LA would have looked like the last few years.
With all his moves taken into account he looks pretty mediocre; the accusations that the game passed him by seemed pretty accurate. On the other hand he won multiple championships - granted by inheriting Kobe & Shaq, but he still built those teams around them, they still count.
I'm sitting here trying to think who's a better GM - Mitch or alternate universe Lakers Bryan Colangelo?
With all his moves taken into account he looks pretty mediocre; the accusations that the game passed him by seemed pretty accurate. On the other hand he won multiple championships - granted by inheriting Kobe & Shaq, but he still built those teams around them, they still count.
I'm sitting here trying to think who's a better GM - Mitch or alternate universe Lakers Bryan Colangelo?
By DY_nasty Go To Postlol i completely forgot about thisHe joined a gang after he was drafted. lmao
Crittenton was good too :/
By Kibner Go To PostHe joined a gang after he was drafted. lmao
With all the guys who flash signs during games, gang involvement in the NBA is a huge scandal waiting to break. It's amazing they keep it as quiet as they do.
By Randolph Freelander Go To PostThose were solid roster moves.Was signing two PGs who can't play D and trading for a third solid roster moves?
By Dark PhaZe Go To Postthe weird thing is lebron not trying to facilitate a trade now–he's got to know its his best chance to put himself on a contenderLeBron James doesn't care about the teams he leaves. He didn't care about Cleveland when he left, and once lost the Miami power struggle to Riley/saw the condition of Wade he was ghost. He's all been about himself and putting him on a situation where he doesn't have to be the man yet controls the O.
the free agency thing is going go really really strangely for him
By livefromkyoto Go To Post
LeBron James, tank commander
By livefromkyoto Go To PostWith all the guys who flash signs during games, gang involvement in the NBA is a huge scandal waiting to break. It's amazing they keep it as quiet as they do.
i think people just accept it as a part of having a league made up of primarily poor black kids. most of em been "in" gangs since they were kids
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By rodeoclown Go To PostDan Gilbert out here driving away the best player in the world.He ain't driving away shit. LeBron has done this to Cleveland before, why discuss moves with him when he won't commit to staying? Have people forgot the first time he did this to Gilbert in "The Decision"? Waive that no-trade or sign an extension now Bron.
By The Frankman Go To PostIn fairness… he's done this to Cleveland before. Why discuss moves with him when he won't commit to staying? Have people forgot the first time he did this to Gilbert?they were good then
By DY_nasty Go To Postthey were good thenLook at this hot shit after he left.. It's a miracle that team went 19-63. Real talk, Cavs should be much better after he leaves now than back then. They'll have Love, TT, and a decent draft pick
EDIT: Luke Hangaraody? Samardo Samuels?
By The Frankman Go To PostLook at this hot shit after he left.. It's a miracle that team went 19-63. Real talk, Cavs should be much better after he leaves now than back then. They'll have Love, TT, and a decent draft pickbut they were good lol
EDIT: Luke Hangaraody? Samardo Samuels?
By DY_nasty Go To Postbut they were good lol... wait, they were good as they were good the season before? Well yeah they lost the the Celtics in the Semis that year. If your argument is he's leaving because they ain't shit now, that's bull because he's the reason the roster is like it is, including Kyrie leaving. He got all his "guys" paid regardless of fit/roster construction, and he mad about it now?
LBJ refusing to Commit has backfired.
He wanted to use it as a way to force the FO to make decisions that kept him there, because they'd always be under threat of him leaving if they don't stay competitive.
He didn't anticipate that it would affect other players and their choices too.
He wanted to use it as a way to force the FO to make decisions that kept him there, because they'd always be under threat of him leaving if they don't stay competitive.
He didn't anticipate that it would affect other players and their choices too.
By Kabro Go To PostIt was pelinka the first time.Pretty sure it was Magic on a talkshow once too
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By DY_nasty Go To Postdid phil ever get fined?yeah at least twice with the Knicks
By DY_nasty Go To Postdid phil ever get fined?Look at you doing background checks on available gms
By Omzz Go To PostLook at you doing background checks on available gmsMan, i'd love to see phil working with Jordan in charge of the hornets.
Shit would be hillarious.
By rodeoclown Go To Posthttps://theathletic.com/232558/2018/02/06/as-tensions-mount-the-distance-between-lebron-james-and-the-cavaliers-is-growing/Dan Gilbert is gonna be in the history books
Dan Gilbert out here driving away the best player in the world.
Who else can say they had one of the greatest players of his generation and ran him out of town twice.
By RobNBanks Go To PostDan Gilbert is gonna be in the history booksHe wrote a slave owner letter in comic sans and lbj still came back.
Who else can say they had one of the greatest players of his generation and ran him out of town twice.
By giririsss Go To PostMan, i'd love to see phil working with Jordan in charge of the hornets.like when MJ hired Doug Collins in Washington
Shit would be hillarious.
By giririsss Go To PostAddidas Cancelled Terry Roziers Contract for wearing Nikes to shoot around.the terry rozier does what he wants when he wants